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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6587922 - 02/19/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

yea, it would be nice to have your computer dial out to your cell phone, to say, "you dummy, come fill the humidifiers!"  Mine always seem to run out just as I go to bed, especially if i've forgotten to check on them first.  A phone call would be nice.  I've always resisted the urge to complicate my greenhouse though. . .so far... :wink:
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    #6588004 - 02/19/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6588577 - 02/20/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's a viable idea. If you're going to have a microcontroller on board it would be just as easy to have it be a stand alone unit. You could shuttle the data to and from the microcontroller as needed. You really wouldn't need computer control to run it, any microprocessor these days has enough computing horsepower to handle temp, humidity, and some relays.


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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: fastfred]
    #6597361 - 02/22/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=351346

was thinkin of getting one of these and some sensors & relays and have
my friend who is a skilled eletrician to help me put things together.
i'll take care of the programming :smile:. seems like a great project you're
up to. these things i need will make it cost quite a bit
you're doing it from scratch right? guess it will cut costs grealty.


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    #6597745 - 02/22/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6598489 - 02/22/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I reckon it will be a valuable product as there are many mushrooms selective in their preference of enviroment.

This would optimize and make enviromental variables much more accurate :thumbup:

Perhaps you could make it possible to add on extra sensors for those who want to take it another step aswell.


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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: Arp]
    #6600176 - 02/22/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I cant wait!!!:) Total Automation is only a couple weeks away:)


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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: Helge]
    #6602327 - 02/23/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Ive been looking for a low cost automation. I'm sure the market is more then ample to put forth the effort in making a lot of these kits. My main set back has been the interface with the computer. I'm not vary skilled yet with programming. It being open source would allow someone to make a nice GUI interface and add some e-mail options or text message your phone and give you a temp/hum report. I know if it were reasonably priced I would buy one. And if its wireless that would be amazing.


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    #6605174 - 02/24/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6605567 - 02/24/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

nice going, smotty :laugh:


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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: shirley knott]
    #6609943 - 02/25/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Nice, what chip burner are you using?

I bought a willems burner to use for burning tuned maps for my turbocharged honduh. It seems to be quite versatile though and I thought about using it for microcontroller programming as well.


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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: Jorsher]
    #6613219 - 02/26/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

In circuit programming is the way to go. Using a chip burner ends up being a hassle, especially for development, IMO.


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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: fastfred]
    #6613261 - 02/26/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'd buy one :laugh:


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    #6614612 - 02/26/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Automating your terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6615305 - 02/27/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i'd buy one, considering that the closest thing is for commercial hydroponics systems, and cost thousands of dollars.

how much are you thinking on selling those for??


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    #6616892 - 02/27/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6640451 - 03/06/07 05:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

not much more to say than great work!

with a little extra work, you could probably have this scalable to greenhouse or small commercial grow levels. e.g. you could add inputs for reading dissolved components in feed solutions and make the interface look fancy with some graphics. or you could add photodiode feedback so larger growers could get some measured feedback on bulb output. could improve the photodiode accuracy by sticking bits of filter over the sensor to remove most of what wasn't on the spectral absorption peaks of the plants. just thinking aloud....

Olimex seem to have pretty good prices on small scale PCB production. They're in a bit of a weird location, but I've ordered from them before and had no problems.


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    #6640971 - 03/06/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6641205 - 03/06/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I did find a PCB producer which meets my needs/budget, but with pcb's there would also be a bit more assembly required.

Lots of different types of sensors could theoretically be added, but at this point I'm focusing more on getting something finished that is for mycology-like purposes.

I'd like to make a version that runs independent of a PC. This would cut back costs for one thing.




Yeah, in a lot of ways I'd prefer something that didn't involve a PC.

For a stand alone unit you'd need to think about what you want to be variable and monitored.

One thing you'd probably want automated is air exchange, so the terranium is aerated through the day. You could do that by adding some sort of CO2 / O2 sensor. I did a quick google and found a CO2 sensor for around $20. http://www.futurlec.com/Gas_Sensors.shtml

But I mean, to save money, just roughly guessing at the fanning frequency would be fine. Everyone does it that way at the moment and it works okay. So you'd want an option for the number of fan on times per 24 hour cycle maybe, and how long each should run for.

Then you'd obviously want temperature. It'd be nice to have two preset buttons maybe. Then humidity and that should be about it, apart from maybe lighting, which you could even do a quick LED kit for or use some cold cathode lights.

One thing that would be cool is if the unit could function outside as well, so outdoor grows could have their humidity and temperature recorded maybe in a datalogger / warning mode. A cool sensor for that would be a couple of those water content probes you can get for plant pots that could be stuck into the grow area to monitor the soil and watch out for it getting too dry. Maybe you could even add a few at layers as you add the grow so's that water content in a 3D patch could be monitored.

Perhaps these temp/RH sensors are little too expensive, $30 is quite a bit. Maybe the lower humidity accuracy version would be okay. 95% 100%, I doubt the shrooms would be all that bothered. You could always build a bias into the humidifier circuit such that it stays on slightly longer than it should after reaching 100% humidity on the sensor to bias it towards a positive error. The only negative of that would be a slight increase in the possibility of puddling and slightly more energy use.


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    #6702483 - 03/23/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6704541 - 03/23/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

mmmmmm.... Automization:)


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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: Helge]
    #6704693 - 03/23/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6741633 - 04/03/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Poke Smot, can you tell use more information about the system?
I'm specifically curious about what humidity sensor you used in your design, what temperature sensor. That kind of thing.

I've been working on a similar automation unit myself, albeit using a PIC instead of atmel's AVR. I've been contemplating adding the same bluetooth chip into my design, but I haven't gotten around to it as of yet.

Anyway, it'd be great to get some more info,

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    #6745567 - 04/04/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6747416 - 04/04/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice work, poke smot!

It seems that this could be made cheaper by abandoning the arduino bt board, since that is a fairly expensive board. (I recall it being on the order of 140$ US at sparkfun)

Why did you choose this board? Ease of coding? Less hardware design? Both?

If the price could be brought down to within of the amateur, i'm sure it would be great for the community. It is possible to use the "regular" arduino board, which saves you about 100$.

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    #6749971 - 04/05/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #6796071 - 04/16/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

So, Poke Smot! any updates so far? How is the software coming along?

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    #6801905 - 04/17/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Looks pretty cool.. Hopefully everything works out for ya!!! looks like a ton of work!


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    #6820157 - 04/22/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #7286551 - 08/12/07 04:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I have a similar system , not 100% ready

Components you need

1: Olimex AVR-P28 (15$)
http://www.olimex.com/dev/

2: ATmega8 (3$)

3: SHT11 sensor (You can get a free sample)
http://www.sensirion.com/en/02_sensors/03_humidity/00_humidity_temperature_sensor/02_humidity_sensor_sht11.htm

4: rs232 cable

-- That will get you started (you will also need a programmer)
-- The program i run just measure temp/humid and prints that to a serial terminal
-- if temp gets over 30C a red led goes on.

Now you need some relays to control fans etc.

Why make it harder than it has to be?
If anyone wants the code (BASCOM-AVR) i will give it out for free.
I am putting up a site with full instructions how to make a CHEAP system that does the job =)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: kunghenke]
    #7287587 - 08/12/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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    #7292171 - 08/13/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #7354841 - 08/31/07 04:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Got a alpha version of the PC program ready.

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Still lots of things to do.

Next thing i will work on is a web cam interface to make time lapse movies =)

The program is coded in Delphi 7, this code is also open-source..

Thinking of putting it on sourceforge.

Will probably do a Linux version to =) Kylix is cool.

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    #7355379 - 08/31/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think you could add a CO2 monitor in order to activate fresh air intake?


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    #7356139 - 08/31/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Look at GGMM, it lists the preferences for each species. Typical range is 1000-2000ppm. The level varies with the part of the cycle you are in. It would have to trigger a plethora of outputs associated with taking in fresh air. At the very least; a fan, an in-duct fogger, and a chiller coil or heater.

I'd like a sensor for the spawn incubation room as well. One that can read up to 10000-20000ppm, or whatever OSHA says is the maximum.

I'm building a farm right now. Should be producing 500lb/month in a month or two. Expecting to scale up real fast. Should be producing 1000lbs/week in two years.


I know you want to make it open source, but someone else could patent what you are doing and then sue you in the future. With all the documentation you have with dates, you would likely succeed if you fought it... and all the legal fees you endured would have to be paid back. You could avoid any expense, easily, by getting a patent first.


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    #7358538 - 09/01/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Trademarks are free. If you name the product line you can get a trademark.


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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #7361648 - 09/02/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sending sms someone said.
Its possible , infact not even hard =)
Here in nice sweden i send sms free so hooking up a old 3310 to the server would be nice. That will be done after web-cam/time laps =)


http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html

There is the license i will release everything in. I think i will use v.2 of gpl...

By release everything under GPL nobody can "steal" your code and make money from it, well they can use the code but MUST release their code under GPL.

I got myself a web-cam today so here is a picture =)



Shouldn't be to hard to make time laps movies.
What will be a good interval?
1 minute, 10minutes?


The sht11 is very small. i didn't do that myself , my friend works at a mobile manufacture and they got just the right tools for small components. When i ordered the sht11 it took almost 2 weeks for me to get it, but my friend ordered a sample to work on a Thursday And got it Monday morning.

Tomorrow I'm free so i will just smoke bong and code =)
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    #7373341 - 09/06/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

OK they approved the project =)


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Its now in planning/design
Since my code is ugly (does it´s job) i decided to start from zero
This project is not only for growing mushrooms.
It can also be used to grow other things.
Be used to monitor frogs,snakes etc.

It should be modular built so you can use it as you want.

Anyone with coding skills or electronic skills can join as admins
Let´s all work together and make this work =)

As i see it we are a bunch of stoned lazy skilled people =)


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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #7376178 - 09/06/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wish I had enough going on to need one of these. One day...


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Re: Automating a terrarium [Re: poke smot!]
    #8766661 - 08/13/08 06:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

man ive been looking for something like this for ever. is it possible to get the schematics and maybe a walk through on how to do this it would be interesting to add other variables like high or low pressure and maybe temps from out side because all those things directly affect what goes on inside. great work though


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