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general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing?
    #6585443 - 02/19/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

so lets hear it


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: mikeytro]
    #6585490 - 02/19/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Sterilization requires the most expensive equipment, a pressure cooker. And keeping things sterile without one is hard so that is where my vote goes.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: fourstringbass]
    #6585526 - 02/19/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: soulsizzle]
    #6585551 - 02/19/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

based off my research thus far, the most difficult aspect of growing seems to be PATIENCE.

Patience to gather the right tools for sterilization.
Patience to let the sterilization process to complete.
Patience to let the incubation process to happen naturally.
Patience to not try to speed up the process with gimmickry and shenanigans (honestly, how often do you get to use that word, heh)

And most importantly the patience to understand that when you grow something, anything, that you are creating and nurturing life and that it is going to be as tempermental as it wants to be... regardless of how well you can follow instructions.

At least in my humble opinion... :shrug:


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: mycocurious]
    #6585614 - 02/19/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The most difficult part is sterile technique, but more important, WHEN to use sterile technique. New growers spend way too much time worrying about fruiting chambers, sterilizing the perlite, adding peroxide, filtering the air, etc., when none of that helps one whit. The place in my house that works best for placing terrariums is right by a big sliding glass door, and the entire frame and sheetrock paper all around it are completely covered in black mold. My terrariums sit less than 18" from sporulating black mold, yet it NEVER infects the cakes. Why? They were created in sterile conditions and allowed to colonize fully plus one week before birthing.

While folks are stressing out over being sterile where 'clean' is good enough, they do what should be done in a glovebox in an open bathroom or kitchen instead. Those are the two filthiest rooms in any house, teeming with e-coli and other fecal bacteria as well as penicillium and other molds from fruit, and nothing sterile should ever be in them. In short, the most research should go into proper sterile spawn generation techniques, and the second priority should be a good pinning strategy.
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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: mikeytro]
    #6585700 - 02/19/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

For me, since I started with grain right off the bat almost, was water content in the spawn. Would always end up with too wet, which sucks ass when dumping it out (puke). About a month ago I figured it out, simmering is not needed.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6585741 - 02/19/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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The most difficult part is sterile technique, but more important, WHEN to use sterile technique.




110% agree.

For new hands, sorting out the BS teks, from good ones is tough.
Only because there are tons of conflicting teks.

Other factors are judging when gathered h/poo, is weathered/leached enough to use.
Then, how to pasteurize it.
Adding wbs/grain spawn under cleanest possible conditions
(not that tough, if you plan ahead).
Beyond that is finding/making a casing mix that works for you.
Then, climate/Rh control & pinning.

Anyone with a decent PC & IQ over 40 can manage to get wbs/grain jars colonized.
Next step is getting a decent bulk substrate, properly prepared.
Then, casing, pinning & fruiting.

There are so many variables.
What works for "Tom, Dick, Joe & Jane", may not work for you.
Trick is to have/learn Patience.
Finding what does work for you.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6585751 - 02/19/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
The most difficult part is sterile technique, but more important, WHEN to use sterile technique. New growers spend way too much time worrying about fruiting chambers, sterilizing the perlite, adding peroxide, filtering the air, etc., when none of that helps one whit. The place in my house that works best for placing terrariums is right by a big sliding glass door, and the entire frame and sheetrock paper all around it are completely covered in black mold. My terrariums sit less than 18" from sporulating black mold, yet it NEVER infects the cakes. Why? They were created in sterile conditions and allowed to colonize fully plus one week before birthing.

While folks are stressing out over being sterile where 'clean' is good enough, they do what should be done in a glovebox in an open bathroom or kitchen instead. Those are the two filthiest rooms in any house, teeming with e-coli and other fecal bacteria as well as penicillium and other molds from fruit, and nothing sterile should ever be in them. In short, the most research should go into proper sterile spawn generation techniques, and the second priority should be a good pinning strategy.
RR




isnt it harmful to have a wall covered in mold?


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: zathan]
    #6585757 - 02/19/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

In all honesty, I havent had much difficulty, I have to say that it really helps to get as educated as possible before actually going into anything. This is the place to do it.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: mikeytro]
    #6585837 - 02/19/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Upgrading.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: TheFish]
    #6585918 - 02/19/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm at my first experiment but I'd say the waiting is killing me now!! :shocked:  But it worths the wait, for sure. :mushroom2:


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: Babylon2012]
    #6585960 - 02/19/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Pasturization sucks... i think that is very tedious


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6586307 - 02/19/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Oatman2000 said:
Pasturization sucks... i think that is very tedious




http://www.nesco.com/products/?category=700&subcat=500&id=75

Bought my Nesco countertop roaster.
For $10 @ a thrift store.
Bag up hydrated substrate.
Seal bags semi/closed with a rubber band.
Fill insert with bags.
Set it on low (150/160F), add lid & let it go overnight.
Next day, remove & seal bags tightly.
Cool overnight. Nothing tedious.

I think the lowest setting on the new models is 200F.
For those, you would need a rheostat, to achieve a lower temperature.

If you can find a restaurant size metal pot.
That a 5 gallon PP5 bucket will fit in.
(on top a trivet)
You can fill the PP5 bucket with substrate.
Set it on the trivet, in the pot.

Fill the pot with water.
(about an inch from the top, like a water jacket around the bucket)
Set the pot on a hot plate.
(may need bricks around the hot plate as pot support)
Turn on the hot plate, heat the water to 180F range.
Let it go 2 days.
Remove bucket, add lid & cool a day.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: agar]
    #6586347 - 02/19/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Patience is the toughest part (especially for the noob grower) Sterility would run somewhere in the top 2 as you only find out how sterile you truly were after (some) of your patience has paid off.

Its been a while since Ive been here and even longer since my last grow, but I think I am gonna fire up the ol PC again and run through it again (cause it was a neat exp)
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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: mikeytro]
    #6586373 - 02/19/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Waiting for the warm weather to come back.


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: TS10]
    #6586432 - 02/19/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

generating spawn IME


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Re: general survey to all the growers out there....most difficult aspect of growing? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6586654 - 02/19/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

RogerRabbit: You might ought to move, sounds like you may be in peril yourself before too long.


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