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    #6567134 - 02/14/07 02:24 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: lorbitherize]
    #6567339 - 02/14/07 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Waste of power. Floro lights are good for cuttings and seedlings (and to tell the truth I don't even like em for seedlings). 270 watts = 17000 lumens

250 watts MH light = 23000 lumens

250 watts HPS light = 29000 lumens

Plus the light from these bulbs is gonna penetrate the plants better. When you get a foot or more away from a floro they are pretty much useless. never seen buds grown under floro's and haven't thought "it would have been so much better if grown with the right light"


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Re: Indoor Garden *DELETED* [Re: Magash]
    #6567583 - 02/14/07 04:24 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: lorbitherize]
    #6568405 - 02/14/07 07:46 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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lorbitherize said:
There are a few aspects of fluorescents that I admire. The first
is their low cost (30w = 3.50)... and then there is the matter
of their 5000k color temperature - nearly daylight. Metal halide
and HPS lamps do indeed offer a greater level of illumination,
but are normally bound somewhere in between 2000 and 4200k, kind
of on the orangish side. Another thing is that fluorescents produce
very little heat.

Normally, the problem with fluorescent lights is the way they're
designed - longitudinally, like bars. Their brightest area is
in the middle of the tube - becoming exponentially dimmer towards
each end. Great for office buildings, bad for even growth.
Speaking of even - Even with MH / HPS systems, the lights must
still be positioned relatively close to as many photosynthetic
plant cells as possible, which can be problematic with the levels
of heat they can generate - or so I'm told.

The great thing about spiraled compact fluorescent tubes is that
they provide nearly the same amount of light per device at
substantially lower cost (and physical size) compared to linear
tubes, and their output is very consistent.

I was considering small-scale kava propogation. There's a whole
lot of deer around here, and they eat whatever is sitting outside.
Last year I cultivated a Habanero plant... it was covered in
peppers and they ate the WHOLE THING.

Now that I think about it, tobacco might be a little more
reasonable place to start, as it's more endogeneous to the
Northern Hemisphere..




I suggest you take Magash's advice. He knows what hes talking about. I have some friends who use floros for most growths. Even things like the T5 - T8 dont really work so well. They will do ok, but your best results will come from MH/HPS. Like Magash said the MH/HPS will penetrate light much deeper and help you get better veg growth.


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    #6568825 - 02/14/07 09:19 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: lorbitherize]
    #6568921 - 02/14/07 09:42 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

penetration as in stronger light penetrates to the lower parts of the plants...
with flouro its only the tops of the plants that recieve adequate light.


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: lorbitherize]
    #6569124 - 02/14/07 10:48 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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lorbitherize said:
I think I'm beginning to understand all this now... when you guys
say that HID penetrates deeper, are you meaning to say that there is
more reflective light VS with fluoro where the majority of light
is diffuse? The way I was kind of thinking about it was, with
the using of multiple compact fluoro lights in a patterned arrangement
instead of a single powerful beam, a greater surface area would be
covered - what with all the various nooks and crannies present in
a typical leafy plant capable of producing shadows...




Like Magash & uare said floros generally put light on the top of the plant, while HID's penetrate light much lower onto the plant (as well as the top) allowing the plant to get much more light, which will also help the plants with better growth. Like Magash said floros are best for starting plants. Also, since your planning on somewhat an indoor garden area, HID's (hps/mh) also cover more area much easier. I also learned (from Magash) that you'll have the best results from about 50w per square foot. Floros dont put out a strong enough amount of light to do a very good job during veg and usually their not the right spectrum of light. I know they have growing floro bulbs but they still are not very strong or efficient.


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6569151 - 02/14/07 10:54 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)




  I have a 2 bulb 2x overdriven t8 hanging from each side of a 4 bulb t5 unit
  I get 3 feet of penetration with lush growth to the bottom
  you can overdrive t8s by a much as 4x
  I havent flowered under it but I bet it would rock out a mad sog  :crazy2:
  never saw any cfl grows look this healthy


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: cpw1971]
    #6569181 - 02/14/07 11:00 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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  I have a 2 bulb 2x overdriven t8 hanging from each side of a 4 bulb t5 unit
  I get 3 feet of penetration with lush growth to the bottom
  you can overdrive t8s by a much as 4x
  I havent flowered under it but I bet it would rock out a mad sog  :crazy2:
  never saw any cfl grows look this healthy




Beautiful grow for floros. :thumbup: I'v always used HPS, had some experence with a T5 and was somewhat dissapointed. Now if I can I try to use MH/veg HPS/flowering


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: ShroomOmatic]
    #6569674 - 02/15/07 02:09 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

what is an overdriven flouro? by t/5 and t/8 you mean the tube size right?


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: kadakuda]
    #6569700 - 02/15/07 02:25 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Let me put it this way

This is 2000 watts of HID light over a 4 x 8 space each one is the size of a baseball bat. How many T-5s or T-8s or tubes or what ever kind of floro light you like is it gonna take to pull this off. Gonna take over 7000 watts of floro light to pull of something even remotely close and that will be with a bunch of floro's all spread out and you still wouldn't have the light penetrate the plant canopy.


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: kadakuda]
    #6569707 - 02/15/07 02:27 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

heres a couple pics my cool cat gave me of his floro grow from about 5 years ago. he was using 6 floro tubes. He wasn't impressed with the yeild but his cool cat friends liked the product.:grin:
If the cool cat ever grows again he will go out doors or use MH or HPS lights







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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: wookie]
    #6570096 - 02/15/07 09:06 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Magash  you are right and your the man :thumbup:
  I use a 1000 hps for flowering myself
  but... I can bet that if I tried that my flouro setup could yield me enough for my own personal use for eveyday
  also  if you look at my first pic  the leaves all the way down are healthy and green.  they are in 2 gallon pots and are a little over a foot tall.  they were also 2 feet from the flouros.
  one thing I noticed about penetration......
  light wont penetrate leaves themselves.  if you have big wide leaves not even a 1000 watt bulb will penetrate  to the bottom.  also ususally not many big buds grow on the bottom anyways no matter what light they recieve.
    nowdays I clip the bottom growth or take clones and let the uppper buds grow bigger.


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: cpw1971]
    #6570289 - 02/15/07 10:21 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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Magash  you are right and your the man :thumbup:
  I use a 1000 hps for flowering myself
  but... I can bet that if I tried that my flouro setup could yield me enough for my own personal use for eveyday
  also  if you look at my first pic  the leaves all the way down are healthy and green.  they are in 2 gallon pots and are a little over a foot tall.  they were also 2 feet from the flouros.
  one thing I noticed about penetration......
  light wont penetrate leaves themselves.  if you have big wide leaves not even a 1000 watt bulb will penetrate  to the bottom.  also ususally not many big buds grow on the bottom anyways no matter what light they recieve.
    nowdays I clip the bottom growth or take clones and let the uppper buds grow bigger.




Sounds like the way to go Bro! I've seen some of your work too and it looks very nice! Another thing that could help with the width issue with light penetrating down deeper, would be SOG. Of course not everyone uses this method or likes this method. I just figure it would help quite a bit. Your also right, Magash is the MAN! :yesnod:


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: ShroomOmatic]
    #6572471 - 02/15/07 08:48 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

im partial to t-8 overdriven i was turned on by a fellow over at a different forum. mostly into fluoro because the price and expendibilty of the ballasts and bulbs. also the color temp issue was brought up earlier.




this set up was (4) 4 bulb ballast @ 32 watts at 2 levels. it did achieve a gram/watt in soil which got my attention.



this is not to mention only one level was flower'd. i think a simlar garden could be econmical high yielding and perpetual if done right.


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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: sketchydelux]
    #6576467 - 02/16/07 10:35 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

nice man I am gonna try to use mine for flowering now.
  1 gram per watt is pretty damn good man  :thumbup:











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Re: Indoor Garden [Re: cpw1971]
    #6576885 - 02/17/07 12:40 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

another few things to consider....
    a t5 bulb puts out 5000 lumens
  a 4 bulb t5 puts out 20,000 lumens
  a 2x overdriven t8 seems to me just as bright as a t5
    my fixture must be putting out around 40,000 lumens and using around  350 to 400 watts in a space of 4 foot x 2 foot
  when the light is not just coming from a small spot such as a hps bulb it seems to penetrate pretty well because the light is coming from many angles instead of just getting blocked by a big fan leaf.
  just look at my side pics.  those bottom leaves are nice and green and theres tons of them.
  I would like to do a side by side of my unit against a 400 hps.
  also I would like to note that without the t8s on the side the t5 seems dim  "same goes for the t8s"
  but once they are all on together it floods all below

  also I could probably do a sog of clones  in 20 oz solo cups and have 150 or so coke bottle sized buds I bet :wink::thumbup: 


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