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dedjam
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You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES 1
#6565749 - 02/14/07 06:16 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just had a friend get busted not too long ago for selling mushrooms and weed. Of course, one of the many things the confiscated was her cell phone. Well, recently (and I should have known this) I found out that police have software to get even erased messaged off a phone and sim card (just like you would get erased files off a computer). Any text messages sent from that phone that havent been overwritten will still come up.
Cell phones arent as safe as many people think they are, and text messaging is DESIGNED to help police investigations. Also, many cell phone providers also permanently store messages you send on their servers (I dont understand this one). See the big Kobe Bryant rape case for more about this one, but AT&T ended up handing over all the accusers past text messages...
Now my questions...and im all paranoid because they were my friend and we did alot of talking through text...what can they do based on just a text? I really wouldnt think text messages are enough for an arrest warrant, but what about a search warrant? I'm not too worried...I have nothing in my house thats illegal, but I certainly dont want to go through having my place torn up by cops.
The kicker... a police officer thats friends of the family said they had texts from us and "proof" we were either buying or selling. I assume I am not being watched, which once again I dont mind because I have nothing to hide...but at the same times its creepy.
So if anyone has any insight that would be great. If not, just take my warning if you already didnt know, and watch what is said through text messages.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6569850 - 02/15/07 04:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep, I fucking despise when people send stupid text messages.
And what can you do, once sent? (I mean being on the receiving end of the text)
Wonder how long they are saved to the phones memory or on the phone places server?(if they even are?)
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6574880 - 02/16/07 02:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not positive about this.. but arent most modern day cell phones equipped with GPS as well?
for instance if you dial 9-1-1.. and the phone call is cut off.. cant they still locate you?
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Banez]
#6574971 - 02/16/07 03:08 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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BINGO!! I hate texts for this exact reason and I flip on people who send em to me, regardless of what it was about. Not only that, but I get charged 10 cents a text... which is BULLSHIT! I didn't send a damn text! why the hell should I have to pay for it!?!?
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6575322 - 02/16/07 05:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd imagine the same technology used to scan phone calls for suspect words & phrases is used on text messages.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6575458 - 02/16/07 05:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love texting though
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Boom]
#6575618 - 02/16/07 06:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aww man now I gotta get out the aluminum hat!
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6575689 - 02/16/07 06:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://news.com.com/Police+blotter+Judge+OKs+text+message+use+in+drug+case/2100-1030_3-6110525.html
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On Oct. 24, 2005, federal police raided a home on Potomac Drive in Fort Washington, Md.--just south of the Washington Beltway. They allegedly seized about 213 pounds of cocaine and about 6.5 pounds of crack cocaine. Antoine Jones and four other men were caught up in the raid.
The raid represented the culmination of an extensive amount of surveillance that the FBI and other federal police had conducted--both physical and electronic.
Part of the electronic surveillance was done by obtaining logs from two unnamed wireless providers. According to federal authorities, the logs contained archived text messages that were sent by Jones and alleged co-conspirator Lawrence Maynard.
In the words of the court: "On Aug. 10, 2005, and again on Aug. 18, 2005, Magistrate Judge Alan Kay issued search warrants to two electronic communication service providers for stored text messages that had been transmitted over cellular telephones used by Jones and Maynard."
Jones, who is awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy to distribute cocaine and use of a communication facility to traffic in drugs, filed a brief claiming that the search warrants violated the federal Wiretap Act.
Huvelle ruled on Aug. 10 that the search warrants were permissible "because the Wiretap Act does not apply to the government's acquisition of text messages held in storage at electronic communication service providers."
Translation: The Wiretap Act only applies to live intercepts, not archived e-mail or SMS messages. In general, a lower legal standard applies to archived messages. (As an aside, the government claims that technology to capture the contents of text messages had "only become available to law enforcement within recent weeks.")
WTF!
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: S33D]
#6581712 - 02/18/07 02:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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ehh
you're sending messages over public frequencies (encrypted, but still). Ya gotta be smart
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Boom]
#6599213 - 02/22/07 07:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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5th amendment! Most phones don't have GPS , or they would charge you $200 extra for such a great feature.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: confusion]
#6601963 - 02/23/07 12:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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It doesn't really matter if your phone has GPS because almost all areas are now equipped with the equipment to locate you. Just about everywhere has started charging a "911" tax for the purpose of raising the money to equip the local cell phone service with the capability to instantly locate the source of cell phone 911 calls.
If they've spent for the equipment I'm sure the gov will be using it for more than just 911 calls.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6602266 - 02/23/07 02:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I broke my phone, and wanted Verizon to activate my old one so I could use that. they apparently are not allowed to activate a phone without GPS in it anymore..
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: Boom] 1
#6604704 - 02/24/07 02:52 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very few phones have GPS. They're still fairly expensive chips to put in a cheap cell phone. There's really no point anyways. You're almost always in range of at least two or three cell towers, so they can easily triangulate you. That's the basis of those 911 location systems. They don't rely on GPS to find you.
Verizon fed you some complete bullshit or else you misunderstood.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred]
#6606712 - 02/24/07 08:17 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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so what is the best approach to handling text messages? ignore or flatly deny?
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: trent]
#6608931 - 02/25/07 02:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Contact your service provider and have them block texting to your phone or just don't text incriminating info.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6609395 - 02/25/07 05:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Talk in person, outside, somewhere in the middle of nowhere, if you don't want your conversations monitored. If this is not practical, use one of the encrypted E-mail programs (derived from PGP or GPG). If used correctly, and assuming you don't have any spyware or other trojans on your computer, these are secure. Authorities can tell who you talk to but they will have no idea what you talk about.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: trent]
#6611788 - 02/26/07 08:22 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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trent said: so what is the best approach to handling text messages? ignore or flatly deny?
dont text. If people text you about drugs, tell them not too.Keep conversations about drugs as an in-person type thing. If you have something to talk to your dealer about...send them a text telling them to come over to your place.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam]
#6613502 - 02/26/07 05:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sad state today where everyone it tied to their cellphones. It makes it so easy for cops to bust you and put all your friends on their list.
You should never talk about business on a device that is broadcasting what you say over the air! Back in the day people realized this a little more. A modified scanner would pick up analog cellphones and your cordless is easy to pick up.
Most people don't realize that allmost every cordless phone on the market can easily be picked up by any scanner. Those 800mhz phones are easy to pick up and the 2.4 ghz phones only broadcast half the conversation at that frequency, the other half is 800mhz where it's easy to pick up. Also just because your phone has less than a block range it can be picked up by a scanner for several blocks.
At any given time I can pick up at least three phone conversations on my little handheld scanner. And I live in a fairly small town.
You should always talk in code. It's easy, even fun, and it makes you a hell of a lot safer.
Using phones that record a call log is just stupid. What do you think the first thing a cop does when they get your cell phone?
Whenever I call someone it's just to set up a time (not even a place) to talk with them. It should always be a place where you know to meet like "the same place as last time" or "I know where you're at." And when I get there I make it a point to say that my number better not still be on their caller ID.
"Have you seen Bud around lately?" Is a good one. "You know, Bud Green. (aka green, bud)."
-FF
Edited by fastfred (02/26/07 05:51 PM)
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: fastfred] 1
#6615885 - 02/27/07 07:31 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said: Sad state today where everyone it tied to their cellphones. It makes it so easy for cops to bust you and put all your friends on their list.
You should never talk about business on a device that is broadcasting what you say over the air! Back in the day people realized this a little more. A modified scanner would pick up analog cellphones and your cordless is easy to pick up.
Most people don't realize that allmost every cordless phone on the market can easily be picked up by any scanner. Those 800mhz phones are easy to pick up and the 2.4 ghz phones only broadcast half the conversation at that frequency, the other half is 800mhz where it's easy to pick up. Also just because your phone has less than a block range it can be picked up by a scanner for several blocks.
At any given time I can pick up at least three phone conversations on my little handheld scanner. And I live in a fairly small town.
You should always talk in code. It's easy, even fun, and it makes you a hell of a lot safer.
Using phones that record a call log is just stupid. What do you think the first thing a cop does when they get your cell phone?
Whenever I call someone it's just to set up a time (not even a place) to talk with them. It should always be a place where you know to meet like "the same place as last time" or "I know where you're at." And when I get there I make it a point to say that my number better not still be on their caller ID.
"Have you seen Bud around lately?" Is a good one. "You know, Bud Green. (aka green, bud)."
-FF
Pigs arent stupid all the time. While code talk may make you feel cool, it doesnt mean they dont have a clue what you are talking about. If they are suspicious, they will be there. It may not be used against you in court because they cant prove what you meant, but it sure as hell can be used in an investigation. It will get you watched and followed, and then they can make the bust accordingly.
You started off great though...just dont "talk business" on any type of wireless device. Do dealings in person. Call someone and let them know a time, and have a place already set up from a previous meeting.
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Re: You may know this...STAY AWAY FROM TXT MESSAGES [Re: dedjam] 1
#6623112 - 03/01/07 03:54 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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> While code talk may make you feel cool, it doesnt mean they dont have a clue what you are talking about.
Hopefully people realize that. If you have a clue though it isn't that hard to properly code talk. Slang drug terms obviously aren't going to help, and if you get all stupid with your code then the pigs will probably think that you're up to worse than you are.
Just don't be stupid and say some shit like "The sun is shining... but the ice is slippery." Doh!
Say something like "Have you seen Bud/Buddy/Mary around lately?" or "Hey, I need to pick up some greens/salad for dinner tonight, can you give me a lift to the store?"
Most of the code I used to use wasn't set up beforehand, just stuff like that which was usually easily understood by people I knew. Once your buddies catch on you can usually slip anything you want to convey into a non-suspicious conversation. "How's the weather," "What's the forecast for tomorrow?" etc. If you're just a little bit creative you can easily think of a ton more for every situation. If you set up a code word ahead of time it's even easier. We always called an ounce an "Oscar" in my day. It's pretty easy to ask someone "I'm looking for Oscar, have you seen him around?" It's also easy to answer that without sounding weird.
If you say something like "I need to find the duck with an umbrella," or "The falcon is in the air, but the snowman will melt in tomorrows sun," obviously that's just too stupid and you probably deserve to get busted.
-FF
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