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Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life
    #6568260 - 02/14/07 07:07 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10424086

By Jarrod Booker

BZP was found in Ben Rodden's system.
A mother whose son is fighting for his life after taking party pills wants to see them banned.

Ben Rodden, 23, became seriously ill after taking Torque, a brand of party pills available over the counter, to keep him alert while he was deejaying at an all-night weekend rave in Greymouth.

About 3am on Sunday he started shaking and sweating uncontrollably and "quickly went downhill".

"I don't know how many he took. Only he knows that," said his mother, Wendy Rodden. "I just think they should be banned. But what happens then? They go underground? They are just not good for the kids."

Mr Rodden remained in an induced coma yesterday in Christchurch Hospital's intensive care unit, after being flown from Greymouth. He may have permanent damage to his liver and kidneys.

The controversial party pill ingredient benzylpiperazine (BZP) was found in his system, as was caffeine. It is unclear if he took anything else, but his mother said doctors at Christchurch Hospital did not find alcohol in his system.


"They say he is young and he can heal. We have just got to wait and see," Mrs Rodden said.

"It's very traumatic. His brothers are taking it very hard. It's tough for the extended family as well - they are all gutted."

The chairman of the ministerial committee on drugs, Jim Anderton, said several studies and reports from New Zealand health researchers outlined the "real and potential harm" caused by party pills containing BZP.

"While there have been no recorded deaths attributed solely to the use of BZP, we know that severe adverse effects from the use of party pills occur unpredictably and that the seizures which have been recorded have the potential to kill. Everyone should know that."

Professor Mike Ardagh, a specialist at Christchurch Hospital's emergency department, said the hospital saw regular cases of people unwell after taking party pills.

Symptoms ranged from agitation and paranoia to seizures and even more serious results such as that suffered by Mr Rodden.

The Social Tonics Association (Stanz), which represents the party pill industry, said a ban was the wrong approach.

Stanz has suggested regulations and a safety code to govern the manufacture, sale and use of party pills. These included a restriction on the amount of BZP in a tablet, and a requirement for health warnings on packaging.

"Prohibition has never worked, not in any country and not at any time, and will not work in New Zealand either," said Stanz chairman Matt Bowden. "It will simply deliver the market to the gangs, and to hard drugs like P.

"BZP was designed as a stimulant which, unlike P, is not addictive and does not provoke violent or criminal behaviour."

National MP Jacqui Dean said Mr Anderton was sitting on his hands.

"Here we have a young man on life support, while worried doctors in Christchurch are watching rising numbers of party pill users end up in hospital. What is it going to take for the minister to act?"


Ban moves

* The Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs has recommended the Government make common ingredients in party pills, such BZP, phenylpiperazines and related piperazines, illegal because of the risk of harm.

* The matter is open to the public to comment on until next month.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568351 - 02/14/07 07:31 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

So it's the governments job to be your babysitter? Take care of yourself, prohibition is not the answer.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568401 - 02/14/07 07:45 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Don't you think that someone who's 23 is a little old to have his mommy campaigning for him to be babysat?


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568487 - 02/14/07 08:06 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Why aren't they banning caffeine too if that was in the pills as well? I hate how one person that dies after taking a drug due to overdose or psychological affects makes it illegal for everyone. We should ban alcohol, cars, and bicycles as well.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568525 - 02/14/07 08:15 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Ban Wendy Rodden from life. Yes, you heard me. Ban Wendy Rodden from life. She is harmful to other human beings' natural rights to alter their consciousness and there is no other solution for this problem than to ban Wendy Rodden from life.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568611 - 02/14/07 08:31 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Seriously, the whole thing is retarded. Where are all the articles on someone who had to get their stomach pumped out from overdosing on alcohol, or worse yet, ended up in a coma. Before the whole uproar over BZP, the paper wouldn't have even bothered printing it. But now that they want to push an agenda, you can bet your sweet arse they'll subtly try to influence how we SHOULD think on this subject.

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"I don't know how many he took. Only he knows that," said his mother, Wendy Rodden. "I just think they should be banned. But what happens then? They go underground? They are just not good for the kids."




Drugs aren't good for kids, but your son isn't a kid. He's 23 years old and he's more than capable of making his own decisions. In this case, his decision failed him so only HE should be held responsible for that. I don't think mixing caffiene with BZP did him much good. Not to mention most chemicals we ingest simply aren't good for us. We know the risks, the hazards and all the downfalls. But we all make our own minds up whether we wish to take that risk.

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National MP Jacqui Dean said Mr Anderton was sitting on his hands.

"Here we have a young man on life support, while worried doctors in Christchurch are watching rising numbers of party pill users end up in hospital. What is it going to take for the minister to act?"




Yeah, it's amazing how we never see anymore MDMA, heroin, speed, etc hospital admissions because it's illegal... Thank you prohibition for saving our children.

Typical emotional knee jerk response. PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILRDEN!!!11 Let's not forget that banning BZP won't automatically make it vanish from NZ restoring peace, tranquility and drug free weekends for our vulnerable children. No, the hospitals will just go back to worrying about the consistant amount of alcohol related admissions meanwhile someone with no concern for purity and standard dosage will step into the market making himself a VERY nice profit.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568622 - 02/14/07 08:32 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

haha lil baby


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: cookeman]
    #6568635 - 02/14/07 08:35 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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cookeman said:
Why aren't they banning caffeine too if that was in the pills as well? I hate how one person that dies after taking a drug due to overdose or psychological affects makes it illegal for everyone. We should ban alcohol, cars, and bicycles as well.




I don't think the pills had caffiene in them. More likely he drank some caffiene on the side AND took some BZP. But yeah, I hate that too and I've seen it happen to a lot of legal drugs that AREN'T alcohol, caffiene or tobacco. One dipshit killed himself (and the parents blamed Salvia), next minute there were cries for a nationwide ban on Salvia. Thousands of people a year kill themselves on a wide range of legal (but socially acceptable) substances. But I guess that's not interesting enough for the papers.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6568947 - 02/14/07 09:50 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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Sheepish said:
"Prohibition has never worked, not in any country and not at any time, and will not work in New Zealand either," said Stanz chairman Matt Bowden. "It will simply deliver the market to the gangs, and to hard drugs like P.

"BZP was designed as a stimulant which, unlike P, is not addictive and does not provoke violent or criminal behaviour."







WTF is P? They never even explain it lmao.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6569041 - 02/14/07 10:23 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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Sheepish said:
The Social Tonics Association (Stanz), which represents the party pill industry,




That's awesome!


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: AKSE]
    #6569447 - 02/15/07 12:13 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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WTF is P? They never even explain it lmao.




P is what they call meth down under.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: HighGuy]
    #6569514 - 02/15/07 12:43 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Another sucker bites the dust.... I almost shed a tear. I don't like to be so remorseless, but do any of these people think at all about what they are ingesting? Apparently not.... I could make this post go on for years; this is a major pet peave of mine. All I've got to say about this topic is that prohibition is only scaring off people who have had accidents like this, and probably would be in no serious harm if they reached a hospital immediately. But nooooo, the law has to interfere, Leading to snitching in fear of arrest and then everyones fun is swiped.

Besides, a lot of the shit people go to the hospital for after psychadelic ingestions is nothing physicall, they are just afraid they are going to be stuck in a permanent psychosis and want the toxins out of their system. Of course this is far less lethal than someone who just slammed a liter of grey goose - smaller people would be toast after this, but this is acceptable in our society? I've wanted to infintely puke since I started researching about prohibition...


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6570315 - 02/15/07 10:32 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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banning BZP won't automatically make it vanish from NZ restoring peace, tranquility and drug free weekends for our vulnerable children. No, the hospitals will just go back to worrying about the consistent amount of alcohol related admissions meanwhile someone with no concern for purity and standard dosage will step into the market making himself a VERY nice profit.



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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6572046 - 02/15/07 07:09 PM (17 years, 11 days ago)

http://stuff.co.nz/3963325a11.html

Party pill overdoses jump, but still 'rare'
By PATRICK CREWDSON - The Dominion Post | Friday, 16 February 2007

Party pill overdoses have increased sharply, but are rare compared with other drug overdoses and tend to happen when mixed with alcohol or other narcotics, new research suggests.


A study in today's New Zealand Medical Journal analysing three years of overdose data from Auckland City Hospital comes as the anxious parents of a Greymouth DJ who collapsed after taking party pills at a dance party wait to see if he will be left with permanent damage.

Ben Rodden, 23, is in an induced coma in Christchurch Hospital.

Tests show he had consumed benzylpiperazine (BZP), the main ingredient in party pills, and caffeine. He had also been drinking beer before he collapsed, shaking uncontrollably, early Sunday morning.

His mother, Wendy Rodden, said yesterday he could also have taken a party pill containing traces of the class A drug ecstasy.

The new survey, by researchers Lynn Theron, Karl Jansen and Jennifer Miles, found that in 2004, 21 people arrived at Auckland City Hospital having overdosed on party pills such as Frenzy, Rapture, or Charge.

That was up from four overdoses the previous year and just one in 2002.

But despite that "significant increase", 21 overdoses in a year was small when compared with the estimated 200,000 tablets consumed each month, they said.

Overall, party pills ranked as the fourth most common identified cause of overdoses in 2004, behind alcohol (60.9 per cent), fantasy/GHB (6.4 per cent) and amphetamines (3.7 per cent).

"These results lead towards a conclusion that the impact on the emergency department over these years was relatively small," the researchers concluded.

In 81 per cent of cases, alcohol or another drug - including ecstasy, P, nitrous oxide, and cannabis - had also been taken.

The most common complaints were anxiety, palpitations, nausea and vomiting. The most common treatment was simply reassuring the patient.

Others were treated with intravenous fluids or given Diazepam for anxiety.

Only one patient - who took three pills and nine drinks of alcohol and had reflux gastritis - was admitted.

The research contrasts with a similar study from Christchurch in 2005 that showed a 50 per cent admission rate and a 15 per cent seizure rate for party pill overdoses.

Matt Bowden, of the Social Tonic Association, said the pills available in Christchurch at that time were more potent than in Auckland, where the industry was self-regulating more effectively.

Mr Bowden said the survey was evidence that adverse effects from party pills could be minimised if the industry was regulated rather than shut down.




"His mother, Wendy Rodden, said yesterday he could also have taken a party pill containing traces of the class A drug ecstasy. "

Huh? Yeah, that's gotta be the explanation! Those pesky legal drug manufacturers are sneaking in illegal substances into those pills! I think Wendy Rodden should keep her mouth shut before she embarrasses herself any further. Her son is probably going to be pissed with her for those idiotic comments.


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Re: Ban party pills - Mother's plea as son fights for life [Re: Sheepish]
    #6572131 - 02/15/07 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 days ago)

http://stuff.co.nz/3963331a11.html

Second party pill victim in care
By BECK ELEVEN - The Press | Friday, 16 February 2007

The 23-year-old disc jockey who lies in an induced coma at Christchurch Hospital is the second party pill victim to end up in intensive care in as many weeks.


Yesterday, The Press published a photo of Greymouth man Ben Rodden lying in critical condition in the intensive care unit at Christchurch Hospital.

He was flown to the hospital on Monday after taking the party pill Torque at an all-night rave in Greymouth. He had collapsed with breathing difficulties.

Rodden's initial toxicology results show traces of benzylpiperazine (BZP), the active ingredient in party pills, and caffeine. Further results are expected in a few days.

Christchurch emergency physician Paul Gee said a 19-year-old girl had been admitted to the unit a week before Rodden after taking pills containing BZP.

"And we're not yet sure what kind of recovery she's going to make," he said.

The girl is out of intensive care but remains at the hospital.

Rodden's parents, Wendy and Kevin, went public with graphic video images of their son to show party pill users the potential results of a night on the legal high.

"We're just hoping to shock these kids out of doing this rubbish. We've had lots of feedback from his friends saying the kids are just crying over there (Greymouth). Well, good. If it stops them, then good," Wendy Rodden said.

Research released in today's New Zealand Medical Journal show party pills had a "minor impact" in relation to overdoses treated at Auckland City Hospital from 2002 to 2004.

In 2002, one out of 1425 overdoses were attributed to party pills, by 2004 that number had risen to 21 (out of 1329) admissions.

Alcohol caused the most overdose admissions.

Amphetamine overdoses accounted for 3.7% of admissions in 2004 and party pills 1.6%.

Gee said overdose results for 2005 and 2006, when the party pill phenomenon took off, had not yet been analysed and he expected to see an increase.

"Advocates claimed BZP would displace illicit drug use but there has been no change," he said.

"I believe BZP is toxic for a fixed proportion of people who will come to grief after taking it. People have a cavalier attitude and mix it with alcohol – studies show 80% or 90% mix it with alcohol.

"You cannot control it by putting health warnings on the packet and the dosages have gone up up to five times the amount they were initially."

Gee said he hoped the photographs of Rodden would stop people taking the drug.

The Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs has recommended BZP be made illegal because users suffered vomiting, dizziness and hallucinations.



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Rodden's parents, Wendy and Kevin, went public with graphic video images of their son to show party pill users the potential results of a night on the legal high.

"We're just hoping to shock these kids out of doing this rubbish. We've had lots of feedback from his friends saying the kids are just crying over there (Greymouth). Well, good. If it stops them, then good," Wendy Rodden said.




But alcohol isn't rubbish eh? How about public graphic pictures of liver damage or getting their stomach pumped out to show the potential results of a night on alcohol? How about not being so naive as to expect drug use to carry no implications whatsoever. Drug use carries risk, every single drug on this planet has some risk associated with it's use (some more, some less). If people want to use something, then they will use it. Perhaps next time, Wendy, your son won't mix it with beer and caffiene - possibly the real reason why most people end up in hospital.


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"I believe BZP is toxic for a fixed proportion of people who will come to grief after taking it. People have a cavalier attitude and mix it with alcohol – studies show 80% or 90% mix it with alcohol.

"You cannot control it by putting health warnings on the packet and the dosages have gone up up to five times the amount they were initially."




No, you can't. You control it by standardising the dosage! If dosages have gone up 5 times the amount, then you need to get companies to tone that down or at least have clear information on the packet to explain that they are extremely strong and to take caution with it. They already have warnings on it to say "Don't mix with alcohol", but people are completely stupid and don't know how to read. Clearly the problem isn't BZP, but people mixing the drug with alcohol, so how is it the fault of party pills here? Personal responsibility needs to be implented here, and if someone ends up in hospital because they couldn't follow instructions, then they probably deserve to be there.
It's like drinking a few bottles of Jack Daniels and then trying to ban alcohol because you didn't have the sense to realise that excessive amounts will kill you.

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The Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs has recommended BZP be made illegal because users suffered vomiting, dizziness and hallucinations.



Oh dear god no! By the way, doesn't alcohol cause vomiting and dizziness? I guess what really tipped their scales was the HALLUCINATIONS! Seeing things is oh so bad. We can't have that. Pathetic. I can't believe they call themselves Experts.


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