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Psilocybe???
    #6586118 - 02/19/07 04:50 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

could anybody help me identify this?[image][/image] it was found two days ago.. aged blackish/blue. i didnt get a spore print.. and it was in grass on the oregon coast (Lincoln City area). any help would be great.. Gracias.

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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Sasquatchocybe]
    #6586149 - 02/19/07 04:56 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Looks like it could be a Psilocybe cyanescens, or perhaps a look-a-like Tubaria. Notice any colour change where bruised or otherwise damaged??


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Sasquatchocybe]
    #6586152 - 02/19/07 04:56 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Neg. Gill color is off, as is the texture of the stem. Keep trying.

... Oh yeah, always get a spore print if you really want a decent ID.

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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: CureCat]
    #6586158 - 02/19/07 04:57 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Out of curiosity, which of these two mushrooms resembles your specimen?


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: CureCat]
    #6586196 - 02/19/07 05:05 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

i would have to say the one on the left because of stem and gill color... the one i founds stem looks like it is the wrong color for a cyanescens.. but this is the first thing that i have found which looks anything like one. i am just trying to figure out what it is... When it aged the stem melted black, as did the edges of the cap..

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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Sasquatchocybe]
    #6586222 - 02/19/07 05:11 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

what is that on the left?

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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Sasquatchocybe]
    #6586474 - 02/19/07 06:20 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Cool pic curecat, is that a gally and a cyan?


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Civ]
    #6586814 - 02/19/07 07:37 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Looks like a Tubaria on the left, and Psilocybe on the right.

We are awaiting you answer kitten.  :peace:

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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: shroomydan]
    #6587431 - 02/19/07 09:48 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

she posted it before, i think it was a galerina/cyan comparison,
but dont quote me on that :tongue:


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6587816 - 02/19/07 11:03 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Ehehehe, Tubaria furfuracea on the left, Psilocybe cyanescens on the right side.

I did not want to say which was the cyan before getting Sasquatchocybe's answer to which specimen was a closest match, because I didn't want hope to get in the way of objectivity.  :wink:


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: CureCat]
    #6588021 - 02/19/07 11:50 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

damn! :hehehe:


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6594176 - 02/21/07 03:33 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

First the color of the cap is wrong for that stage of maturity. Also from the pic you can tell it is fresh.

Second the gill color is off and the pattern is wrong. Cyanescens have a gill pattern of small medium small large. The large meaning they touch the outer margin and the mushrooms stem.

Next is the stem. By the looks of it there is no blueing, (that goes with the caps outer margin too) and it also looks hollow or brittle. Texture is important. Can you shake the mushroom by the stem without having the stem bend or break in half? It shouldn't break. Cyanescens are usually very durable.

I can see a small break in the margin of the cap. By the look of the break this mushroom has no pellicle. Detecting a pellicle on a cyanescens can be hard. It is usually not separable, however there is a very thin, skin like layer that can be separated from the cap if done delicately.

Example......


However this is not a key factor in ID. A Spore print would solve all the problems in this case.

Here is some of my pics to show the difference. Notice the gill pattern




Notice the natural blueing of the stems


Also notice that the mushrooms dry from the inside out. This is always a good Cyanescens trait. I don't know any other mushroom that could be mistaken for Cyanescens that also dries from the inside out, with durable cap and durable bright white to blue staining stems.

My guess is a tubaria. They grow all over my property. I imagine if you did a spore print you would get rusty-brown spore prints. Cyanescens have purple-grey-brown prints.

EDIT:> Sorry here is a good picture of the gill pattern. Also notice how perfectly round, strong and durable the stems look. Untouched they are bright white! Also notice the fibrous look of the stem is more fine then the fibrous look of your pics.



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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6594450 - 02/21/07 04:33 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

the white stem of psilocybe mushrooms usually give away their psychoactive secrets. if the stem doesnt bruise blue, and isnt white, chances are its not a cube, or psilocybe.

(this is from personal knowledge. there are exceptions such as wood dwelling shrooms and others.)


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #6594742 - 02/21/07 05:44 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Thanks for the help.  That was some quality info.  It sucks i have to wait so long for the next season though. :frown:

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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: Sasquatchocybe]
    #6595817 - 02/21/07 09:39 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

What are you talking about? I picked some of my best patches in April!!! 150 Cyanescens !!! It is temps, humidity, rains, and coditions that determine mushrooms. The only shitty thing about the later season is all the grass is growing and hiding them. IT seems like a needle in a haystack but when you find one you can usually fan out a 10 foot radius and find more if it is a good flush. Knowing your spots is key to late season hunting.

I am sure with the lack of water this winter we will have a wet spring. All that water has to go somewhere! However the temps is what we must worry about.


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Re: Psilocybe??? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6595988 - 02/21/07 10:41 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

i did not know that. i learned something today. awesome!!! Looks like more surfing trips to the coast...

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