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train driver pervading a desktop Registered: 08/20/04 Posts: 31,859 Loc: Uranus |
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This was a PM I just wrote up for a trusted brother, and as I was typing it I realized that I should post it for all to see, and get as many thoughts as possible. This is long, I know, but it's something I have to express, and I'd greatly appreciate everyones thoughts on all of this;
Hey man.....I'm not sure how to begin here. I'll start by saying I got REALLY spun last night. Epic style.... Heh, I had all the words earlier, but of course as I sit down to type it out they flee. ![]() I'll try to put it down as best as I can...I wish I could tell you in person, that'd be easier for sure. I'm pretty much baffled here.......this is a continuation of countless other experiences. I really see what Jerry meant when he said that his trips pick up where the last one left off. It started off as a good strong LSD trip....somewhat like what I'd been expecting/hoping for. It took awhile to kick in fully, and I had been considering taking more.....then decided to wait and see. Which was a smart move to say the least. A couple weeks ago I took 3 hits of this same batch; the clear/amberish gellies. I had a great time...a really nice trip, though not quite as strong I was hoping for at the time. I'm thinking it was just what I needed. Trips all vary....they're never quite what you expect, as I'm sure you well know. This time I took 4....just 1 more and the results were very different. I'd like to add that this was not the highest dose that I've ever taken....it just took me way farther than I could have ever expected. Well man it got stronger and stronger. I was jamming out to those JGB shows I posted about last night.....dancing my ass off hardcore; I was going into rythmic trances. The trip assumed classic high dose L proportions.......reminding me of my experience at a festie this summer; bringing me back in touch with how I felt, what I was experiencing, etc. This has happened on almost every strong dose I've taken since then. It's beautiful man, so amazing...I felt that connection made with those folks I was spinning with, and I sent out prayers of love, peace, happiness & safety for them into the Holy Spirit....which I was feeling very strongly. Straight up beams of light. The celestial radiance of the most High. I got a little bit ahead of myself here, this all happened as I was reminded STRONGLY of my DMT trip in '05. And I mean strongly, down to the visuals...while they weren't quite on that level, they were the same if you get my drift. This happened after/consecutively/concurrently DMT is very similar to LSD in a way. What way I can't really say, especially as they are so different. I think it's the celestial radiance; they both have that in common. Opening me up to the Holy Spirit, just from different....and yet similar perspectives. Hopefully you get what I mean. This was fantastic....the most religious experience I've ever had, with the exception of that DMT trip. Both experiences were on the same level. That deemster door was seriously cracked open. Shit stunned me, and humbled me to tears almost. Then it happened....like it's happened on so many strong trips before, though this time with a different nature. It's like something within me explodes. It starts with a weird and not at all good bodily sensation, that then progresses. It's been different at different times, but this time it was like salvia. Dead ass brother, it was like the salvia door now opened suddenly, adding that wierdness into this. I felt a seam going through me...through my body, and I Was being flattened, stretched and twisted at the same time. It also was like mad energy was bursting forth from me. Like there's infinite me's (arms, legs, etc, etc....) wihin, and they all ripped out.... I can't really describe that well though. With this I got a very odd smell/taste, one similar to salvia.....I think, though I can't be sure. It was weird though. Along with this came really.....bizarre visuals, and a feeling within. A really strange and negative feeling. As I said this kind of explosion has taken place on various high dose trips for years. Something's happening here, and something that's not just going away like I'd thought/hoped when I was younger. In the past I've snapped (to a degree....I held strong yet was TERRIFIED) and tried to make it go away, and I've called up a friend before in the middle of the night to try to hang on somehow. I would try to read, though the books melted and the words flew off the page....and looked alien besides. And wierd things would appear between the book & I. This time I grabbed a beer, well a couple though I didn't drink the second one. This was Golden Monkey, a good strong beer, and not one that I would usually chug. This time I didn't even taste it.....I fucking DOWNED that shit. ![]() This helped to calm me down a bit (did I mention that I can feel the adrenaline shooting through me, causing a panic/aniexty attack that I can't seem to get under wraps, although I KNOW that you have to keep calm and go with flow....and that I've done this countless times before.) It's seriously like an explosion....something that just happens, and for no good reason that I can see. It's like something satanic is griping me.....hellish for sure. What it is exactly, I don't know....and I tried to think about it, after I chilled and it subsided. It's obviously a recurring theme, so there's gotta be a reason. I mean, I try to be the best I can, to love as much as possible. I make mistakes, but no ones perfect, and I want to be the best I can deeply....always have. So why this would keep popping up I don't know.....especially right after I offered up love & positive vibes/prayers into the Holy Spirit. I came up with many theories....though thats all they are. Maybe it's an exorcism of all my demons, possibly something demonic is really fucking with me.....though I have faith in God, so why it would be successful I don't know. Then I got to thinking about Job......maybe this is a test? The more I experience this, the more I realize that there is so much going on, there are so many powers SO much greater than us, that I don't really understand. Thy are incomprehensible to the human mind. Sometimes I wonder if I haven't really gone and done it. The thought of a psychotic break has occurred to me before......but I don't believe that what it is. I mean, this has happened so many times before, and it always passes. If I had some serious issue lying dormant, and experience like that would utterly shatter my mind, and it would be off to the psych ward. While any non-spunion that would've seen me would've brought the strait-jacket immediately (I was sitting on my bed saying all sorts of stuff (talking with God)....all the while constantly swaying and flowing to the music, laughing off an on) I don't think I'm crazy. If I was I don't think I would've been able to handle this shit (and I've handled it MANY times before. So that would show strength of mind. Which leads me to wonder again, what exactly IS going on here. Possibly it's the beginnings of ego-loss on a scale I've never fully gone through before.....thumbprint style. And I only took 4 hits. Maybe it's a vacation of the darkness within, the demons giving me their worst as they leave (which is what I believe may be happening with the thumbprint tales, all the evil leaving before one can be can truely be at One with the Light....merge into the Godhead. I like to believe that, since the connotation is that this will not last for an eternity, but will be replaced in the end with Eternal Bliss. As I said though, it's too far beyond me, I just don't know. So this time rather than try to hide (I tried to calm to down and make it go away, successfully I might add) but I didn't try to forget it. Instead I tried to figure it all out....the process of which I just described. Anyway, I talked this out with God....bared my soul before God...there were times when my focus wasn't on 100%...I was hearing the music and kinda rambling...bascially I'd keep losing track of what I was getting at, only to find it again and keep going on. During this there was the lost-track sections, mixed with a connection to God. I was really talking to God....and God was listening or so I gathered. I let it all out and had to keep saying that I meant no disrespect....as I REALLY don't want to piss off God...and/or whatever else was at work here. I won't get into details with the conversation, as that was between myself and God....but basically I was trying to express myself...my whole self, every essence, every desire, need, fear, confusion....I layed my soul bare before God. As I said I want to be the best person that I can possibly be, do the most good that I can...bring as much light and happiness into the world as I can. Love & be loved, etc. I want God to understand me, guide me....help me. I feel these overwhelming powers, and I don't want to feel that demonic/hellish existence again, and at least not last for an eternity....but have some kind of blissful release. (Time was way gone during this....went really slow up until the beer/convo with God....then it was zip.....it zoomed by me.) Do you know what I mean here? This is really hard to convey. I feel all sorts of confusion as to my purpose and whatnot...how to be spiritual, do God's work, etc.... So I put it all out there, repented of my sins, asked why, then asked for help and guidance and ended with a profession of faith. I feel like I've done all that I can, and now just have to leave it up to God. I truly believe God was listening....there was no actual answer, but I believe with all my heart and soul that God was listening, and I'm hoping/thinking that the answer will be guidance throughout my life, like I prayed for. I know that God has heard my prayer. There's no booming voice that speaks the secrets of the universe when you're communing with God....merely you state you soul, and let it out there......any actual answers (ie. full understanding) won't come until after death. At least I'm hoping it'll all make sense eventually. Once again, it's way beyond me now. Such is the definition of faith. It's really strange for me to be going through all of this spiritual stuff..... things of biblical proportions (I'm not one to base my life on the writings of man), etc. I asked for it though.....I never got into tripping to get fucked up and see cool shit, I delved into it looking for this kind of stuff. And I had no clue what I was in for, be careful what you wish for I guess. This isn't to say I have regrets.....quite the opposite. I'm getting more in touch I think; it's not like not experiencing this would spare me anything; on the contrary I think I'd totally miss the point. This helps me hash all of this out while I'm alive, get it all out there before I'm melted into such comsic powers. I don't know, hopefully you get what I'm trying to say. Let me know what you think. One Love ![]() I want to get your opinions, and as I was writing I think I'm going to post this in one of religious/spirtual forums as well....get as many opinions and thoughts as possible. -------------------- ![]()
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Elder Registered: 12/09/99 Posts: 14,279 Loc: South Florida Last seen: 3 years, 1 day |
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So, you took 4 geltabs and you tried to 'understand' what was happening. You were having a neural overload, what do you think is going to happen with too much LSD in an unguided, undisciplined trip with music and dancing and chugging beer?
Next time, take half as much, use silence or possibly sitar music (there is a reason which is better experienced than explained, and Ravi Shankar's ragas are the best), and have in place an inner meditational practice that is used for handling large amounts of psychic energy, like Hatha or Kundalini Yoga, or Tibetan Buddhist Inner Fire. Buy yorself a copy of BE HERE NOW and read the first section before the trip, the middle section during, and the final section ('Cookbook for a Sacred Life') when you come down. Avoid becoming an acid casualty. You asked, here are some thoughts gleaned from 35 years of tripping. -MtG -------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Psychonaut Registered: 10/30/06 Posts: 6,962 Loc: In my garden |
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rather than reply here I sent you a PM bro.
this was well worth the time reading it though. Edited by daytripper05 (02/13/07 06:00 PM)
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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I do not profess to know ultimate truth, but I know that if a Buddhist were to take psychedelics, he would interpret all "demons" as fabrications of his mind, all gods as fabrications of his mind, and know that the God he strives for is simple union with the clear light, nirvana, nothing more, and nothing less, and that all other experiences, insights, visions, etc, are just scenery on the way to this light.
Although most all Buddhists do not particularly advise any drug usage at all, some are drawn to it (Buddhism) because it is a philosophy and religion and psychology of the mind and they feel psychedelics complement the ideas. If you have read the Psychedelic Experience (it is in erowid.org) it is explained that when one is dead and in the bardo, one is to recognize all experiences as hallucinatory no matter how terrifying, and to seek union with the light through meditation or calling up sacred deities. One avoids rebirth by not grasping to anything, or any visual plane one is in, and with succesful integration of the light comes liberation, and should one then proceede to a realm of form, they will have a fortunate rebirth (i think) Now, aren't these ideas more comforting than ideas of demons, devils, damnations, and judgements? It is easy to see how if someone didn't make it all the way to the light, and they wrote a religion about the hallucinatory parts of the bardo (and they are "real" but only if you are born into them, otherwise they are dreams, just like this reality we are in right now is a dream [that we are bound to out of ignorance]) then all sorts of fanciful deities and demons and whatnot would be part of that religion. But if they went all the way to the light and had non-dual oneness, and wrote a religion about that, then we would have more sensible teachings to follow, right? I do not know about Jesus Christ, about damnation, about salvation, about God. I would assume God is ultimate benevolence, far more than Christians make you think, and that if one sincerely repented, even if dying, dead, or at the brink of "judgement", one would be forgiven by God should they confront him rather than shirk into the remnants of their own karmic corpse.... I would assume this God is light. I am not sure that I know anything at all though. But I know ideas create reality, and so unless there is one absolutely right set of ideas, I would encourage using a belief-net that makes tripping easier to handle. oh and salvia made me feel like a large number of "me's" were falling out of me. I am not sure what to think about it but I concluded it was all complete delusion and that I needed to open my third eye, though I didn't do it. Come to think of it I'm not sure why we do these experiments in temporary craziness...... I'm not really interested in having elves come out of me. it seems that ideally one would meditate and do intensive karma cleanup. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (02/13/07 06:07 PM)
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train driver pervading a desktop Registered: 08/20/04 Posts: 31,859 Loc: Uranus |
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First off, thank you all very much for your responses & thoughts.
![]() Markos, I hear what you're saying brother, and I thank you for your advice.....which I'm going to take next time, though next time won't be for a while. Moderation is key.....I've spent more than enough time being a straight druggie (and I'm not talking psychedelics alone here, as I generally use them responsibly and with the best intentions, as was the case here....but basically I've spent more than enough time in altered states of mind, mood & consiousness; more than is healthy) These days I'm trying to focus on living a much more healthy and balanced life. One in which I avoid all hard drugs, get really spun every now and then to cleanse myself & have an epic experience such as this, and take lower doses in between to help keep my head right & keep a postive outlook on everything. Clear the mind so to speak. As to other substances I just smoke every now and then, drink in moderation....and I plan to use MDMA at least one more time.....when the time is right. Which won't be for a while, I know what I'm looking for there...but I won't get into that. I didn't mean to go this indepth, but I'd like to clarify what I was thinking and what I was looking for here. I don't want to come off as a newb that ate too much with conception of what was to occur. I've been there many times and always get something out of it, hence the reason I took that much. I was actually looking for such an experience, and hold it as a benchmark. This was, in my mind, a very positive experience overall. One of beauty that I can never express.....I don't want it to seem like this was a bad trip, merely an incredibly powerful one......an overload as you said. It's not something I do often, however, I do feel the pull to take the plunge from time to time. Lower doses can be very beneficial, as I've discovered lately....and for the most part that's what I stick with these days. However, from time to time I like to experience this full-on, and while I felt the need for such an experience, and I do believe I needed it, the setting wasn't quite right. In the future I need to plan it out a little bit better. As far as the music dancing goes....sitar music is amazing. I have to get some Ravi Shanker... My music chpice for this experience was simple though; JGB & the Grateful Dead touch my soul like nothing else does, and as always, Jerry got me by. Devoting myself to this music and really listening to/feeling it is really keeping my head right. Keeping me on the right path; when I get the urge to do some heroin I put on Jerry & it washes that out right quick, reminds me to keep my head clear. Not that the desire totally vanishes of course, but it keeps me strong. Fuck dope! The journey the music took me on was beautiful, and that dancing was amazing. IME dancing in this state is utterly liberating and fantastic. The trance it induced was incredible....some truly high states of existence; high points in my life. Though, once again, I agree with you; wrong set, and I should have experienced company with me when I do this.You mentiond psychic energy, and that hit's the nail on the head. I need to really get into meditation, and learn how to control these energies; I've meant to for years, but the motivation never lasts. That another bad habit that I need to really work on....and not half ass either. "All the things I planned to do, I only did halfway" - I really feel that, and it's time to turn over a new leaf; goes balls to the walls with life, take some chances. Taking high doses of various drugs has always been a lot easier for me than taking chances with other things, such as women & really devoting myself to one thing or another rather than fucking around with a whole bunch of shit. Screwing around with many things is good....it keeps you well rounded; however, JUST doing that, and not finding anything to really put your all into is not good at all. I don't want to die realizing that there were too many things left undone & with regrets about not taking more chances, trying to really do something. Which is why my drug use, which was my focus for the past 4 years is now moderate, and a continuation of my journey, NOT my focus. Iwant to well rounded, and feel that now is the time to focus on other things. Be Here Now; Brother, I've wanted this book for years now and never got it. Thank you for reminding me, I know I'll benefit so much from reading it, and putting it into practice. Quote: Exactly, I sincerely hope that what I just said doesn't come off as disrespect and disregard; I respect your experience and wisdom greatly, and was very happy to see that you responded. In fact, when I posted it, you were one of the folks I was hoping would read it & add their thoughts. I just wanted to clarify a few things, give you a better look at my mind-state. As I already said, I intend to take you advice.....and thank you for it. ![]() daytripper05, got the PM, thank you very much....that was quite a story; we have to talk more about this. ![]() leery11, your thoughts are also very insightful. I'd like to give you an as in-depth response as I gave Markos, but I'm losing steam here. Quote: Word brother, it's really sad; a lot of folks (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc, etc....it makes no difference) are really misguided...some have bad intentions, but others have good ones and are just lost....though they do not think so. We're all brothers and sisters, and the way to make the best of this life is to love on another and work together. Take care of each other. Be Good Family ![]() Hopefully some day everyone will get it. As to the judgements and whatnot, I too believe that God will forgive all who truly repent....I beleive all will pass on to the Light someday, no matter how many trys/lives it takes. Note, I'm not a Christian, though I do believe in Jesus.....I also believe in Buddha, Mohamaad, etc....... They;re all folks who had religious experiences and tried to express it and help people.......all were on to the same thing; just with slightly different perspectives, which is good. Diversity is the spice of life, part of the whole point IMHO. I just chose not to choose a religious tradition to follow; but, rather, walk my own path; follow my heart. Do what I feel is right. Bring as much Love & Light into this world as I possibly can. I believe all of those Prophets had something postive to say. We're all brothers and sisters. ![]() Quote: Salvia is weird indeed...and not something I plan to do again, though I'm glad I did do it. I find it interesting that the salvia headspace as well as the DMT headspace both leaked into the LSD headspace. Like those doors can be opened now, to a degree, now that they've been opened before. Salvia has that really freaky feel to it...but DMT is beautiful (all of this IME). As disconcerting as the salvia-ish mix was (and I've experienced worse....this was NOT a bad trip, not by a long shot....rather, it was a successful one. One in which I was reminded of how much I have to learn, and where I need to put some more effort. Especially where psychic energy is concerned, as Markos said.) I've been thinking of my DMT trip a lot lately, and I feel blessed that I was able to access that space (to a degree....it was NOT exactly the same) again, esp. considering that I did not smoke any. Same with the classic LSD - all time part. This experience was easily one of the most incredible/beautiful experiences of my life...... That's all for now, once again thank you for reading this, and for your responses. Much Love, DS
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I want to be a fisherman Registered: 09/29/03 Posts: 31,129 Loc: A rare and diffe Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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wow dark star
wow i think gonna pm you too. great report tho man. worth every word
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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I've noticed that trippy drugs all seem to cross over with one another. I am ambivalent about all the ones I have used.... all I can say is marijuana got me interested in spirituality, but hurt my lungs, the psychedelisc I have used have probably hurt more than helped...
but I touched some sort of salvia-space while on DXM..... I have touched a salvia "depth" (in terms of only "feeling") while stoned (it was pretty intense), after using LSA my marijuana highs became more LSA-ish.... and in general the characteristics of LSA, DXM, salvia, and marijuana can to some degree intermingle with one another, I have found. [and I wouldn't advocate DXM use at all!!!!] The last psychedelic I used was salvia many months ago and I haven't used marijuana for about a year. I've drank a few times (and have had probably just as bad experiences with being drunk as i have had tripping, except without delusional ideas) and had my rounds of caffeine here and there, but I've mainly been on the meditation and gradual approach to mind expansion. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (02/13/07 09:19 PM)
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Growery is Better Registered: 01/10/06 Posts: 8,752 Last seen: 3 years, 4 months |
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Lsd ties everything together, or rather it allows you to see this oneness. Looks like you were taken through a journey in which you evaulated yourself and made judgements for the better. This is what i love about LSD and pretty much all psychedelics, Platoian "know thyself" is brought into focus by your brain expanding so fast. I am happy for you bro. Keep trippin you are lucky to have access to the keys. Also, if youre trip takes you somewhere unexpected in thought or philosophy, I usually sit on the thought for a while (a few days after the trip) and look at it in depth. This has happened with my and LSD, as well as ayahuasca. Think about the revelations that came to you, if what you were revealed is good for you and your life, i'd reccomend following that path. Alot has to do with how you view the experience. If you view it as something deeper, that taps into your thought processes and true being(i suspect you do, as I), then trust what you have been revealed.
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Imagine ![]() Registered: 10/04/05 Posts: 348 Loc: Here, now. Last seen: 15 years, 4 months |
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I think you should have let yourself go into the demons. I think that you were at the door of something much greater. It seems hellish at first, but once you let go you just realize that all of that was you(your memories, your own judgments, your ideas, your obsessions, your possessions, your everything that you think makes you, you).
Did you ever fall into the cosmic consciousness? It sounds like you were damned close if not tip-toeing on the treshhold. My panic attack (only on 2 grams of shrooms) induced death in me. I thought I had died definitely. That is when I saw things similar to you. It was the most horrifying experience of me being separated from ME. But I eventually let it happen without fighting it anymore, and I fell into something much greater (God if you want). I don't know. I haven't stumbled back into that area. I want to. DMT is coming up soon. I would like to trip a few more times on some doses. Eat some shrooms too. I want to be able to go back as I think I will understand better. Even though giving yourself up is the scariest thing ever, I think I will be ready to do it when I am approached with this again. I have had a handful of times where I felt I was being pulled back towards it, the panic arose and the death feeling came back, but I grasped reality and everything that was me for all its worth. Too bad so sad for those lost times. There will be more! Beautiful story, it is always good to hear someone having found something in themselves. You're on your path. Oh, and yeah I have BE HERE NOW, but I haven't read it yet either. I think I will try it the way Markos said. Hey Markos, do you think it would take away from the book if I read it entirely beforehand without tripping? Or should I wait and say like you said? Is there a clearly versed beginning/middle/end? I don't know as I have only flipped through it. -------------------- "You must be the change you want to see in the world." - The trip of a Life Time. Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe. -cK
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Elder Registered: 12/09/99 Posts: 14,279 Loc: South Florida Last seen: 3 years, 1 day |
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There are clearly delineated 3 sections to the book. I was given the book while struggling during the peak of an acid test and the 'newness' if the moment plus the novelty of the book had a particularly powerful imprint-like effect on me, so that is why I recommend the sequence. Also, the book was design to be used that way. One can see by the large easy to read print on parchment brown paper. There are 108 pages of the core book - the same number of beads that are on Hindu and Buddhist malas (strings of prayer beads used for counting when doing 'japa' - reciting mantras). Each page is a meditation.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Nutcase Registered: 06/24/03 Posts: 14,899 Loc: Heaven and Hell Last seen: 10 years, 11 months |
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Quote: That means you don't really have to worry too much about this. ![]() Quote: They're saying goodbye to you. Quote: It always works like that man. ACDC man, after Christ, Devil comes. Keep on dancing and believing. I'd say you're being born. The demonic forces are attacking in a vain attempt to prevent losing you forever. Quote: Remember, eternal bliss is just that, no rules, no laws, no limits. You're bring prepared for that. Quote: Because when you're in eternal bliss, you don't have to "try to be the best you can", anymore. It's limitless, and so are you. So, I'd say that you're having the most important growing pain of your entire existance. I say congratulations!
-------------------- Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums
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Nutcase Registered: 06/24/03 Posts: 14,899 Loc: Heaven and Hell Last seen: 10 years, 11 months |
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Quote: I'd rather stand in the shaft of light he mentioned, but to each his own. I guess it all depends on what you're seeking.
-------------------- Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums
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train driver pervading a desktop Registered: 08/20/04 Posts: 31,859 Loc: Uranus |
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Quote: Yup, many times.....in fact, I was there right before the explosion happened. Quote:I've thought that before too......I'd need a sitter for that though, for sure. LightningFractal.....very optimstic thoughts brother. I've also thought for a long time that it's the demonic forces giving me their worst before they let go...trying to trap me so I can't fly free. I've believed for years that I have some sort of purpose here, and those dark forces are trying to prevent me from fulfilling it. The only thing to do is keep on loving & not give them any power. The correlation between this and heroin withdrawl just occurred to me; the agony you go through as the drug leaves your system....the attempt for the drug to keep you trapped in it's grip & give you hell every step of the way to freedom. Then after a few days the light at the end of the tunnel begins to show, and it just gets easier and easier after that. Next thing you know, the sun's shining again.
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Nutcase Registered: 06/24/03 Posts: 14,899 Loc: Heaven and Hell Last seen: 10 years, 11 months |
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It happens to everyone on the golden road...
I think that one day you'll simply discover the power within yourself to snap these demons' very limbs off that are holding on to you with the vibrant, illuminated power of your own rapture. Oh, they'll get out of the way when you come full circle. After that, they won't come near you ever again. If they do, you'll have some serious fun with them. Demons have very destructive personal lifestyles, and so they're totally out of shape.;) -------------------- Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums
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Imagine ![]() Registered: 10/04/05 Posts: 348 Loc: Here, now. Last seen: 15 years, 4 months |
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I don't believe in demons per se, but I was trying to get across what Lightningfractal had explained. The demons were just whatever holding you back from something greater. I think to settle with the/your demons you will thus get rid of them. Love everything and even them.
-------------------- "You must be the change you want to see in the world." - The trip of a Life Time. Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe. -cK
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Nutcase Registered: 06/24/03 Posts: 14,899 Loc: Heaven and Hell Last seen: 10 years, 11 months |
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Wasting love on demons?
I dunno. If Jerry said don't give your love unto a foolish heart, how could I possibly justify giving it to a demon? I therefore would be very hesitant to even consider this as a valid approach, though I see your goal is the same as mine. Love will bounce right off demons, and I would consider it to me as a waste of time, energy, and focus. That I could have given that love instead to someone else that needed it. For every act of love towards another human being, a demon cries out in pain as his plan fails! -------------------- Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums
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train driver pervading a desktop Registered: 08/20/04 Posts: 31,859 Loc: Uranus |
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and it stoned me, to my soul......it stoned me just like jelly roll.
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Its just me Registered: 10/29/04 Posts: 1,188 Loc: Norway, Eidsvoll Last seen: 14 years, 4 months |
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Happened to me too.
I am too trainwrecked to make any sense of it now. -------------------- The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact. ![]()
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As I said though, it's too far beyond me, I just don't know.



Moderation is key.....I've spent more than enough time being a straight druggie (and I'm not talking psychedelics alone here, as I generally use them responsibly and with the best intentions, as was the case here....but basically I've spent more than enough time in altered states of mind, mood & consiousness; more than is healthy) 



