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 deepr
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 are we alone 
#656267 - 05/31/02 04:30 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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scientists current theories about the beginning and subsequent laws of the universe account for only 3% of space... situations that could support life as we know it in our universe are tiny... I was previously informed that there are capactities for 1 million possible earths in our own galaxy, now some astronomers are claiming that we could indeed be the only intelligent life forms as we know it, due to the high probability of intelligent life-forms short lifespan..
our species will most probably die out in the next couple of thousand years, we are a mess.. overrun by stupidity and selfishness, controlled and inflicted by power and greed... there are far too many homo sapiens on the planet, i am embarrassed to be a human... nuclear warheads in idiots hands, economy first, environment last (or just enough to appear compassionate for public approval) if we lived for another 100 years Im sure things would be different, we would have to care because we would be impeded with the consequences of our actions...
I know the temptation for selfishness that exists within ourselves and how hard it is to combat it, the poor excuses that we can make can quickly flurry those feelings away, but if we dont change we will die out, at our current rate we have 200 years left ! is anyone else concerned about this?
t.. because of our resource depletion on our planet, even if a small intelligent minority of humans exist, it will be impossible for them to acheive anything. its almost as if this life is a lesson in our own failings, we are shown everything and how close we can get to understanding the meaning of existence but are destroyed because we haven't evolved enough to truly understand our position, we ARE animals, a few thousand years ago we were the hunted... now we are like the teenagers on the scene... obsessed with ourselves and fuck everything else.... lets pray for maturity
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 Re: are we alone [Re: deepr]
#656298 - 05/31/02 04:51 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Will humans at their current level of spiritual maturity and social responsibility last more than one hundred years? Highly Unlikely
If humans are able to see the error in their ways and take responsibility for their actions, and spiritually grow up and evolve will they live for eons to come? Yes
Are humans alone in the Universe as intelligent species? No
Do I have proof? No
Do I need it? No
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 tak_old
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Re: are we alone [Re: ]
#656562 - 05/31/02 07:21 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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People are selfish, and lazy. If it wont effect us right away, there is no need to fix it. Even if it will effect us we wont do it because if it were so important, someone else would. Its not only a lack of understanding, but a lack of motivation wich would be the hardest in the beginning
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Jellric
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Re: are we alone [Re: deepr]
#656646 - 05/31/02 08:22 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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we could indeed be the only intelligent life forms as we know it, due to the high probability of intelligent life-forms short lifespan..
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Even conservative estimates of numbers of civilizations would still mean there are many, many of them given the huge distances and thus possibilities involved. I find it interesting what goes into these probabilities- formulas for calculating the number of advanced civilizations out there that us on Earth could conceivably make contact with. Such a civilization would need to survive long enough to make the technological advances neccessary for contact as you suggested. And that really is the cutoff point. Do they come together or do they destroy themselves to be heard from? I really think we are QUICKLY approaching that point right now. Knowing that it is out of my control, I can only hope and pray we make it. Because in spite of our downside, I think humanity has something redeeming to offer.
Sometimes I feel like Im on the Titanic and Ive seen this movie somewhere before..
the world is old and huge, covering many secrets..
were there prior civilizations here that destroyed themselves in the distant past, only to live on in legend? (The world-wide consistent fables of a great flood..?)
Other times I think we may just stumble our way through it.
I lean towards stumbling through.
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Re: are we alone [Re: Jellric]
#658014 - 06/01/02 06:48 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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same old rap, earth ending, all we have to do is come together to fix it, but obviously if it hasnt happened yet, whos to say it ever will, but whos to say it wont, obviously that is for us to decide as a collective. All it is is a waiting game cause everyone already knows what to do, do i think it will happen, no.
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Re: are we alone [Re: deepr]
#658107 - 06/01/02 07:39 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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"situations that could support life as we know it in our universe are tiny"
something to dwell on...
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dumlovesyou
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Re: are we alone [Re: deepr]
#658214 - 06/01/02 11:56 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very cool post! I agree with we. But I still think there is something we could do!! If not, maybe not all the planet will die, but few will remain.  We have been destroying our mother Earth for a long time now, it's her turn now.
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MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: are we alone [Re: deepr]
#658517 - 06/02/02 05:22 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one KNOWS anything about the prevalence of life in our galaxy - The Milky Way, which is home to 100 billion stars. And, scientists estimate 100 billion galaxies. Seems probability is on the side of THIS universe teeming with life forms. I mean, given planetary bodies with the same 100+ elements, at a certain range of distance from a certain size star. As the old Miller experiment in the 60's showed, amino acids can be formed by UV exposure, and electrical discharges through water, ammonia, hydrogen and methane.
Now, it's a long haul from amino acid to intelligent life, but even if it didn't happen exactly like that on Earth (you know, in case we were we were 'seeded' by extraterrestrials), it had to happen somewhere. And, well, you know about the time element - 6 days in God's framework equals about 4 billion years - like the kalpas in a day of Hinduism's Brahma.
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Levidicus
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I really, honestly don't think humans will make it. Humans are too obsessed with eachother. They are all infected, like insects. There are a few good ones, but the majority of then are retarded. We kill eachother for pointless things.
Is a piece of our own planet really important enough to take away another life for some pointless reason?
Sit down, smoke a bowl, and think about how humans are the worst creatures of this planet.
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Anonymous
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Re: are we alone [Re: Levidicus]
#658640 - 06/02/02 06:59 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Levidicus , you sure are self hating. Oh, that's right, you're not human.
You seem to be a bunch of eternal pessimists (not all of you). With every adversity, comes new possiblities. If you don't understand this on some level you will be hampered in your will or ability to improve things. The nay sayers accomplish nothing, they don't improve things, those who take action do.
Humans have within themselves the capacity to do great and wonderful things. Of this I am sure, it gives me hope and motivates me to do things. The future belongs to those who are willing to make it, not those who resign themselves to it.
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Re: are we alone [Re: ]
#658813 - 06/02/02 09:32 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are wise oh jedi master.
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deepr
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Re: are we alone [Re: ]
#659102 - 06/02/02 12:34 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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levidicus is right there though, and evolving... who said we werent trying to make a difference, i would love to make a difference. It is very hard though.. all over the world there is bad news, species extinction, habitat destruction, environment destroying, rainforest deforestation, ozone layer depletion, nuclear waste, human breeding
eg. taiwan helps the solomon islands with their debts. in return taiwan are taking a couple of billion tonnes of hazardous waste and dumping it on a pristine untouched island in the solomons so that they wont have to deal with it.. the solomons govt cant refuse because they are screwed economically and politically. and the list is never ending. The world works on a stupid formula... the obsession with money, this will not change, it will get worse. As I have said before, if the developed countries are not brought up to speed (ie. america wiping third world debt) the destruction of these countries and the population EXPLOSION is going to continue and make the most serious issue food and water, not technology.. there are going to be some intense wars and conflicts in the future over this stuff, and we are going to suffer... we are de-evolving as we speak, this very well could be the golden era of human existence, lets hope not...
i am not a nay sayer, i want to make a difference, it is hard though... maybe you could help me
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: are we alone [Re: Levidicus]
#659487 - 06/02/02 06:25 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't use hemp anymore, thanks anyway. You might begin to consider the depressive, negativistic tone of your attitude to be due in part to the use of said substance. Nihilism, a philosophy born of depression, is in turn, a result of meaninglessness. As Crosby, Stills and Nash once sang, "...to sing the blues...you've got to refuse...to carry on..." Nirvana is co-existent with all this Samsara. It's all in the ecstatic moment. Learn to dig it!
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nomez_
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Re: are we alone [Re: deepr]
#665027 - 06/05/02 08:37 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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"i say lets evolve, and let the chips fall where they may"
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