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MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ?
#6590359 - 02/20/07 05:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I havn't slept in 3 days nd I feel sick as a dog I absolutely MUST get some sleep tonite. My prescription Ativan isn't working (even at 4 times the dose - i.e 4mg) I tried combining it with 2 full bottles of wine and I became even more awake. Dyphenhydramne doesn't do a thing for me and codeine and muscle relaxants seem to make me more awake even when combined with booze. Desperately need advice. I there any thing I can take or do to sleep tonite. I don't know why booze makes me more awake, all the medications say that booze will "enhance the sedative effect" but it seems to have the opposite affect on me. please help. I was having wine, perhaps a different type of booze would put me to sleep ? beer maybe ? i just need to sleep tonite cause i feel awful, i don't intend on taking these regularly.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590369 - 02/20/07 05:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Reading the topic, I said to myself, melatonin.
But with the amount of drugs you've already tried, I think you should probably just lay off it.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590380 - 02/20/07 05:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn, three days up.. don't take any pills, just get a bunch of beer and drink it, chillin' on your couch or something. Watch TV and get drunk. Repeat, pass out.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Boom]
#6590385 - 02/20/07 05:50 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or put yourself in a situation where you must not sleep. The urge to sleep always becomes greater
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590389 - 02/20/07 05:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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No offense, really brother, but you might want to see a counselor/therapist. That is not healthy.
In the meantime, don't stress about it. If sleep comes, enjoy it. If not, do something productive and relaxing to pass the time.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590397 - 02/20/07 05:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Warm milk, Tylenol PM, Nyquil usually work for mild sleep disturbances....but if your taking that much shit, and still can't sleep...there is a problem.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: AroundtheSon]
#6590402 - 02/20/07 05:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Christ! why in the world would someone miss 3 days of sleep... in any case... just look at your post and see how much shit 've you been taking... i mean... i just see a complete mess... maybe you should look for balance as body tends to it by itself.
You need just healthy natural sleep...
Or... try joingin a fight club
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590406 - 02/20/07 05:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would've said ambien, but if you've already had that large of a cocktail of drugs, listen to these people and just get sober
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590418 - 02/20/07 05:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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have you been eating over the course of this?
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Schwip]
#6590450 - 02/20/07 06:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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smoke a huge blunt....two hours later....you will be sleeping like a baby.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: AngeloWish]
#6590453 - 02/20/07 06:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like a case of opiate withdrawl to me. Benzos helped knock me out occasionally during that, but that was always short lived.....and considering ativan didn't do it, who knows if xanax or k-pins would.
Good luck brother, I feel your pain.......I've had some cravings lately, and reading that reminded me to be happy that that shit is a thing of the past.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Dark_Star]
#6590490 - 02/20/07 06:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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First of all,I know it sounds like the sort of typical advice someone from the Shroomery would give you, but try not thinking about it so much! Don't lay in bed for hours. Distract yourself with something else! Books, video games, writing, tv, movies, news, infomercials...it doesn't matter. If you can, make yourself a cup of non-caffeinated chamomile tea before bed. Its a nice relaxent. I would suggest staying away from booze and drugs just because they haven't been working. The only drug I would suggest is regular ol' Benedryl. My mom took a farmacology class 2 years ago and hasn't stopped talking about it since, and according to her it has more of the active ingredient in sleeping pills than the pills do. Everyone she's suggested it too say it knocks them out.
The last thing I can reccomend is to NOT have a clock within sight of you. They just make you anxious. Do whatever you can to keep your mind away from the "Fuck, I really need to get to sleep" thoughts.
Otherwise, try looking at things a different way. Maybe something you thought was helping (booze perhaps-that means Nyquil) is actually hurting.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: pottypatty]
#6590515 - 02/20/07 06:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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well i wish ya luck, if ya do get sober, try ambien, cause it works and doen't leave ya hung over the next day
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: pottypatty]
#6590543 - 02/20/07 06:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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um, guys, as i mentioned in my post this is not a regular thing. I'm not wolfing down every pharmacutical I can find for years on end. I have a prescription for 1 mg ativan at night because I have adrenal insufficeny and they've put me on high doses of cortisone which makes me very hyper and anxious and I cant sleep - so they gave me 1mg of ativan to sleep. I have to take the cortisone cause my body doesn't make any (my adrenal glands are dead), I tried stopping the cortisone so that I could get some healthy natural sleep and ended up in the ICU for a week on a ventilator and feeding tube. I just havn't been able to sleep for the last 3 days and am feeling VERY sick, and can't do very much. I really need a good nights rest and then I'll be fine even if I don't sleep tomorrow. I just feel that I really need the sleep tonite. I've been up for 3 consecutive dayz... jeez I feel awful and one more sleepless night and I'll probably fall sick (sleep deprivation really brings the immune system down) besides I have a ton of stuff that I HAVE to do tomorrow, so I just have to sleep tonite. why does alcohol make me more awake ?
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590554 - 02/20/07 06:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would absolutely talk to my doctor about this
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590564 - 02/20/07 06:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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lucid said: um, guys, as i mentioned in my post this is not a regular thing. I'm not wolfing down every pharmacutical I can find for years on end. I have a prescription for 1 mg ativan at night because I have adrenal insufficeny and they've put me on high doses of cortisone which makes me very hyper and anxious and I cant sleep - so they gave me 1mg of ativan to sleep. I have to take the cortisone cause my body doesn't make any (my adrenal glands are dead), I tried stopping the cortisone so that I could get some healthy natural sleep and ended up in the ICU for a week on a ventilator and feeding tube. I just havn't been able to sleep for the last 3 days and am feeling VERY sick, and can't do very much. I really need a good nights rest and then I'll be fine even if I don't sleep tomorrow. I just feel that I really need the sleep tonite. I've been up for 3 consecutive dayz... jeez I feel awful and one more sleepless night and I'll probably fall sick (sleep deprivation really brings the immune system down) besides I have a ton of stuff that I HAVE to do tomorrow, so I just have to sleep tonite. why does alcohol make me more awake ?
Prescription drugs seem to be causing more harm than good. About this time I would be questioning western medicine. Try hollistic or homeopathic medicine.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Boom]
#6590614 - 02/20/07 06:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Booooom said: I would absolutely talk to my doctor about this
Like, now.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590631 - 02/20/07 06:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would absolutely talk to my doctor about this
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Try hollistic or homeopathic medicine.
That's also worth looking into, for sure.
This is something that NEEDS to be taken care of ASAP brother; you said you have a lot of stuff to do tomorrow, well, that can be put off. Your health has to come first. Good luck, and keep us posted.
One more thing; you mentioned alcohol keeping you up.....I've noticed the same thing before, sometimes it keeps me up, and other times I'll fall asleep and then wake up in the middle of the night and have problems going back to sleep. My sleeping pattern is weird though......I often have problems going to sleep, and/or staying asleep. This is something that's started somewhat recently, and I attribute it to my past abuse of opiates. One thing that does help me sleep through the night, is herb.
Also, my bad for jumping to the WD conclusion , your original post just reminded me of it.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#6590649 - 02/20/07 06:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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sure i'll just the clinic at 9 o'clock and night and have a meaninful conversation with his answering machine
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590652 - 02/20/07 06:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you end up addicted to that garbage, you will be up all the time brother.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6590727 - 02/20/07 07:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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as was said earlier, see your doc.
BUT
have you tried exercise? whenever i cant sleep it's cause i just have too much energy. EXHAUST yourself. go for a run at the very least.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6591823 - 02/20/07 10:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe I'm not completely well versed in biochem to know, but why dont they give you a REAL sleep aid like lunesta or ambien? ativan, while it functiosn as a sleep aid, is more for typical freak out calm down benzo.
Go to the Dcotor, even if its the ER.
Stop drinking, thats just stupid.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: mndfreeze]
#6591844 - 02/20/07 10:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you can, smoke as much weed as you possibly can at one sitting, smoke a gram or two to your head, as long as it's decent, it should put some feelings of tiredness into you, use that as an aid to try to get to sleep.
Getting drunk doesn't put me to sleep in a good way, always have terrible sleeps. You should check with a doctor if you're up 3 days and not sleeping, I think you can actually do harm to yourself if you stay up too long.
*edit* Marijuana seems to work better than any OTD sleep aid like lortab or anything out there. None of those seem to make me tired at all.
Edited by DRTMaverick (02/20/07 10:48 PM)
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Maverick]
#6591917 - 02/20/07 11:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, if it is possible to avoid western meds I would go for it. I understand that your adrenaline glands are dead, but are there no other alternatives than a stimulate? You will begin to build a tolerance to sleep aids, and then they will stop working for you. If you try to stop completely, you have a rough couple nights of sleep, but it is worth it in the long run.
But...if you seriously want to pass out, I understand. I have some degree of insomnia as well, so what does it for me ususally is a schwag blunt and then a large quantity of vodka. Mixing meds and alcohol wakes me up as well, dont do it. You could maybe snort two or three...or four 2mg bars of xanax, or possibly pop a valium. Stay away from Niquil and that crap, it is no good. I also advise you try and come off the sleep meds. Drink and smoke yourself retarted the first couple nights coming off and you should be ok. I know this all sounds like horrible health advice, but sometimes when you can't sleep you just say fuck it, i'll take some damage for a good nights sleep.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6678953 - 03/17/07 12:44 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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dude, I was looking at your posts and like 99% of them are about some physical problems you are having. You know what I'd do (And I'm no doctor so you know, take this for what it's worth...) taper off and stop all drugs/medications you are taking (This includes alcohol), find a good natural food store, and make sure the only things you put in your body for two weeks are natural, organically grown foods and water. put nothing else in your body for two weeks. You sound seriously out of balance.
Do note if you take any prescription medications it might not be a good idea to stop. Talk with a doctor.
to recap:
Talk to a doctor Spend some time putting only natural things from the earth into your body.
There might be something you're ingesting regularly (knowingly or otherwise) that is having a detrimental effect on your health.
Do you use opiates? Because that really sounds a lot like bad w/d's.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6679361 - 03/17/07 05:03 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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melatonin knocks me the fuck out.. the only thing that really works.. as its endogenous to the body.
Go find a melatonin containing sleeping aid.
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6679381 - 03/17/07 05:43 AM (17 years, 7 days ago) |
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melatonin or valerian root are the safest and probably most effective supplements to encourage sleep ... B vitamin complex's will improve the quality of sleep, too, just like they improve the quality of daily energy ... drink lots of water and flush your system to encourage healthy sleep ...
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lucid said: why does alcohol make me more awake ?
alcohol converts into sugar 1-3 hours after drinking, which is why drinking yourself to sleep is a horrible idea. being semi-conscious for a night and not dreaming does not count as a substitute for sleep ...
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6679438 - 03/17/07 07:44 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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geez man lay off the drinks and drugs and go running a few miles to make your body tired
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: stefan]
#6679578 - 03/17/07 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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zopiclone (leaves a shit taste tho) ambsil
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: lucid]
#6679608 - 03/17/07 09:41 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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Stop drinking. It sounds like you are an alcoholic, man...
Alcohol makes you pass out, not sleep. Smoke a joint, and count some sheep.
I made a little poem for you. Good luck!
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Re: MUST SLEEP TONITE, ANY ADVICE ON MEDS ? [Re: Colbadol]
#6679673 - 03/17/07 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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melatonin 4 me. 300 mcg. a heavy meal, maybe a smoke or a brew and say good nite. cortisone no, melatonin blocks cortisol.
Edited by Cerebro (03/20/07 07:59 PM)
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