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juggalacious12
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Can you make a "rye cake"?
#6586646 - 02/19/07 06:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Afoaf had a 1/2 pt. spawn jar that didn't quite germinate right during the multispore inoculation. Since it took so long to colonize, he kinda missed the boat with all the other guys so Afoaf made what I call a One Man submarine out of a Folgers can with two holes in top, one for a tube to pump air in and another to let air out. He popped out the cake and set it in there, what to you guys think will happen?
His timer is one cheapy from wally world and goes on for an hour each time, how many times should he have it go per day?
Quickly should the cake be eaten before it succumbs to contamination?
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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RogerRabbit
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It probably is already contaminated with bacteria or it would have colonized in a week or two. Rye fruits poorly from cakes if at all, and needs to be used in larger amounts. I doubt seriously you'll get anything. Be sure to dunk overnight and roll in dry verm to give the most advantage, but don't hold your breath. RR
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juggalacious12
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6586699 - 02/19/07 07:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Think that it could have been too wet? The bottom of the jar was blue cuz he used too much spore water, in rye that was already too wet.
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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juggalacious12
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Just thought you'd all like to know that my stalled rye cake is doing great now that it has some fresh air, the whole outside is colonized so I gave it a good verm roll. I didn't dunk since not only did I forget, but I'm pretty sure that over saturation was the problem to begin with so no harm done. Plus this is just a test pilot, I won't be sad if it does absolutely nothing, but I would like it to colonize the verm now at least.
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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S33D
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I've fruited 100% rye berry pint cakes and they turned out fine. Only got about 2grams dry per flush but I was very noob at that time. Injecting your cakes with water will give you much better results.
Very potent as well! definitely gives hpoo a run for its money;)
-------------------- If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
~Dr. Emmett Brown
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Grogan
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: S33D]
#6592111 - 02/20/07 11:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Potency is not related to substrate just so we dont get him confused...
Its related to sub-strain.. Roger Rabbit knows about this
-------------------- "Maybe a cow occasionally ate a shroom, but it certainly wouldn't be such a potent shroom that the cow would be trippin balls. " LOL
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: Grogan]
#6592488 - 02/21/07 01:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grogan said: Potency is not related to substrate just so we dont get him confused...
Its related to sub-strain.. Roger Rabbit knows about this
Substrate doesnt equate to potency!? Your wrong. Ill bet you $1000 a rye berry cake will beat a BRF cake hands down.
-------------------- If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
~Dr. Emmett Brown
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agar
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: S33D]
#6592700 - 02/21/07 04:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL, the POTENCY ISSUE never fails to get argued.
Potency is derived from a number of things. 1. It starts with genetics. Then, for P. Cubensis to grow/fruit. 2. Requires various nutrients. 3. Certain amounts of moisture. 4. Environmental conditions within a range.
Generally, if you have a decent strain/substrain. Given proper conditions. You get shrooms with varying amounts of actives. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But, most often enough to do the job, effectively.
Bio/assay (eating them) is not a very good means of determining potency.
I have seen situations where, a fair size group of individuals, was given a dry 8-Ball each. Some tripped their heads off (body & mind), others had a good body trip, others had a mellow head trip, and sometimes 1 would draw a blank. All from the same crop.
Reality is, lousy genetics can result in low potency. Lousy substrate (nutrients) can result in low potency. Substandard environmental conditions, produce less fruit weight. (less fruit weight = less actives)
For instance, in people;....most often: A person with F/U genetics, is prone to a multitude of problems. A person lacking proper nutrients, is prone to problems. A person lacking water is prone to problems. A person raised in circumstances lacking light/air/space. Is prone to problems.
Same goes for mushrooms. Naturally, there are always exceptions. Shrooms grown on far less than optimal nutrients. Can have near optimal potency. Shrooms grown in extremely poor conditions. Can have near optimal potency.
I have found that: With good genetics, near optimal nutrients/moisture & conditions. You almost always get near optimal potency.
So, you do the best you can. And, get equivalent results.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: S33D]
#6593135 - 02/21/07 09:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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S33D said: Substrate doesnt equate to potency!? Your wrong. Ill bet you $1000 a rye berry cake will beat a BRF cake hands down.
No, you're wrong. If one substrate was going to deliver more potent fruits than another, don't you think those of us who have been growing for many years would be reporting what is best instead of new growers?
I'm getting really tired of typing this over and over again and I'm sure agar is too. Mycelium requires food, just like humans do. If there was a food that would turn an idiot into an Einstein, or a midget into an arnold, don't you think it would be on the food charts by now? However, if you starved an arnold or einstein, do you think they would have developed as they did?
It's the same with fungi. You need good genetics and good food. Rye is good food for fungi. Horse manure is good food for fungi. PF cakes are good food for fungi. Given good genetics, it doesn't make a rat's ass worth of difference which substrate you use. Potency will take care of itself. Let's shitcan the trashing of different teks please. They're all good.
For the record, a rye berry cake wouldn't do crap. Rye makes a horrible substrate for cakes, but not a bad spawn. RR
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juggalacious12
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6597813 - 02/22/07 03:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grogan: Where did potency come up? My question is more concerning the yield potential of a rye cake, most likely nothing will even be produced to eat so that's irrelevant. It is a good thing to keep on a noobs mind though, like letting your spawn recover before casing or the benefits of dunking.
I feel very honored to have had both Agar and RR answer one of my posts (at the same time).
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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juggalacious12
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My little cake got a little blue spot on it that in panic I assumed may be contamination, so I H2O2'ed it before it could sporeate, just in case. No harm done right? I just put a drop of 3% on the spot.
Did I over react and put peroxide on a bruise? I assumed it wasn't one since I hadn't recently handled the cake (two days before I think) and it grew a bit I think. Do cakes (does mycelium, really) spontaniously bruise throughout their (its) crowing cycle? May it have been from my hose nudging it when I put the lid back on
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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RoachMan
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juggalacious12 said: My question is more concerning the yield potential of a rye cake, most likely nothing will even be produced to eat so that's irrelevant.
Just an example of "biological efficiency"?
Cased rye (cake?):
(pint)
Rye Spawned to Bulk:
-------------------- "The mistake that I make is to try to come awake in a place you're just supposed to get shit faced or baked."
Edited by RoachMan (02/22/07 04:23 PM)
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S33D
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Re: Can you make a "rye cake"? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6599364 - 02/22/07 08:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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S33D said: Substrate doesnt equate to potency!? Your wrong. Ill bet you $1000 a rye berry cake will beat a BRF cake hands down.
No, you're wrong. If one substrate was going to deliver more potent fruits than another, don't you think those of us who have been growing for many years would be reporting what is best instead of new growers?
I'm getting really tired of typing this over and over again and I'm sure agar is too. Mycelium requires food, just like humans do. If there was a food that would turn an idiot into an Einstein, or a midget into an arnold, don't you think it would be on the food charts by now? However, if you starved an arnold or einstein, do you think they would have developed as they did?
It's the same with fungi. You need good genetics and good food. Rye is good food for fungi. Horse manure is good food for fungi. PF cakes are good food for fungi. Given good genetics, it doesn't make a rat's ass worth of difference which substrate you use. Potency will take care of itself. Let's shitcan the trashing of different teks please. They're all good.
So your saying if I grew a choice clone out on white rice and grew the exact same clone out on hpoo that both fruits will be equal in potency?
Sorry but I disagree RR. I've read many times that specific substrates produce superior potency. ie horse manure I do agree that all the nutes in the world wont mean sh*t if your working with lousy genes but likewise if you have a less than desirable sub all those great genes wont mean crap either.
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RogerRabbit said: For the record, a rye berry cake wouldn't do crap. Rye makes a horrible substrate for cakes, but not a bad spawn. RR
And for the record I've fruited 100% rye berry cakes. And for a being a noob at the time they turned out fine. 2grams dry per flush was about average and pretty potent as well.
-------------------- If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
~Dr. Emmett Brown
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juggalacious12
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I thought you would all like to be caught up on what's happened since I've been gone; It was just a bruise, but far more inpostantly since it has been partly the subject of hot debate on here, if my rye cake had not become contaminated (which I did to see how resistant the mycelium was, which was VERY) it would have fruited longer and probably produced larger fruits as time went on. I say this because the cake sat of the perlite and began to colonize it and the only place that decent shrooms formed was there and since the rye was just a giant ball of nut.'s then it would have surely lasted longer being has how it had like 5x more metabolables, larger shrooms to the large network that would take over the perliteo, though that is just spec. and it could yield shit shrooms for a very long time... The cake is like a humid box and doesn't really dry out that easily in my short exp.
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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juggalacious12
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I think that this tek should be reseached a little bit more, with the perlite acting somewhat as a casing and the rye as a nutrient base and spawn this may have some promise as a new tek since the perlite can't easily contaminate, nor can the cake.
This is just a possibility though and I seriously lack the experience to say that it is in any way valid!
-------------------- It's kinda like the "rooms" made from drawing a star, where you are in the middle and have access to all of the other rooms simultaniously. Ya know?
Also, I guess that I feel it apropriate to note that all statements of mine are either hypathetical, invalid, or otherwise legal.
The resistance to side changes, fixation in one place without the ability to change it, precievably.
YOu will never see a psychedelic experience greater than yourself (keep in mind that this is still relative, and that your best, however sad it may be, is still THE best!)
I don't just want to see these fascets of my mind, I want(have) to experience them.
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