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InvisibleMiddlemanM
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The Four Noble Truths
    #656679 - 05/31/02 11:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

DESIRE IS A TRAP
DESIRE-LESSNESS IS MOKSHA (liberation)
DESIRE IS THE CREATOR
DESIRE IS THE DESTROYER
DESIRE IS THE UNIVERSE


THE BUDDHISTS SAY :
(I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NON-DUALISTIC BUDDHISTS)

CUT OUT ALL THIS MIDDLE STUFF !
DON'T GET HUNG UP ON THESE DIFFERENT
DESIRE TRIPS. JUST GO BEYOND IT ALL.

BUDDHA'S 4 NOBLE TRUTHS :
ARE VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD


THE FIRST ONE

CONCERNS THE FACT THAT LIFE ALWAYS HAS IN IT
THE ELEMENT OF UNFUFILMENT :
CALL IT SUFFERING


BIRTH * OLD AGE * SICKNESS * NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT * GETTING WHAT YOU DON'T WANT * EVEN GETTING WHAT YOU WANT IN THIS PHYSICAL WORLD ***
IS GOING TO BE SUFFERING BECAUSE :

YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE IT !
IT'S ALWAYS IN TIME !


ANYTHING THAT IS IN TIME IS GOING TO PASS AWAY


"LAY NOT UP YOUR TREASURES


WHERE MOTH AND RUST DOTH CORRUPT"


THAT'S THE TRAP OF TIME . . . . AS LONG AS YOU WANT

ANYTHING IN TIME . . . . IT'S GOING TO PASS BECAUSE


T I M E.... P A S S E S !



THE SECOND NOBLE TRUTH IS
THE CAUSE
OF SUFFERING

IS DESIRE

(OR CRAVING)


IF YOU DON'T TRY TO HOLD????YOU DON'T SUFFER OVER THE LOSS

IF YOU DON'T

WORSHIP

LIFE
YOU DON'T

FEAR



DEATH

BUT IF YOU TRY TO HOLD ON TO LIFE IT'S VERY SAD

YOU CAN HONOR LIFE BUT IF YOU
TRY TO HOLD ON TO LIFE . . . . . . . IT'S VERY SAD

DID YOU EVER SEE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, LIKE A TOP-MODEL, WHO IS JUST GETTING TO THAT POINT WHERE HER LOOKS ARE CHANGING INTO WHAT COULD BE AN INTERNAL BEAUTY IF SHE HAD'NT BEEN SO BUSY WITH HER EXTERNAL BEAUTY ? SHE IS CAUGHT IN THE BEAUTY OF TIME

WHICH WITHERS


HOW POIGNANT !

YET WE'VE ALL TOUCHED PEOPLE
WHO WERE SO BEAUTIFUL
AS BEINGS THAT WE
NEVER NOTICED WHETHER
THERE ARE PHYSICALLY
BEAUTIFUL
IT'S LIKE

AN ETERNAL BEAUTY
LIVES
WITHIN THEM
WELL, IF YOU ATTACH
YOURSELF
IF YOU CRAVE
TEMPORAL THINGS
BEAUTY POSSESSIONS
ACHIEVEMENT
ANYTHING
HOW POIGNANT !

EXAMPLE : SOME BODY LOOKS AT YOU SEDUCTIVELY
AN ICE CREAM CONE GOES BY . . . . . . . WILL IT EVER BE
THE BIG ICE CREAM CONE



IN THE SKY ?

WILL IT EVER BE AN ETERNAL ICE CREAM CONE ?
OR . . . IS IT ALWAYS GOING TO MELT ?
YOU GOTTA KEEP EATING IT ???YET IT MELTS AND MELTS
THAT'S ITS PROBLEM
YOU GOTTA KEEP EATING IT CUZ IT WILL MELT. . . .
. . . . AND THEN IT'S GONE

AND; YOU KNOW THAT TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH WHEN YOU
FINISH... YOU WANT A GLASS OF WATER ? RIGHT ? . . .
THEN YOU HAVE A GLASS OF WATER AND THERE'S THAT BLOATY FEELING ?!?!?

THEN, YOU'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ONE
TO GET RID OF THAT ONE...


LET'S TAKE A WALK . . . YOU TAKE A WALK

IT'S COLD OUT. LET'S HAVE SOME CHOCOLATE

YEP, LET'S HAVE SOME, AND ON; AND ON; AND ON; IT'S CALLED

L I F E


YOU SEE : THE OPPOSITE OF CRAVING IS SAYING
BABY, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS * YEAH *
* OK * HERE AND NOW * THIS IS IT

I ACCEPT THE HERE AND NOW
FULLY

. AS . IT . IS .

RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT ! ! !

LAME, HALT, BLIND, DYING
WE'RE ALL DYING

AT THIS MOMENT
YOUR BODY IS DESINTEGRATING BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES IF YOU'VE TAKEN
LSD YOU MAY BE
SEEING IT
DO THIS BUT
YOU KNOW
IT'S HAPPENING
ANYWAY



IT'S A DOWNHILL TRIP ALL THE WAY


BOY, WHAT A FUNNY PLACE TO GET ATTACHED !
TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO GO LIKE THAT


SO BUDDHA SAYS : THE CAUSE OF SUFFERING IS ATTACHMENT
OR DESIRE


THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING !



THIRD NOBLE TRUTH :


GIVE UP ATTACHMENT
GIVE UP DESIRE

YOU END THE BIRTHS
YOU END THE DEATHS
YOU END THE SUFFERING
YOU END THE WHOLE THING THAT
KEEPS YOU STUCK !


IF I'M NOT ATTACHED TO THIS PARTICULAR
TIME - SPACE LOCUS THEN I CAN FREE MY
AWARENES FROM MY BODY AND I CAN BECOME

ONE WITH IT ALL

I CAN MERGE WITH
THE DIVINE MOTHER!



FOURTH NOBLE TRUTH IS :


THE EIGHTHFOLD PATH
(for getting rid of desire)



WHICH SAYS :

GET YOUR LIFE

STRAIGHT

DO YOUR WORK

DO EVERYTHING

YOU'VE GOT TO DO

WATCH YOUR SPEECH.
WATCH YOUR THOUGHT.
WATCH YOUR CALMNESS.
GET YOUR CALM CENTER GOING. ??
LIVE YOUR LIFE IN SUCH A WAY AS TO GET YOURSELF STRAIGHT, TO GET FREE OF ATTACHMENT THAT JUST KEEPS SUCKING YOU ALL THE TIME




GET FREE OF DESIRE

GET FREE OF DESIRE. IT'S A LITTLE
LIKE A ROLLER COASTER. THIS IS
JUST THE WAY IT WORKS. IF YOU READ
ST. JOHN OF THE CROSS :

"DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL"

YOU KNOW HOW IT IS

YOU'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING ON YOURSELF
AND YOU'RE VERY PURE . . . AND SOME THING VERY
HIGH HAPPENS TO YOU : YOU FEEL LIBERATED

AND THEN : YOUR EGO WALKS AROUND AND PATS YOU
ON THE SHOULDER : PRETTY GOOD !
LOOK HOW HOLY YOU'RE BECOMING.

AND YOU FALL . . . .


A G A I N . . .

THAT'S ONE OF THE TRAPS
IN FACT THE HIGHER YOU GET
THE HARDER YOU FALL
EACH ?????TIME

IT'S THESE FIERCE LIONS GUARDING THE INNER

GATES




WHEN YOU ARE EXTRICATING
YOURSELF FROM THIS WEB OF

DESIRE WHICH IS YOUR
EGO,WHICH IS YOUR COGNITIVE
FRAMEWORK OF THE UNIVERSE
(IT'S ALL THE SAME THING)

AND THIS EXTRICATION
(BELIEVE ME) DOESN'T HAPPEN
WITHOUT AN INTERNAL STRUGGLE

THIS IS CALLED TAPAS...


TAPASIA

STRAIGHTENING BY FIRE


"If a man gives way to all his desires,
or panders to them, there will be no
inner struggle, in him, no 'friction''
no fire. But if, for the sake of attaining
a definite aim, he struggles with the
desires that hinder him - he will
then create a fire which will gradually
transform his inner world into a single whole."

Ouspensky - "In Search of the Miraculous"

-:- from Be Here Now by Baba Ram Dass

~


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InvisibleJellric
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Re: The Four Noble Truths [Re: Middleman]
    #658187 - 06/02/02 12:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What a nice presentation!

I enjoyed it very much.

Now, I'm letting it go....


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Offlinejono
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Re: The Four Noble Truths [Re: Middleman]
    #658200 - 06/02/02 12:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thankyou for that post, it was very worthwhile.

I hope my thanking you doesn't strengthen your ego, or satisfy your desire to be thanked :P

Cheers,
Jono.


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Our problem results from acting like cowboys on a limitless frontier when in truth we inhabit a living spaceship with a finely balanced life-support system." David C. Korton


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InvisibleSwami
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Registered: 01/19/00
Posts: 15,413
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Re: The Four Noble Truths [Re: Jellric]
    #658260 - 06/02/02 03:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I like the nekked woman. More please.


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Re: The Four Noble Truths [Re: Middleman]
    #659629 - 06/02/02 11:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I met with a buddhist lady who does not know ram dass, and actually she argues against certain relgious principals named in Journey of Awakening, but I will have to argue in favor of Dass. All the same principles, but different viewpoints on prayer.


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Re: The Four Noble Truths [Re: nugsarenice]
    #660553 - 06/03/02 01:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The more I think about life and such the most buddhism makes sense. Good post!


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The sum of evil would be much diminished if men could only learn to sit quietly in their rooms.
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InvisibleSwami
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Re: The Four Noble Truths [Re: Uncounted]
    #661569 - 06/03/02 11:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I too, strongly desire a non-desirous state.


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