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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Barbi]
    #664258 - 06/05/02 11:49 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Yes, yes, the movie 'The Bear' had cubs eating Amanita Muscarias and hallucinating butterflies; reindeer do eat Amanitas and other reindeer lick up their psychoactive urine. Some birds eat fermented berries off bushes, and butterflies like to lay their eggs on my own Passionflower vines so their caterpillar babies can devour the plants (while ignoring my Alamandas and Mandevillas).

Canines should not be given psychoactives. Period. Take your dogs into the woods when you trip but leave them in their natural state. They're already rooted in the here and now. Learn from them! If you want amusement, give catnip to cats.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: mjshroomer]
    #664389 - 06/05/02 01:39 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

Can you give me more specific directions to your article. I bookmarked the site, but their were over 400 pages of reference to 'original purple mushroom' ? Thanks.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: mjshroomer]
    #664406 - 06/05/02 01:50 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

P.S. - Hieronymous Bosche's paintings of St. Anthony, and I think, Pieter Breugel the Elder, show the monsters and demons attacking Anthony,that Athanasius wrote about in his biography of St. Anthony. One of the reasons that Anthony is a patron saint of ergotism, is because he himself seemed to have been a victim of it.
Anthony did not develop the gangrene, but Bosche's surrealistic landscapes and animated objects, plus hybrid reptilian-insectoid-vegatative creatures are clearly hellish beings.

St. Anthony is usually illustrated (Albrecht Durer) with a pig and a staff surmounted by a Tao cross (with little bells, it is true). He was the first Christian anchorite or hermit monk. I do not think that the Pagan symbols indicate Pagan practices of any sort. He was a renunciant to the extreme.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #664434 - 06/05/02 02:06 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: mjshroomer]
    #664508 - 06/05/02 03:08 PM (22 years, 15 days ago)

So far everytime I have tripped, I think my dog knows that im tripping. Whenever im tripping she freaks out and runs around the place and whines (sp) and starts to kind of bug me. I think that she can tell something is wrong by looking at my eyes. I bet she can tell by my pupils being so huge. Anyone else have any ideas about this.

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: ]
    #665108 - 06/06/02 12:35 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

July 1, 1972 - I took my first strong trip on windowpane LSD. At peak time, my designated sitter took me and my tripping buddy to my house when my parents were out. I walked in and my dog Blackie was lying, as usual, on the stairs. All I said was "Hi Blackie,' and she began to tremble like she was at the veternarian's office.
Now, when we all went up to my room, I remember seeing my friend Kenny with a 2 color aura around him: light blue with pink over that layer. When he spoke, the same light blue colored auric 'vapor' (prana?) came out of his mouth and passed through the blue and pink body-aura. Now, it's been 30 years and I remember this vividly, so I wonder if my dog saw something frightening. I also don't know to this day if the ability of my physical eyes was enhanced, or whether my third eye was open to clairvoyant perception. Very clearly though, another aspect of reality was perceived. A year later, when I would come home from college on the weekends to trip, I'd actually dance with my dog while she stood on hind legs. No more fear from her, but neither was the intensity of that first trip there either. In a word: vibrations.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #665179 - 06/06/02 02:43 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

That's creepy.
Reminds me of the F and L quote "This was not a good time for psychedelic drugs..extremely menacing vibrations were all around us"
I think animals CAN sense things that we can't see. Who knows what it was though...

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: ]
    #665458 - 06/06/02 06:02 AM (22 years, 15 days ago)

So far everytime I have tripped, I think my dog knows that im tripping.

Let's not make this another mystical myth. Your body chemistry changes significantly and hence your body odor. On psilocybin, it is not very noticable to a human, but even humans can detect the smell of a person (even if they don''t know what is causing it) on LSD. A dog's sense of smell had been estimated to be 1,000 to 10,000 times more sensitive than ours, so it is not that great of a mystery. Your dog probably freaks out because you look like "you", but don't smell like "you" causing him to be quite confused.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #665919 - 06/06/02 10:54 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

I'd have to add that 'vibrations,' whether of a measureable electromagnetic source, or of a subjectively perceived Psi function, is a matter of the 'psychic' domain, not the pneumatic (or as you say, "mystical") domain of experience.* It would seem that many animals are psychically sensitive (e.g., rats abandoning a ship before a sinking incident; dogs howling and carrying on a great distance from where their human has died; etc.) Whereas scent may well change for a number of biochemical reasons, this physical fact does not account for every phenomenon.

* These 'domains' belong to an ancient taxonomy dating to 1st century Christianity, among the Gnostics, and recently with Ken Wilber and other transpersonal philosophers and psychologists.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #665923 - 06/06/02 10:58 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

^^^^ just said something that only he probably understands.

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #666145 - 06/06/02 01:39 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Swami's right about a dog's sense of smell. Tests with Bloodhounds have shown that the dogs could detect a concentration of urine down to 1 part per 6 million. (I'm sure they can smell other things equally as well, but that's what they tested with)

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #666181 - 06/06/02 02:04 PM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Whereas scent may well change for a number of biochemical reasons, this physical fact does not account for every phenomenon.
I apologize for not debunking every possible animal / human myth. Somehow I thought responding to the issue in question was enough.

It would seem that many animals are psychically sensitive (e.g., rats abandoning a ship before a sinking incident
Wow, what a great mystery! Most shipboard rats live in the bilges which would be the first compartment to fill with water, driving the rats up towards the deck.

...dogs howling and carrying on a great distance from where their human has died...
Dogs howl and carry on when no one has died. There is no causal link.




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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #666805 - 06/07/02 12:40 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Apparently, your own world of experience does not include any 'paranormal' phenonenon, synchronicities (acausal connections), or, for that matter 'mystery,'
(not merely that which has yet to be explained by simple physical reductionism, according to the philosophy of pure materialism).
It would be helpful for you to develop some faith in the perceptions and interpretations of others, to supplement your own seemingly impoverished inner world. Sarcasm, arrogance and condescension only underline your need to consider the perceptions of others.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #666914 - 06/07/02 04:44 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

It would be helpful for you to develop some faith in the perceptions and interpretations of others, to supplement your own seemingly impoverished inner world.

I start with a rational explanation about a dog's sense of smell and instantly this becomes about my "impoverished inner world". That is a tall leap, Markos and quite a judgement.

People are inherently superstitious and see and believe all kinds of patterns that have no meaning. I fail to see how accepting someone's erroneous perception can fill some "inner void". Yes, social interaction and grace can sometimes be more important than actual truth, but this is a discussion board not a tea party.


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #667069 - 06/07/02 07:03 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

I wasnt trying to make everyone believe that a dog or whatever knows when your tripping by looking at your eyes. I was just making a suggestion as of why maby she knows that im tripping or something is wrong. Im not trying to create a "myth" like you say. Sorry if it sounded so confusing but I still dont understand what you wrote about a dogs sense of smell while your tripping. Once again, im not trying to create a false myth, so dont jump my ass next time I am just making a suggestion.

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: ]
    #667091 - 06/07/02 07:20 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Sorry if it sounded so confusing but I still dont understand what you wrote about a dogs sense of smell while your tripping.
What is hard to understand? Your body chemistry (and hence: smell) are affected by what you put into it. Common examples would be garlic, tobacco, alcohol. People on LSD frequently get sweaty palms and a peculiar odor. I am unable to detect another's odor on psilocybin, but a dog might.

Offering a plausible explanation which is what you asked for, is hardly "jumping on your ass".


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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #667136 - 06/07/02 07:47 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

Ok, sorry, I thought you were just bitching about me trying to create another false myth story which I wasnt. Thanks for writing that in terms that a pothead could understand. For some reason when I kept reading it, it just wasnt making sense to me. But maby thats cause I was somewhat high/burnt. I understand what your saying, but I like my suggestion better

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #667144 - 06/07/02 07:52 AM (22 years, 14 days ago)

LSD is odeorless, tasteless and colorless so I doubt that sweaty palms are letting the dog know you are high.

He knows you are a lttle diffeent by instinct that you are behaving diffeerently then you mormaly do, maybe at a higher frequency of thought and vibrations emenating form your spirit.

I do know that most dogs and cats will not eat mushrooms where as quirrels love amanita as do bears and deer and other four-leggeg woodland critters. However they do not go eat psilocybine mushrooms from stashes and neither do cats. These ferel animals tend to know beforehand what is tsty for them and what is not, usually rejeting eating something if it odes not smellup to their expectations.

mj.

Also remember slugs love mushrooms and many animals can eat food items that would poison humans and vice-versa.

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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: Swami]
    #668337 - 06/08/02 03:58 AM (22 years, 13 days ago)

Has absolutely nothing to do with smell, only behavior. Don't let dogs get near senile people or people with alzheimers. Spaced out behavior freaks dogs the fuck out.



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Re: FEEDING CANINES CUBIES [Re: turpentine]
    #668343 - 06/08/02 04:07 AM (22 years, 13 days ago)

A freind of mine has a dog that will walk around at parties, and "accidentally" knock over people's beers with her ass, then turn around and drink it. she gets all fucked up and stumbles around the house.

Don't give dogs psychedelics.



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