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Offlinefivepointer
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What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come.
    #6583217 - 02/18/07 09:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

God's Word declares all shall be brought before God in judgment. All who fall short of the righteous demands of the law shall be punished in the Lake of Fire.

You are given this warning and are also told that God is merciful. His mercy is shown in the fact that Jesus came and saved His people from their sin. You have heard the warnings yet you do not repent from wickedness. You cannot see yourself as a sinner, since your carnal mind can not comprehend itself to be wicked, and therefore can not see the need for salvation. You are secure in your own abilities in the spiritual realm, not realizing that your best spiritual works are a stench outside of Christ's perfect righteousness. You scoff when the Word declares you are spiritually dead and need to be born again. Part of your blindness is the fact you can't see your blindness. Christ came to seek are save the lost. Are you lost? If not you will not be sought or saved. Are you thirsting for righteousness? Only the thirsty are given the living waters. Are you heavy laden with sin? Only the laden are relieved. Have you come with nothing? Come with nothing and eat without price. Grace is sweet only for those in need of it. Oh how I hope that the Spirit might break you and show you sin and righteousness and judgment. Only then can the gospel shine into your heart.

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583222 - 02/18/07 09:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

dont you think that obedience by fear isnt very wholesome?


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  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583250 - 02/18/07 09:36 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You need not fear Hell. From your words I see that you already inhabit it.


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583255 - 02/18/07 09:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What will be your excuse when your ignorance consumes you and destroys you from the inside?


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: Silversoul]
    #6583278 - 02/18/07 09:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

idk dude ignorance is bliss sometimes.


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Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: daytripper23]
    #6583296 - 02/18/07 09:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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daytripper23 said:
idk dude ignorance is bliss sometimes.



In the short term, yes. In the long run, it will destroy you.


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583347 - 02/18/07 10:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

BTW fivepointer, haven't you espoused the doctrine of predestination before? Why should I need an excuse when my ultimate fate is already predistined?


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583762 - 02/19/07 01:14 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Not enough evidence.


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583940 - 02/19/07 02:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Excuse for what?

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fivepointer said:
God's Word declares all shall be brought before God in judgment. All who fall short of the righteous demands of the law shall be punished in the Lake of Fire.



He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sakes.


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6583980 - 02/19/07 02:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Worship of God out of fear of hell is neither sincere nor genuine love for God

I disagree largely with your theological stance


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: daytripper23]
    #6584072 - 02/19/07 03:42 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6584076 - 02/19/07 03:47 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Dude I really feel sorry for you, it must suck to live in fear...


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6584380 - 02/19/07 06:21 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Many on this board have made statements that I worship God out of fear of hell. This is a misconception. The gospel is good news, which declares mercy and forgiveness. The law with its demands and punishments can never again accuse a believer. Every sin, past, present, and future has been put away in Christ's blood forever. We are unconditionally loved and reconciled, we serve/worship out of thanksgiving, not out of fear. Godly fear is a reverential fear, an awe inspired fear, not a fear of punishment.

The Lake of Fire gets hotter and hotter with every passing sin. How long shall you ignore the warnings that God has given? The law is your accuser, it has no mercy. Turn and believe the gospel. But you say, “I can’t turn”. Well then ask that you may be given the ability to turn. You say, “I can’t believe”, ask that you might be given belief. Repent and believe the gospel and you shall be saved!

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6584391 - 02/19/07 06:30 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

If God gave us his unconditional love, he would give each of us a place in heaven by his side, no matter what, not hand out eternal punishment. If he were omnipotent, yet merciful, there would be no suffering, but there clearly is. Therefore i conclude that your God either does'nt exist, is'nt how you think he is or is just not worthy of worship by anyone, for he lacks in the virtuous qualities of compassion. Either way, he is insignificant to my path.


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: Sinbad]
    #6584443 - 02/19/07 07:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com

Click the lake of fire.


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Offlineleery11
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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: flower_child]
    #6584483 - 02/19/07 07:44 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have sought out Christ and I have seen that he is a Jedi, that he is just some guy living in California, and he told me he wasn't what I thought he was... and that really, nothing is happening or has happened to me that would give me any "grace" or anything of that sort.

To most Christians it seems praying is enough, well I have prayed, and even considered it rational (and still may) but I do not have Christ-consciousness now, nor do I have grace, I just have the merits of my meditations and my yoga and my diet which make me happy, but I don't have some sort of kindling of holy spirit.

Where is it fivepointer? How can you be a believer if you don't belive? If he is LORD it should be made evident enough for every single person that turns open perhaps even one page of the Bible, or says simply even one prayer, thinking it a sound idea to believe in a savior.

And it is a sound idea, but only if it is true.

I am awaiting confirmation of the reality of Jesus Christ, but without that I have to rely on his messengers and I just don't seem to believe them honestly.
[yes like you said, i have prayed to even be turned toward Christianity if it is true, and allowed to believe]

I do not believe that even Hitler deserves an eternity in hell, let alone a Buddhist monk who has attained nirvana, a little Muslim child who was poisoned against the "true" way, and all other sorts of things.

If the writers of the Bible think God just, I find it hard to fathom. If God is just then all ration and reason denote universal salvation and universal forgiveness for sins, with or without atonement.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (02/19/07 07:48 AM)

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: leery11]
    #6584684 - 02/19/07 09:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

My excuse will be that I didnt believe in any of it. I know that ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law, but Im sure if the shit hits the fan and it turns out God does exist, that he/she/it will show his/her/its glorious compassion and install me on a cloud alongside the rest of the good guys.


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6584700 - 02/19/07 09:54 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"your best spiritual works are a stench outside..." of Love and Compassion !


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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6584784 - 02/19/07 10:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
Many on this board have made statements that I worship God out of fear of hell. This is a misconception. The gospel is good news, which declares mercy and forgiveness. The law with its demands and punishments can never again accuse a believer. Every sin, past, present, and future has been put away in Christ's blood forever. We are unconditionally loved and reconciled, we serve/worship out of thanksgiving, not out of fear. Godly fear is a reverential fear, an awe inspired fear, not a fear of punishment.

The Lake of Fire gets hotter and hotter with every passing sin. How long shall you ignore the warnings that God has given? The law is your accuser, it has no mercy. Turn and believe the gospel. But you say, “I can’t turn”. Well then ask that you may be given the ability to turn. You say, “I can’t believe”, ask that you might be given belief. Repent and believe the gospel and you shall be saved!




Dude, I don't believe in any gospel. And becoming one with God is total libertion, no fear there, not even "reverential fear" whatever that means to you...
"Love is the law, love under will"


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

Edited by MushroomTrip (02/19/07 11:47 AM)

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Re: What shall be your excuse? You have been warned of the judgment to come. [Re: fivepointer]
    #6584839 - 02/19/07 11:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I would blame people like you.

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