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razmablues
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The Human Society & Nature
#6569532 - 02/15/07 12:54 AM (17 years, 20 days ago) |
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There are numerous things that have boggled me over the course of the years, but none as much as the following:
I always seem to relate things in life to an animalistic sense, is this natural order? is this evolution? is this not supposed to happen by means of nature?
There is much kindness, evil, corruption, and generosity in human society, but are all of our products "natural" or not?
Most people don't think of cities; san francisco, los angeles, new york, chicago, as being very "natural" places, but how is not? I know it is not created by the basic components of nature, but manmade substances.
Man is part of nature, and would his creation not be considered part of it? Have we gone off the "right" course of natural order? atomic bombs, skyscrapers, guns, airplanes, etc.
I personally think man has overdeveloped for its own good, and this will eventually lead to its downfall, but i consider it all still "natural".
I wanna hear others thoughts on this and looking forward to replies
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Re: The Human Society & Nature [Re: razmablues]
#6570373 - 02/15/07 10:58 AM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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I am riddling with that myself and my conclusion so far: The same thing, that gives us free will, makes us do real evil but perhaps also real good. And that is our ability of mental separation with nature ([non-human]surroundings and the moment). That, what makes us distinct from plants and animals, where evolution led us, our human 'potential' and that, what lets us explore the spiritual realm itself, which may be the realm from which this is 'caused'...
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Re: The Human Society & Nature [Re: razmablues]
#6570834 - 02/15/07 01:47 PM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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We've come a long way, we came from living so close to nature, now we are in mass and we can build globally. We've expanded the globe! Nature is still all around us. Yet we have built mass roads, railways, houses. We do take up a lot of space and I don't think we will change much, we could live closer to nature if we wanted. Live in eco-type housing, grow our own food. If we wanted we could run everything off of batteries and solar, wind power and other types of power. We can build eco-friendly cars. 100 mpg if we wanted.
But society is built on consumption. We are consumers. We thrive on natural things.
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Re: The Human Society & Nature [Re: razmablues]
#6570918 - 02/15/07 02:12 PM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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a few months ago, I would've said it is wrong, and unnatural.
Now, I am seeing it as a progression. If other animals developed the way we have, I'm sure they would do something similar, possibly more or less destructive to the environment around them.
For me, though, I know this current way of life is not right, and I will be leaving it asap.
And the reason you think about it in an animalistic sense is because...you are an animal
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Re: The Human Society & Nature [Re: razmablues]
#6572333 - 02/15/07 08:21 PM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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its interesting to see this, as i was thinking about it just today..
perhaps in a different context, but what is human nature? you speak of kindness, generosity, evil and corruption.. some say it is human nature to want what you cannot have, or in my case, to feel hurt when an ex lover finds new love..
but is this truly human nature, or an animalistic thought form coming because yes, we are animals..
but we are so much more as well.. i dont feel like "I" am this body, yet this body is certainly an animal.
the "I" that I feel is truly me, is the consiousness that I see as an everliving continuity, when this body dies I do not see my self going with it..
so i wonder, what is programmed in this body, and what comes from my actual psyche..
is it natural to kill each other? or is this some animalistic feedback that we feel we must dominate our surroundings to be able to survive..
im not sure where i am going with this.. collecting thoughts and verbalizing them is something i am still learning..
but i do wonder, what is "natural", is it an earth based thought form? are these animalistic thoughts something earth based, and we have access to non-earth based thoughts..
heh maybe im getting to out there for this discussion, ill stop for now
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Re: The Human Society & Nature [Re: razmablues]
#6572367 - 02/15/07 08:31 PM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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There is no such distinction as "natural" and "unnatural", and there is no way that things are "supposed to happen". Thats all a linguistic construction, handed down by churches and what not. Pretty much anything is possible. We should not be restricted in what we may make of ourselves and our world by those arbitrary sorts of concepts/considerations.
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Re: The Human Society & Nature [Re: razmablues]
#6572422 - 02/15/07 08:40 PM (17 years, 19 days ago) |
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This is funny to read. I talked to my brother on the phone a couple hours ago and we discussed this.
I think it is natural. I used points such as termite mounds, or even snake's venom. The former is far more applicable here I suppose since the venom of a snake is made in their bodies.
While on the base it may seem to be far more "natural" than anything humans create, I don't think it's any different. Our constructs may be much more complex, but it still something that is developed. I don't think anything CAN'T be natural. Why should a termite's mound, that they have to take the time to construct out of outside sources, be any different than skyscrapers we have to develop. Just because the things we make are on a totally different level as far as complexity, it's still something that a part of nature is making.
I suppose I've basically said the same thing over and over again, but I don't really know how else to explain, I have always viewed things in this way, ever since I was a little kid. I only use the distinction of "man made" to describe things that happen by what most would consider nature. Like a building is man made, since humans made it, and a termites mound is not, since humans didn't make it, but they are both equally natural.
So yeah, that's my view on it.
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