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Extracting DMT in Australia.
    #6596410 - 02/22/07 02:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Hey all, this pet monkey of myn is planning on extracting DMT but has a few questions. Can acacia bark be used in replacement to the Mimosa in the marsofold tek? Or is the marsofold tek only made for the mimosa. he has found a guide on using acacia which he can use, but the marsofold tends to be generally accepted and largely used. he wonders if sodium hydrochloride, naptha/toluene available to the general public in australia? what sort of shops would he go about in finding these chemicals? thanks for anyone who can help me with his queries.

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6596471 - 02/22/07 03:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

a mate of mine wants to try something like this
i'll be interested in the replies :smile:

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6596480 - 02/22/07 04:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I suppose it should work, although I'm not sure what the marsolek tek is. the tek can peobably be used to extract dmt from any plant material.

make sure to get the acacia that contains dmt:smirk:

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6596486 - 02/22/07 04:19 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Any tek will work on acacia bark, I've never extracted anything but acacia for DMT.


Sodium hydroxide for a base: drain cleaner granules available in any supermarket.

Hydrochloric acid: any hardware or pool store.

citric acid can be used as a safe alternative to HCL and is available in the cake section of any supermarket.

Shellite for a non polar solvent: available in any supermarket.

Woolworths or safeway stock everything except the HCL.

Hope that helps.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #6596548 - 02/22/07 05:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i'm pretty sure napthia is paint thinners and dude i found a tec for acacia bark (im pretty sure, i'll go have a look)and i also know the approximate locations for the kind of acacias your after. What state are you in?


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #6596549 - 02/22/07 05:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

and also i don't think it is wise to use drano for sodium hydoxide as it also has aluminium and other shit in it


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #6597378 - 02/22/07 01:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

haha wow, thanks a heap guys this is really helpful! theres a tek for acacia bark on google search called soma's tek, theres another on drugs-forum in the dmt chemistry section. the one on drugs-forum seems to follow the same as the marsofold it just uses stuff more easily available to aus. im in nsw, i was planning on looking for acacia maidenii, but your help in finding any sort which is good would be great.

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6597524 - 02/22/07 02:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i do not know the locations of acacia maidenii in victoria or nsw, and also be careful when you go strip off all the bark when you find some because i think they are endangered.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #6598238 - 02/22/07 04:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

yeah incidentally the location my mate found these was at a farm in nimbin hehe :tongue:

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6598334 - 02/22/07 05:03 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Marsofold uses standard grocery store vinegar to acid-extract the DMT.

The naptha (use naptha, not toluene) should be with paint thinners at your hardware store.

You want to get 100% sodium hydroxide "crystal drain cleaner". Can be really hard to find, especially if Australia happens to have a meth problem. Roebic brand crystal drain cleaner is 100% NaOH and is available here in the USA and online. Just keep searching hardware stores, and all else fails, ebay. 

Make sure you freeze precipitate and not just evap the naptha when your done, then you can always re-crystallize. :smile:


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #6599735 - 02/22/07 09:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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sorry dude i only know the locations of acacia maidenii in victoria not nsw, and also be careful when you go strip off all the bark when you find some because i think they are endangered.




They're only endangered in Victoria where they were never widespread anyway. They are prolific in NSW.

PS: Shellite is naphta.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #6600448 - 02/23/07 12:51 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Where can you get them in Victoria?

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Linja]
    #6600702 - 02/23/07 02:16 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You don't want too, Acacia Obtusifolia is far more common in the local ranges.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #6600896 - 02/23/07 04:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

thanks again guys, once i get my bark (im going shopping for ingredients tomoro) i should be ready to do the extraction. i plan doing as little harm as i can to the trees, endangered or not.

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6600967 - 02/23/07 05:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Acacias are a short lifespan tree, seldom getting past 50 years of age, don't torture your conscience.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #6602531 - 02/23/07 03:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

haha ok. i have a few more questions, you guys have been super helpful so far thanks a heap.

i have made a list of all the ingredients i need now, thanks very much hankey your list helped me find what is most easily available. i am no chemist, this is my first time doing any sort of chemisty, white vinegar can be used instead of HCL? i will have a look at the HCL in pool shops, but im assuming vinegar will be alot cheaper, thus i will want to use it instead. is there any reason why i should use HCL instead of white vinegar? and for the wash at the end it says to use ice cold ammonia hydroxide, thats the only ingredient i am unsure about. where is this obtained from? some say a recrystaliisation should be used instead of an ammonia wash...

what is the best way to smoke the dmt? i have never smoked it before. I have heard in a glass crack pipe or in a glass meth pipe, then i've heard in a normal pipe with parsley or something? i have read the flame should not touch the dmt, so how far should it be held? should a normal bic style lighter be used or a torch lighter. i am not a big smoker. smoke ganja very occasionly, (less than once every 2 months), dont smoke tobbacco. so my lungs are probably not going to be good at taking harsh smoke, and i heard the parsley method makes it more standable. anyways, could someone experienced give me reccomendatiions on which method i should use to smoke it and how i do it? thanks again.

Edited by retrospect (02/23/07 07:15 PM)

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6604000 - 02/23/07 09:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

retrospect said:
haha ok. i have a few more questions, you guys have been super helpful so far thanks a heap.

i have made a list of all the ingredients i need now, thanks very much hankey your list helped me find what is most easily available. i am no chemist, this is my first time doing any sort of chemisty, white vinegar can be used instead of HCL? i will have a look at the HCL in pool shops, but im assuming vinegar will be alot cheaper, thus i will want to use it instead. is there any reason why i should use HCL instead of white vinegar? and for the wash at the end it says to use ice cold ammonia hydroxide, thats the only ingredient i am unsure about. where is this obtained from? some say a recrystaliisation should be used instead of an ammonia wash...

what is the best way to smoke the dmt? i have never smoked it before. I have heard in a glass crack pipe or in a glass meth pipe, then i've heard in a normal pipe with parsley or something? i have read the flame should not touch the dmt, so how far should it be held? should a normal bic style lighter be used or a torch lighter. i am not a big smoker. smoke ganja very occasionly, (less than once every 2 months), dont smoke tobbacco. so my lungs are probably not going to be good at taking harsh smoke, and i heard the parsley method makes it more standable. anyways, could someone experienced give me reccomendatiions on which method i should use to smoke it and how i do it? thanks again.




...good questions. I'm currently looking into doing this soon too! Although, I live in Western Australia and am not sure where to get hold of some Acacia Maidenii in my area, or something similar. Anyone got any reccomendations?!?! Theres no chance someone would be willing to post me a kg or two of the stuff is there??? Id repay with spore prints and some cash for the inconvenience.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: AkashaPrinciple]
    #6604233 - 02/23/07 10:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

akasha i was reading a document a little while back, i think it said something about a plant in WA which contains DMT, let me see if i can find it again.

ah here it is: http://diseyes.lycaeum.org/dmt/ausdmt.inf

it talks about Phalaris aquatica and says "P. aquatica is another major pasture grass in the southern
half of australia, and has become quite widely naturalised. Seeds
are again easily available.
This would be my plant of choice for obtaining DMT in WA."

hope that helps you!

oh and does anyone know a website i could use to help me identify acacia species im looking for?

Edited by retrospect (02/24/07 02:20 AM)

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6604600 - 02/24/07 01:26 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

oh ok awesome, thanks a HEAP for this man! Just found a guide to extract from P. Aquatica through google.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: AkashaPrinciple]
    #6604994 - 02/24/07 08:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"P. aquatica contain DMT, 5MeODMT and bufotenine, along with
up to 5% B-carboline tricyclics."


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: schmutzen]
    #6606250 - 02/24/07 05:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

definitely buy a crack pipe to some it out of you smoke it like ice. when i went to sydney i seen heaps of bong/tobbacco shops displaying them in the window. here in vic they are illegal to sell but shops still do, they just don't display them.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #6606316 - 02/24/07 05:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck with this. Be sure to let us know if you're successful. I'd like to try DMT some time in the future...


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6607330 - 02/25/07 12:17 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

retrospect said:
haha ok. i have a few more questions, you guys have been super helpful so far thanks a heap.

i have made a list of all the ingredients i need now, thanks very much hankey your list helped me find what is most easily available. i am no chemist, this is my first time doing any sort of chemisty, white vinegar can be used instead of HCL? i will have a look at the HCL in pool shops, but im assuming vinegar will be alot cheaper, thus i will want to use it instead. is there any reason why i should use HCL instead of white vinegar? and for the wash at the end it says to use ice cold ammonia hydroxide, thats the only ingredient i am unsure about. where is this obtained from? some say a recrystaliisation should be used instead of an ammonia wash...

what is the best way to smoke the dmt? i have never smoked it before. I have heard in a glass crack pipe or in a glass meth pipe, then i've heard in a normal pipe with parsley or something? i have read the flame should not touch the dmt, so how far should it be held? should a normal bic style lighter be used or a torch lighter. i am not a big smoker. smoke ganja very occasionly, (less than once every 2 months), dont smoke tobbacco. so my lungs are probably not going to be good at taking harsh smoke, and i heard the parsley method makes it more standable. anyways, could someone experienced give me reccomendatiions on which method i should use to smoke it and how i do it? thanks again.





Using Vinegar results in goo as the final product, use the citric acid or tarteric acid that I recommended, you'll find little plastic jars in the cake section of safeway/coles/generic supermarket.

Recrystalisation is not needed using acacia if you do the defatting steps properly. Defatting at least three times will remove all the negative components including Histamines which result in a harsh smoke.

Regarding smoking: I like to use a pipe or bong with either tobbaco, weed, or just ash as a buffer. You could use "stuff" such as oragano, catnip, gum leaves or poo! Just make sure you have a layer of "stuff" under and over the DMT, do as you said and avoid direct contact of the flame to the DMT. Take the biggest tokes you can and hold them in, keep smoking until reality is smashed away with a sledge hammer, small doses suck!


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #6607571 - 02/25/07 01:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

hankey thanks so much for your help, youve been super helpful its real great. in the teks i was looking at it says put 2X 750ml “Apple Cider Vinegar” bottles, or the marsofold says : 1-Quart White Vinegar
& 3-Quarts Water. how will i know how much citric acid to mix into the water. will i just add the citric acid till the water reachers a certain pH?

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: retrospect]
    #6607665 - 02/25/07 02:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Buy a PH meter,


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #6623145 - 03/01/07 04:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

any news on the extraction???


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Hanky]
    #9526159 - 01/01/09 01:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

hi im new around here so i apologize if this has been asked & answered i have a couple of Questions that i have not found in my searches so i thought id make my first post

is it necessary to de fat ? what im asking is there a very basic extraction method for someone who has not had any experience at extracting  ?

other thing they wanted to ask is if someone could easily identify a acacia from a photo if i uploaded one or a link to said pic ? as im unsure if the species easily available to my friend are ok for extraction

they think one looks to be Acacia brunioides & has small seedpods much like a bottle brush pod

thanks any info or links would be much appreciated for further study on this subject as it is very interesting & and settle a debate between us

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: 440ml]
    #9526198 - 01/01/09 01:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

if your using acacias, you will have to defat.
people using MHRB do not have to defat.

go to www.dmt-nexus.com to have all your acacias ID'd, and questions answered.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #9526499 - 01/01/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Look up a straight to base tek.They appear to be a little easier that an acid to base.

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: DNBplus]
    #9526684 - 01/01/09 08:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

thanks guys much appreciated, after a little research it looks like a Acacia aneura, or Mulga but i have not yet found any info on weather or not it could be used for extraction ?

Edited by 440ml (01/01/09 07:43 PM)

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: DNBplus]
    #9527762 - 01/01/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Look up a straight to base tek.They appear to be a little easier that an acid to base.




Not for Acacias. You need to have the DMT in acidic solution to defat (at least this is how it's traditionally done... I suppose that as long as DMT occurs as a salt in acacia bark, you could do a dry defat and then go straight to base).

For Acacia extractions, Coschi has posted a good tek over at the Nexus.

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9527772 - 01/01/09 02:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

DNBplus said:
Look up a straight to base tek.They appear to be a little easier that an acid to base.




Not for Acacias. You need to have the DMT in acidic solution to defat (at least this is how it's traditionally done... I suppose that as long as DMT occurs as a salt in acacia bark, you could do a dry defat and then go straight to base).

For Acacia extractions, Coschi has posted a good tek over at the Nexus.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: DNBplus]
    #10670260 - 07/13/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to resurrect a old thread didn't want to start my own when i could post it here but i can't seem to find %100 drain cleaner any ideas guys where would be a good place to look?


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: SLiCeR]
    #10671286 - 07/13/09 07:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Hanky said:
Any tek will work on acacia bark, I've never extracted anything but acacia for DMT.


Sodium hydroxide for a base: drain cleaner granules available in any supermarket.

Hydrochloric acid:  any hardware or pool store.

citric acid can be used as a safe alternative to HCL and is available in the cake section of any supermarket.

Shellite for a non polar solvent: available in any supermarket.

Woolworths or safeway stock everything except the HCL.

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Jufin]
    #10672285 - 07/13/09 10:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

just don't use drano, it has bits of aluminum in it.


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #10673230 - 07/14/09 01:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Bunnings had 100% Sodium hydroxide last time I looked


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: Mufungo]
    #10673853 - 07/14/09 07:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Oh really stupid me sorry guys i obviously should of looked a bit harder before i brought this post up


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: SLiCeR]
    #10683008 - 07/15/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Oh btw how much dmt could be extracted from 1 0z mimossa hostillis bark? is it worth it i should i use more mimossa hostillis bark?


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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: SLiCeR]
    #10686861 - 07/16/09 08:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry to resurrect a old thread didn't want to start my own when i could post it here but i can't seem to find %100 drain cleaner any ideas guys where would be a good place to look?




coles had >98% NaOH last time i checked (not draino, cant remember the brand), its fine for extractions.


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    #10688715 - 07/16/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Extracting DMT in Australia. [Re: MR14]
    #10701332 - 07/18/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet cheers guys for your help.

No one answered my question earlier how much spice could i obtain from 1oz of mimossa hostillis bark? or is it not worth doing an extraction of that size?


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