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fivepointer
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: leery11]
#6584843 - 02/19/07 11:01 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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leery11 said: I have sought out Christ and I have seen that he is a Jedi, that he is just some guy living in California, and he told me he wasn't what I thought he was... and that really, nothing is happening or has happened to me that would give me any "grace" or anything of that sort.
To most Christians it seems praying is enough, well I have prayed, and even considered it rational (and still may) but I do not have Christ-consciousness now, nor do I have grace, I just have the merits of my meditations and my yoga and my diet which make me happy, but I don't have some sort of kindling of holy spirit.
Where is it fivepointer? How can you be a believer if you don't belive? If he is LORD it should be made evident enough for every single person that turns open perhaps even one page of the Bible, or says simply even one prayer, thinking it a sound idea to believe in a savior.
And it is a sound idea, but only if it is true.
I am awaiting confirmation of the reality of Jesus Christ, but without that I have to rely on his messengers and I just don't seem to believe them honestly. [yes like you said, i have prayed to even be turned toward Christianity if it is true, and allowed to believe]
I do not believe that even Hitler deserves an eternity in hell, let alone a Buddhist monk who has attained nirvana, a little Muslim child who was poisoned against the "true" way, and all other sorts of things.
If the writers of the Bible think God just, I find it hard to fathom. If God is just then all ration and reason denote universal salvation and universal forgiveness for sins, with or without atonement.
You are awaiting confirmation. How does one know they are in Christ? First and foremost they believe the gospel. Not just any gospel, but the one and only gospel. Many "gospels" and "christs" abound today. But which one is true? How can you know? Today teachers are a dime a dozen, and almost all bring a false gospel. The Word is the only way to discern the true and false. Scripture tells us without faith it is impossible to please God. It also says faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Scripture says every believer is given the Holy Spirit, and they have witness in themselves they are children of God.
You have notions about who you think God is, and can not reconcile many doctrines in your mind. Even though you can not understand a particular doctrine at this time, just leave it open. Don't harden yourself against the truth. If and when God is pleased to open these things, then you will understand. Scripture says all who truly seek Him shall find Him. Most seek on their own terms, not God's terms. Suffer not the little children to come to Him, which means come without preconceptions, but as a child. Every aspect of salvation must be given from above, this includes trust, faith, the new heart, repentance, ect.. The friend who wants to borrow three loaves at midnight is only answered because of his importunity (which means shameless persistence). This is how salvation is also.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6585017 - 02/19/07 12:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fivepointer, care to tell us how you became a Christian? I doubt you became converted after someone approached you as judgmentally as you have approached us here on the Philosophy and Spirituality Boards.
This thread you have started is the reason so many people flee from Christianity. You (and many other Evangelicals) blatantly accuse strangers of being hell bound sinners, yet you provide no evidence to support your statements let alone your doctrine as a whole. You preach love and grace yet you practice exclusion and intolerance. While you may feel you're "doing God's will," you're nothing more than the antithesis of Christ. Where's the love?
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6585062 - 02/19/07 12:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll take my punishment like a man.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6585115 - 02/19/07 12:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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vigilant_mind said: Fivepointer, care to tell us how you became a Christian? I doubt you became converted after someone approached you as judgmentally as you have approached us here on the Philosophy and Spirituality Boards.
This thread you have started is the reason so many people flee from Christianity. You (and many other Evangelicals) blatantly accuse strangers of being hell bound sinners, yet you provide no evidence to support your statements let alone your doctrine as a whole. You preach love and grace yet you practice exclusion and intolerance. While you may feel you're "doing God's will," you're nothing more than the antithesis of Christ. Where's the love?
Good point.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6585140 - 02/19/07 12:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Judeo-Christians have been warning people of an immediately impending apocalypse for over 2,000 years. By now, the probability that it will happen tomorrow is so small that I can say "Fuck Jesus!" without a worry in my little heart.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: Ravus]
#6585161 - 02/19/07 12:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you happen to look at that website I linked to, fivepointer?
You really should take a look at it. It's really quite interesting.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6585191 - 02/19/07 01:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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God's Word declares all shall be brought before God in judgment.
Only the white mans Christian Bible states this as far as I know and there is no proofs anywhere that it is the word of God anymore than any other organized religion has a corner on the "word of God".
I myself from personal experience feel that this particular Christian myth is false and based in hatred and fear.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6585713 - 02/19/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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vigilant_mind said: Fivepointer, care to tell us how you became a Christian? I doubt you became converted after someone approached you as judgmentally as you have approached us here on the Philosophy and Spirituality Boards.
I was raised in a non-religious house. When I was little my mother was into Spiritualism with automatic writing and seances. Then she was into the Ruth Montgomery / Edgar Cayce prophesies. My siblings got into reincarnation eastern religion. Since I was small I went along with these things. from the time I was 10 to my conversion at age 35, which was 7 years ago, I renounced all religion and became 100% agnostic Prior to conversion I considered Christians to be deluded and foolish people, as well as all other religious people. Science was my rule, nothing else.
Later the world of psychedelics was explored with about 80 psilocybin 6g trips, salvia, dxm, ghb, nutmeg, alcohol, the usual suspects. What I got out of them was the possibility that maybe there is something more than just physical existence.
People were I work said I had to "accept Jesus". Asking questions of them never got me a straight answer. So I set on my quest to understand Christianity. After several months went by I eventually "accepted", and tried to be a Christian. According to them I was now "saved". I wasn't converted until 6 months later, so for six months I was a false professor, little did I know.
So I tried to be a Christian the best I could. I still didn't understand it really. Traveled to the bookstores hoping to find a book that would explain it, no luck. Listened to TV and radio preachers, this didn't do anything for me. I now know anyone on TV or radio is 99% of the time a false teacher. I was given a Bible but still didn't "get it". I tried to follow what I read the best I could. Something strange was happening, the more I tried to be a "Christian" the more I was going in the opposite direction. The more I tried to love my neighbor, the more I realized I actually despise and hate my neighbor. Eventually over about six weeks this got progressively worse. I kept thinking how could I be a "Christian" and have such wicked thoughts that just seemed to magnify. I become a totally lost ball of ruin. I was a lost wretch, and if I were to be sent to hell it would be what I deserved. At the time I didn't know what was happening to me. This was Holy Spirit conviction, I was being showed who I was, and who Christ was and what His righteousness is. From that point on I knew I was saved. It was like a weight was taken off me. From that point on I "got it", and when I read the Bible I understood what it was saying, like it was a whole new book.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. *DELETED* [Re: fivepointer]
#6585784 - 02/19/07 03:29 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6585791 - 02/19/07 03:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will never accept Jesus in to my heart. And I will never let the light shine on me so to speak. And when I die, I will be recycled. Just as you will be.
The greatest mysteries are still alive and well. A 5,000 year old book didn't slay them, and neither will your religious posturing.
I cast the out!
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6585792 - 02/19/07 03:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the Master tells the slave that he will secure mercy if the obeys without question and will be punished by death if he disobeys, that is not love or mercy and is still slavery. Your idea of God is someone who holds a gun to your head and tells you that you have a choice. There is no freedom or joy there. That is why I gave up my "salvation" as a Christian. I wanted to really learn what love was. I didn't want to be a slave to fear of damnation if I didn't do what I was told. I have never regretted that choice even though my family and church spent much time telling me of the terrors that awaited me.
Frankly your concept of the vengeful God seems evil and unconsciousness to me.:(
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6585827 - 02/19/07 03:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Imao I thought that too ha ha.
Moderator edit: Removed quotation of off-topic comment that has since been edited out of this thread.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6586016 - 02/19/07 04:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scripture says all who truly seek Him shall find Him.
who's scripture? didnt u just mention how none of the gospels are accurate? isn't that the same as scripture?
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: kotik]
#6586034 - 02/19/07 04:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol THIS was before he realized that he didn't believe the scriptures because he was in Holy Spirit conviction... Anyways this dude sounds like a bad Hollywood movie scenario. To the thread starter... don't you think that maybe you had this repulsion to the scripture because you were right to feel that way? And that the best way to find God is to follow what you truly feel, to listen to your intuition?
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6586151 - 02/19/07 04:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, Fivepointer, what exactly confirmed the validity of the Bible (let alone the existence of God) for you?
I consider myself to be a rational human being, so, maybe if your experience provides the sufficient evidence for the Bible's validity, you will be able to convert myself along with many other Shroomerites, as you have sought to in earnest.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: flower_child]
#6586200 - 02/19/07 05:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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flower_child said: Did you happen to look at that website I linked to, fivepointer?
You really should take a look at it. It's really quite interesting.
Seriously man, this really put things into perspective for me. It was in another member's signature. I'm really glad I saw it and I think you should see it too, whether you gain anything from it or not.
www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6586355 - 02/19/07 05:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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fivepointer said: God's Word declares all shall be brought before God in judgment. All who fall short of the righteous demands of the law shall be punished in the Lake of Fire.
You are given this warning and are also told that God is merciful. His mercy is shown in the fact that Jesus came and saved His people from their sin. You have heard the warnings yet you do not repent from wickedness. You cannot see yourself as a sinner, since your carnal mind can not comprehend itself to be wicked, and therefore can not see the need for salvation. You are secure in your own abilities in the spiritual realm, not realizing that your best spiritual works are a stench outside of Christ's perfect righteousness. You scoff when the Word declares you are spiritually dead and need to be born again. Part of your blindness is the fact you can't see your blindness. Christ came to seek are save the lost. Are you lost? If not you will not be sought or saved. Are you thirsting for righteousness? Only the thirsty are given the living waters. Are you heavy laden with sin? Only the laden are relieved. Have you come with nothing? Come with nothing and eat without price. Grace is sweet only for those in need of it. Oh how I hope that the Spirit might break you and show you sin and righteousness and judgment. Only then can the gospel shine into your heart.
That's not a good way to convince these people of something. You have to offer food and sex to make them listen.
Can you offer them food and sex? No, so give it up. The truth will not go anyway, it will be there all the time.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: snakefinder]
#6586366 - 02/19/07 05:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's proposing an idea for discussion that is philosophical/spiritual in nature. Naturally, there will be ideas and perspectives that not everyone cares for.
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fireworks_god]
#6586449 - 02/19/07 06:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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thank you for sharing fivepointer, Why do you think your revelation was the only way though? You penetrated through the Bible to its Source, whatever that is right, why did the Source only author one book, if you know what I am inquiring.
Buddhism teaches all the same things that Christianity does, except it does not say that you will fair badly if you do not become a Buddhist, it tells you it is a dangerous snake to be handled with care and treated with skeptical inquiry.
Why do you think every single person with good intention or bad will literally be thrown into a lake of fire?
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
#6586545 - 02/19/07 06:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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What shall be your excuse?
Hey, five pointer are you implying that god is going to give us a chance to make an exuse as we are judged?
Or, is it a rhetorical question intended to grab the attention of the audience?
If it is the latter, this strikes me as a very cynical ploy by one filled with the Holy Spirit.
If it is the former, are you implying that god is a sadist?
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