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so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia
    #6595641 - 02/21/07 11:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

sorry i know theres a million posts about salvia but cant quite find what im lookin for. do some people enjoy it and do it on a regular basis like other psychedelics? and why have i seen people say they hate it, too uncomfortable or intense or what?


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: frizzlefry420]
    #6595659 - 02/21/07 11:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia "

thats because it's not a recreational drug.  glad I could clear that up for you.  :smile:


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: frizzlefry420]
    #6596028 - 02/22/07 12:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well it depends how you define recreational.... i know some ppl here on the shroomery smoke it on a regular basis... others try it once and feel no effects and think its a waste of time... then there are others who smoke it once, have one of the most bizarre experiences of their life and vow to never touch it again.... and still there are people like me who will smoke it once in a while, leave it alone for a little bit and then smoke again after some time...

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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia *DELETED* [Re: chodamunky]
    #6596065 - 02/22/07 01:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Epigallo]
    #6596083 - 02/22/07 01:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck salvia.

Stick with mescaline. :smile: :mushroom2: :thumbup:


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #6596089 - 02/22/07 01:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Fuck salvia.

Stick with mescaline. :smile: :mushroom2: :thumbup:




The two drugs can't be compared and each has it's place.

I love mescaline but salvia is awesome too.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: frizzlefry420]
    #6596313 - 02/22/07 03:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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sorry i know theres a million posts about salvia but cant quite find what im lookin for. do some people enjoy it and do it on a regular basis like other psychedelics? and why have i seen people say they hate it, too uncomfortable or intense or what?




Some people enjoy it and go there often. Salvia is like a funhouse mirror IME, she will show me what's inside of myself. Some people are not yet ready to look, others do too much, too fast (too high of a dose without working up). It can be uncomfortable, especially in an undesirable setting and it's almost always intense. Being able to submit to the experience and one's purpose for going there in the first place will make a large difference in the effects IMO.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: namaste]
    #6599797 - 02/23/07 12:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i love it, everyone else i know that has tried it loves it too. its definitely not something you want to do in the middle of a party bu rather in some woods with a fire maybe(just don't throw yourself into the flames. i find it amazingly calming even though its amazingly strong too. my brother gets this feeling of being pushed and pulled and twisted by the music. a friend of mine sees everyone like a robot and gets "triangle legs"(WTF!). i can't even hear the music nor can i see this world, i'm just gone. and it is beautiful. i definitely recommend it.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: maggotz]
    #6600147 - 02/23/07 01:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

salvia is a little different from your "normal" psychedelic drug. a breakthrough can be easily the most intense experience you've ever had and if you aren't prepared mentally can be quite strange. I don't think it is as recreational as marijuana or even mushrooms. i would recomend it only if you really want to trip balls like you never have before for about 5 minutes. however it is a totally harmless drug that can lead to great personal insight or intuitive thoughts about the world. it is truely a magical drug that if you can breakthrough on you won't be disappointed in the slightest.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: frizzlefry420]
    #6600914 - 02/23/07 06:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

when I come home from work
I will have a small amount of alcohol to defray the nerves from driving, not salvia; but before I go to work while relaxing in the tub i love salvia, or while lying down in bed but not sleeping at night time.

these are times I am not tense, and I am not doing anything

salvia is closer to dreams than to recreation, and it is not beefy (down) like alcohol, nor springy (up) like meth.

salvia is brief, but otherworldly so you can wedge it in to your life but you can't heap it on like cannibis, not just anytime.

while otherworldly, it is so brief lasting that you can't use it for concert mind dilation or party modulation like mushrooms or acid.

in short it is brief, perssonal, intense, rewarding but demanding.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #6601051 - 02/23/07 08:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Fuck salvia.





I agree. That shit is nasty. It's not that its too intense, hell i LOVE DMT, but its just shit. Ive said it on other threads here, ive never met anyone in person that has tried salvia and liked it. This forum is one of the few places I hear good things about it. Its cool if you like it, but its not for me I guess.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: SlashOZ]
    #6601084 - 02/23/07 09:08 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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...however it is a totally harmless drug...




You can't make that claim. Very little research has been done. Aside from anecdotal reports, personal experience, and a few neurotoxicity/dependency studies, not much is known about salvia. It is definitely not "totally harmless."


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Mosis]
    #6601115 - 02/23/07 09:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I´d say people are using salvia the wrong way. Mazatec indians have never smoked it. As some expert said, chewing the green leaves produces the "real" salvia experience, more manageable, not as scary.

It is as if by smoking salvia we were smoking shrooms, injecting THC or aplying LSD enemas.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: monlite]
    #6601202 - 02/23/07 10:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

just because they didn't smoke it doesn't mean that it's "the wrong way". Thought it was cleared up that shrooms had some form of DMT in them that can achieve effects by being smoked?(at any rate not starting up that age old discussion again)

Salvia for me, was never really recreational. I find the sweatiness and the feeling of unease when you come out of a breakthrough, and the need to think about what just happened are too strong for that. That being said for about a month i did it on a daily basis, things start getting extremely weird though, and you lose touch with this reality a bit, or at least it loses some of its importance.

so to summarise from my experience: not really recreational, but just so fascinating that you keep jumping in for more.

Be careful and good luck if you try it, salvias an amazing way to learn stuff about yourself, but its brutally honest, and some parts of yourself you dont always want to see, so make sure you'Re completely willing to be drifted away before you smoke it.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: dedjam]
    #6601210 - 02/23/07 10:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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gopenguins said:
Quote:

vigilant_mind said:
Fuck salvia.





I agree. That shit is nasty. It's not that its too intense, hell i LOVE DMT, but its just shit. Ive said it on other threads here, ive never met anyone in person that has tried salvia and liked it. This forum is one of the few places I hear good things about it. Its cool if you like it, but its not for me I guess.




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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6601213 - 02/23/07 10:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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You must not know many people...




Making assumptions like that just makes you look ignorant.

Edit: Lets just go over some places where I have had large discussions with salvia:

1) Friends/ Family - We will put this number at about 10. All of which hated the shit
2) raves - probably talked to well over 50 people standing at a rave last year where someone was handing out salvia. People had brought it to the event and decided they hated it...they were trying to give it away and no one wanted it. They actually received some pretty dirty remarks for trying to get others to smoke it.
3) clubs - I get out alot, and part of what I do is drug activism. I talk with people and gather and compile opinions on different drugs. Clubs are great places to find people willing to talk. I have yet to meet one person, out of hundreds, at different clubs that say they have tried and liked salvia.
4) Local head shop - they stocked up on it big when it hit the media a while back. Now they have shelves full of salvia and they cant give it away. No one in town wants it.

There is more.

You like it, you have made that obvious in other posts. That doesnt mean every other person shares your feelings. Instead of trying to understand that, you pass yourself off as an ignorant fool making wrongful assumptions to attack me instead discuss the topic.


Like I said, and maybe you missed this since you felt the need to quote and attempt a personal attack: ITS ALL GOOD IF YOU LIKE SALVIA, IF IT GETS YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, THEN MORE POWER TO YOU. I DONT KNOW ANYONE THAT LIKES IT.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: SapphireCat]
    #6601222 - 02/23/07 10:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Be careful and good luck if you try it, salvias an amazing way to learn stuff about yourself, but its brutally honest, and some parts of yourself you dont always want to see, so make sure you'Re completely willing to be drifted away before you smoke it.



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I´d say people are using salvia the wrong way. Mazatec indians have never smoked it. As some expert said, chewing the green leaves produces the "real" salvia experience, more manageable, not as scary.




I too have read that shamans believe smoking salvia is 'like burning your children' but that is just not convincing to me.  I have chewed the leaves many times but it's not a reliable way for me to get to where I wish to go, not to mention the taste is unsavory.  When I smoke and feel those molecules entering my bloodstream it is a very comforting feeling, until either the shamans or science can give me a more solid reason not smoke I will continue to do so.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: dedjam]
    #6601241 - 02/23/07 10:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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gopenguins said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
You must not know many people...




Making assumptions like that just makes you look ignorant.

Edit: Lets just go over some places where I have had large discussions with salvia:

1) Friends/ Family - We will put this number at about 10. All of which hated the shit
2) raves - probably talked to well over 50 people standing at a rave last year where someone was handing out salvia. People had brought it to the event and decided they hated it...they were trying to give it away and no one wanted it. They actually received some pretty dirty remarks for trying to get others to smoke it.
3) clubs - I get out alot, and part of what I do is drug activism. I talk with people and gather and compile opinions on different drugs. Clubs are great places to find people willing to talk. I have yet to meet one person, out of hundreds, at different clubs that say they have tried and liked salvia.
4) Local head shop - they stocked up on it big when it hit the media a while back. Now they have shelves full of salvia and they cant give it away. No one in town wants it.

There is more.

You like it, you have made that obvious in other posts. That doesnt mean every other person shares your feelings. Instead of trying to understand that, you pass yourself off as an ignorant fool making wrongful assumptions to attack me instead discuss the topic.


Like I said, and maybe you missed this since you felt the need to quote and attempt a personal attack: ITS ALL GOOD IF YOU LIKE SALVIA, IF IT GETS YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, THEN MORE POWER TO YOU. I DONT KNOW ANYONE THAT LIKES IT.




LOL!!!

Not a personal attack. Just an observation. At least 1/3 of the people that try Salvia under the right circumstances, like it.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6601440 - 02/23/07 12:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
when I come home from work
I will have a small amount of alcohol to defray the nerves from driving, not salvia; but before I go to work while relaxing in the tub i love salvia, or while lying down in bed but not sleeping at night time.

these are times I am not tense, and I am not doing anything

salvia is closer to dreams than to recreation, and it is not beefy (down) like alcohol, nor springy (up) like meth.

salvia is brief, but otherworldly so you can wedge it in to your life but you can't heap it on like cannibis, not just anytime.

while otherworldly, it is so brief lasting that you can't use it for concert mind dilation or party modulation like mushrooms or acid.

in short it is brief, perssonal, intense, rewarding but demanding.




can i ask, do you smoke leaf or extract?

i have only tried salvia in extracted form
and have been considering buying some leaf to see if it would affect me differently.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: frizzlefry420]
    #6601470 - 02/23/07 12:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't use it too often, but when I do its when I'm by myself late at night. I don't like it in social settings.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: frizzlefry420]
    #6601516 - 02/23/07 12:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with most of the folks who have spoken so far.
Whatever salvia is, it certainly shouldn't be regarded as a "legal high". It's not a 'euphoric' plant; which is not to say it's dysphoric or that people cannot derive euphoria from it, but people usually don't take it to get high the same way people smoke pot to get high.
It's much more on the side of exploration than recreation. The experience is a powerful, very unique flavor. Sort of like chile cinnamon ginger ice cream with a surprise in the center.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: despisedicon]
    #6601545 - 02/23/07 12:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't like it, but I don't dislike it. I've done it a few times, and usually when the time feels right.

I would not call Salvia a "recreational" drug. While it is something that some people do enjoy greatly, its not the kind of drug that you want to do while at a big party or anything like that.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: kaniz]
    #6602099 - 02/23/07 03:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I definitely find it to be a fun experience but at the same time I wouldn't do it in the middle of a party. But one time I took a hit of weed combined with a little extract and had a very good time. It wasn't a full blown salvia trip but I could definitely feel it, then I went to a party and everytime I would take a hit from a joint I could feel the salvia coming back to life in me. I'm sure a lot of it was just in my head(actually all of it was in my head but you know what I mean) it wasn't the usual weed high, it was a very mental, very philosophic high.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: maggotz]
    #6602458 - 02/23/07 04:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't like it, not because I've had a BAD experience, but because it makes me feel all cold and sweaty when it's over. It's just a gross feeling.

It's also unpredictable- again, I never had a bad experience, only weird- sometimes I'd melt and turn into whatever I was sitting on, sometimes I'd see swirling fractal patterns that were unlike anything lsd ever did for me, and sometimes it was like hitting a nitrous balloon; stupid giddy laughter for 5 minutes.

In any case, nothing great or profound happened. No incredible revelations or life changing experiences. It's like anovelty thing- much more fun IMO to watch someone else do it for the first time.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6602572 - 02/23/07 05:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I smoke shitloads of leaves. I domed approximately an ounce in the last week or so, plus about 1.5 grams of 5x. I don't LOVE it, but I don't dislike it. I guess I like it to some degree. I haven't (yet) had any profound experience with it.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Sebastian23]
    #6603007 - 02/23/07 07:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If you guys want to feel a more profound side of salvia, you should give her a go after a mushroom peak.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: namaste]
    #6603019 - 02/23/07 07:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ya mushrooms and salvia is ripp roaring. give it a try.
salvia is too much of a mental strain for ,e. i will try it again seeing as i have so much extract. but not for a while.
i know folks who smoke it almost daily
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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: monlite]
    #6603038 - 02/23/07 07:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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aplying LSD enemas.




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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Sunny]
    #6603071 - 02/23/07 07:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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aplying LSD enemas.




They call that butthole surfing




Lol. LSD enemas work? Why would anyone choose to do that?


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Sebastian23]
    #6603096 - 02/23/07 07:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

uhm... yeah, they work. LSD can absorbed through regular skin contact. Your intestinal tissue is especially absorbitive. Haven't you every wondered about that term before?


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Sunny]
    #6603216 - 02/23/07 07:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i dont like it, too much smoke and tastes like ass.


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: Hellrage]
    #6605003 - 02/24/07 10:26 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ive done it 7 times in one week and i could say its only good like 1-4 times month, but thats just my opinion


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Re: so im kinda confused bout the recreational use of salvia [Re: eyehavenoi]
    #6605050 - 02/24/07 11:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
when I come home from work
I will have a small amount of alcohol to defray the nerves from driving, not salvia; but before I go to work while relaxing in the tub i love salvia, or while lying down in bed but not sleeping at night time.

these are times I am not tense, and I am not doing anything

salvia is closer to dreams than to recreation, and it is not beefy (down) like alcohol, nor springy (up) like meth.

salvia is brief, but otherworldly so you can wedge it in to your life but you can't heap it on like cannibis, not just anytime.

while otherworldly, it is so brief lasting that you can't use it for concert mind dilation or party modulation like mushrooms or acid.

in short it is brief, perssonal, intense, rewarding but demanding.




can i ask, do you smoke leaf or extract?

i have only tried salvia in extracted form
and have been considering buying some leaf to see if it would affect me differently.



I smoke pure extracted salvinorin that I have deposited on tiny bits of cigarette paper so that I hardly smoke anything in the house.
outside I smoke joints of plainleaf.
otherwise I have 10x to have a normal reference if I am introducing somebody (rare)


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