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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6623201 - 03/01/07 05:03 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Back in the day(shit a good 10 years back now), we used to set code up before hand.
We used a beer analogy most of the time.
Wanna go grab a six pack(half), or a twelve pack(oz).....or on special occasions, pony keg(qp) or full keg (lb)....
Worked for our needs and provided a marginal degree of safety, even though the amounts were small and doubt we were ever watched
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: confusion]
#6634692 - 03/04/07 03:54 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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(this is in response to the GPS not being on most phones) I dont know if thats true any more - there is a little icon on my LG3300vx (which is an old phone by todays standards) and it has a "feature" I cannot turn off - unless I turn it off, which I do unless Im expecting a call- that is called E911 - it is a GPS and caller ID wrapped into one - So if the phone is in the ON position, even if you are not on a call - you are still transmitting your location.
PS: Patriot Act eradicates your right to all freedoms we once thought were our birthright under the US Constitiution. I'd do some searching about the PA and see how bad it really is. <puts on tinfoil hat>
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: OracleOfDelphi]
#6634789 - 03/04/07 04:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they spent the cost to put a GPS chip in your phones you'd probably know about it because they would list it as a feature and you would be able to get your GPS coordinates off your phone.
The enhanced 911 locations services don't rely on GPS. It's equipment that the 911 centers and cell providers are upgrading to that allows them to quickly triangulate your signal for the alleged purpose of locating emergency calls.
The fact is that GPS chips or not, anytime your cellphone is on you can be quickly and easily located by your cell provider, and now the government. Even in the old days they could easily track you down to a "cell" that might cover an area of a couple square miles, or smaller if you live in a city.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6635355 - 03/04/07 07:05 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said:
The enhanced 911 locations services don't rely on GPS. It's equipment that the 911 centers and cell providers are upgrading to that allows them to quickly triangulate your signal for the alleged purpose of locating emergency calls.
-FF
thanks FF - didnt know the difference, and was pulling my 'info' from a past experience when I reported a huge fight by calling 911 - the Op called the Police, and the P O knew my tele # and a pretty good estimate(within 2 blocks) of where I was all in the time it took to connect and give my name. <adjusts tin foil hat> -OoD
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: OracleOfDelphi]
#6640854 - 03/06/07 10:07 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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crazy stuff
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: blizzietomyhiz]
#6666985 - 03/13/07 10:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Telco industry..... little bit of software called "Legal Intercept" at the exchange. Big brother can listen in on anything they want - data, voice, whatever.....
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: confusion]
#6681396 - 03/17/07 07:20 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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confusion said: 5th amendment! Most phones don't have GPS , or they would charge you $200 extra for such a great feature.
actually ALL mobile phones now contain a GPS unit by law. You can however set it to a 911 only mode so that it will only activate if you dial 911. If you have it set to ON all the time, you can be tracked by your provider for sure, and probably LEO.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: djnoktirnal]
#6682505 - 03/18/07 02:24 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where? What law? I call bullshit.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6682643 - 03/18/07 05:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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about the sms thing. when i got arrested for 'use of a drug of independence' they took my phone, and came into the interview with a printed list of all the phone numbers in my phone, and messages that were deleated off my phone at leats 6 months prior to this incedent. if you save any dealers numbers make sure you save them to your phone not to your sim, because those ones were not printed on thier list. one of the messages included: "i'm pumped to do shrooms with ya now matty, well get some md and some meth, and we'll rush and peak for three days!" Fuck i just had to laugh when the police read that to me. and on the code bullshit, do you think if the cops were sitting there tapping your calls and hearing 20 people a day call up and say the same shit over and over again, they wouldn't get a bit suspicious??? it doesn't matter how good you think your code is, you have to look at it from an outside perspective and think how stupid it sounds. it just doesn't work
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Artnotwar]
#6684010 - 03/18/07 03:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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> if you save any dealers numbers make sure you save them to your phone not to your sim
If you save numbers to your sim you can always take it out and snap it in half pretty easily. If the cops had done a good job they would have gotten all the numbers in your phone too. There's a good chance that after finding all that shit on your sim they probably went back and pulled stuff from your phone.
> Fuck i just had to laugh when the police read that to me.
He who laughs last laughs loudest... and I have a feeling that it's not going to be you.
> and on the code bullshit, do you think if the cops were sitting there tapping your calls and hearing 20 people a day call up and say the same shit over and over again, they wouldn't get a bit suspicious?
If they're tapping all your calls you're already fucked if you don't change your ways real quick. To get a wiretap order they usually already have you with some serious offense. Obviously, being smart about what you say isn't going to help you if they've already got a wiretap and you're making 20 deals a day. But it might save quite a few of your buddies.
> it doesn't matter how good you think your code is, you have to look at it from an outside perspective and think how stupid it sounds. it just doesn't work
You're the perfect example of how non-stupid it is. With that one stupid message they've tied you and your buddy to shrooms, weed, and meth. Maybe you don't even realize it, but that one message is enough to get wiretaps on you and your buddy, and it's pretty sure that everyone who was in your phone is now flagged or on a list.
If you're smart about what you say it should come off as pretty non-suspicious. Even if it is suspicious it's still a long way from being as bad as being directly being tied to meth.
I mean take a look at your situation! No matter how suspicious it sounded I'd far rather be tied to vegetables, a pack of bud light, and some coffee rather than be directly tied to shrooms, weed, and meth.
Can't you see the difference? With your message they can go straight to a judge and get a search warrant or wiretap with no problem. With a message I would have used they would be laughed out of court.
So the cops now know that you and your buddy use and buy/sell three different illegal drugs, one of which is highly serious and probably has it's own task force who will be watching you. If you would have been smart you would have avoided that. #1 you should know to stay away from text messages, because that's just the same as recording and saving incriminating evidence against yourself. #2 you should know better than to ever say anything that would directly, in and of itself, be enough to get you flagged, on lists, and wiretapped.
You broke both rules, and as a result they ended up with printed evidence of you being involved in a drug deal or at least use. If you would have simply said the same thing in the phone they probably wouldn't have a printed record of it. If you would have avoided the text and used some code then you wouldn't have ended up in the same situation even if they had you tapped or were illegally listening in on your call.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6687069 - 03/19/07 01:21 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fuck cell phones
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dsa]
#6690625 - 03/20/07 06:33 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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well considering it was like three years ago and i still havn't been busted for anything i don't think they really cared about the stupid messages. all i said is that he was talking shit. and also i had pictures of bundles of $50 notes and pictures of thousands of pills in my phone and all i got done for was telling them that i took GHB the night before. i didn't have to tell them, i was just being honest. i don't know where youre from but from what i have experienced here in australia the cops are pretty fuckin layed back about drugs. so in the end yeah i had the last laugh
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Artnotwar]
#6701271 - 03/22/07 10:20 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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One thing though.. texts are safer because legally speaking they don't mean anything. Anyone can type the message on your phone, they have no way of knowing that it was specifically you who typed it - unlike a voice recording which can be voice printed.
You could walk up to a cop and scream "I'M SELLING WEED!" at his face and he can't do anything. Text messages alone won't get you busted. There has to be something else.. at which point it will become evidence (and in some states, a charge in itself).
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: wiggles]
#6701280 - 03/22/07 10:22 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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wiggles said: You could walk up to a cop and scream "I'M SELLING WEED!" at his face and he can't do anything.
He'd fuck with you
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: wiggles]
#6702156 - 03/23/07 06:56 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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wiggles said: One thing though.. texts are safer because legally speaking they don't mean anything. Anyone can type the message on your phone, they have no way of knowing that it was specifically you who typed it - unlike a voice recording which can be voice printed.
You could walk up to a cop and scream "I'M SELLING WEED!" at his face and he can't do anything. Text messages alone won't get you busted. There has to be something else.. at which point it will become evidence (and in some states, a charge in itself).
OMG, please stop posting if you dont know what the hell you are talking about, you could seriously get someone fucked up.
No, text messages alone arent going to get you convicted, I think any idiot understands that. However, they will get warrants, they will cause you to lose your privacy, they will open you up to further investigation...in all, they can still really fuck you over.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6705005 - 03/24/07 12:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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wiggles said: One thing though.. texts are safer because legally speaking they don't mean anything. Anyone can type the message on your phone, they have no way of knowing that it was specifically you who typed it - unlike a voice recording which can be voice printed.
You could walk up to a cop and scream "I'M SELLING WEED!" at his face and he can't do anything. Text messages alone won't get you busted. There has to be something else.. at which point it will become evidence (and in some states, a charge in itself).
OMG, please stop posting if you dont know what the hell you are talking about, you could seriously get someone fucked up.
No, text messages alone arent going to get you convicted, I think any idiot understands that. However, they will get warrants, they will cause you to lose your privacy, they will open you up to further investigation...in all, they can still really fuck you over.
Considering I used to work at a defense law firm, I'd like to ask how you figure? Since you apparently are a law guru, check up on lexis nexis and see how right you are about text messages being the sole purpose for obtaining a warrant. What, don't know what lexisnexis is? Then don't tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
The fact is, they can not get a warrant because of text messages for the very reason mentioned above. Also, simply stating something in a text message is not going to be enough to get a judge to sign off on a warrant because there's no substantive evidence. To get a warrant, there has to be something physical involved in MOST cases (ie: they've scoped your house for some period of time, seen people walk in an dout constantly, pulled one over and found pot, etc).
The only other way would be POSSIBLY if the text message described the exact location of contraband, like "in the top drawer in the third floor bedroom in the house located at XXX snooker st," but even so, at that point for them to be looking at your text messages, you're probobly already screwed.
Otherwise a judge would just ask "How do you know they're not acting out a play?" Then he would snub you, and say "It looks suspiscious, but we can't act on suspiscion alone."
However, if you do get caught doing something and have a cell phone that you've used to text people with you're pretty well fucked. So its a risk either way, but texting along won't get you nailed.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: wiggles]
#6707839 - 03/24/07 10:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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> The fact is, they can not get a warrant because of text messages for the very reason mentioned above.
Wow, you really don't seem to have a clue what you're talking about. They would EASILY get a warrant if they legally obtained an incriminating text message and brought it before a judge.
> Otherwise a judge would just ask "How do you know they're not acting out a play?"
Have you ever actually been in a court or even watched any legal shows on TV?
First off, they would get the warrant. And when you say "I was acting out a play your honor, you shouldn't have issued the search warrant," the judge and jury will laugh long and hard at you. How the fuck do you act out a play over text messages anyway? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
> You could walk up to a cop and scream "I'M SELLING WEED!" at his face and he can't do anything.
Again you have no clue. If you said that to a cop he'd either tell you to F off or else he would immediately search you. If he wanted to be a real dick he'd arrest you and take you to jail for a full body cavity search.
Telling a cop that you are committing a crime obviously gives them probable cause to suspect that you are committing a crime. They can really screw you over for something like that. You could be arrested and strip searched. If the prosecutor wanted to they could charge you with distribution even if they found nothing. Then you would be in court spending a lot of cash in legal fees to argue that the "confession" should be thrown out because you weren't mirandized at the time. They could also charge you with obstructing justice since you wasted a cops time who otherwise would have been out doing his job.
Don't screw people over by giving out bunk advice. Someone could get really screwed if they were dumb enough to believe you. If you want to argue the point then you better have a Lexis or Westlaw citation to back up your BS.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6726400 - 03/29/07 09:42 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Seriously.
You can not be searched simply because you say something. In fact, funny enough, there's an episode of cops in which an officer gets called by a girl who reports that she got ripped off by a crack dealer when she attempted to buy crack (yes, they are stupid). However neither one was visibly intoxicated. The officer says in slow, simple words that even someone like you can understand, "you cannot arrest someone simply because they state that they were attempting to posess drugs, or claim to be selling drugs." He goes on to add that the dea then surveilled the house and actually gathered REAL evidence and brought down the dealer. But uttering that she was a dealer was not enough to arrest. But hey, what does a cop know, right? I mean he must be clueless, since apparently you're a legal expert.
Look it up.
Its not nearly as easy to get a warrant as you think it is, and until you start showing some legal credentials before you spout off about knowing so much, I think we'd be best off to ignore you. You're well intentioned, but you're not in nearly so much danger as you think you are.
And if you have a text message, you could say you were in a play, or you could say your friend used the phone. In fact, were you to say your friend used the phone, then that could make you an accessory. However, the friend is not charged, and its doubtful they have evidence, so theres no way they could make it stick. It would not go to a jury, because the DA would probobly know better than to chance it. He'd probobly try to scare the guy into bargaining, knowing that a bluff is his only chance.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: wiggles]
#6727134 - 03/30/07 04:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its after they have the warrant, or when your involved in a court case where this shit will come into play most of the time.
Try explaining your incriminating text messages to a jury or judge.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Schwip]
#6728794 - 03/30/07 04:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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> You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Seriously.
It's you that doesn't seem to know what you're talking about. Once you have a few interactions with the law you'll know better.
All they need to arrest you is probable cause that you committed a crime. Telling them that you committed a crime gives them that probable cause. I can't put it any simpler than that.
I think you are confused by the fact that you can't be convicted solely by your own testimony. If you turn yourself in for killing somebody but they can't find the body or the weapon or any blood and nobody is missing then they can't convict you for murder based solely on your confession. They need at least some small bit of evidence before they can convict you. But they sure as hell can and will arrest you and keep you locked up until they complete the investigation.
In a lot of situations they may know that they won't, or didn't, find any evidence so they know there won't be any charges and might not arrest you.
> Its not nearly as easy to get a warrant as you think it is,
The hell it isn't! All they need is probable cause. If they can show that a drug deal went down over your phone then they've just shown that there is cause to believe that you probably committed a crime. Then they get their warrant.
It's not at all hard to get a warrant. Just about any good piece of evidence will get them a warrant.
In the situation you're talking about there are plenty of reasons to arrest you. First off telling them that you're committing crimes gives them probable cause to suspect that you are. When they search you and find nothing they could still arrest you and drag you down to jail and strip search you. If they find nothing they can still charge you with any number of crimes, such as obstruction of justice, disorderly conduct, interfering with a peace officer, falsely reporting a crime, etc.
Just because you once saw something on "COPS" doesn't mean that you know jack about the law. So please stop advising people to go up to cops and confess to crimes. Because not only is that about the dumbest thing you could possibly do, it's also a crime in itself.
If you still somehow think that you know what you're talking about then I suggest that you get a camera and try this out yourself. Put it on youtube and post the link here. I'm sure all the members will get a great kick out of seeing you get hauled off in handcuffs.
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