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Eating Organic
    #6558678 - 02/12/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

What do you guys think about eating organic?

I eat probably 90% organic, basically everything I can though sometimes I snack on things that aren't the healthiest, and these usually aren't organic.

I eat it because pesticides, herbicides, and chemical fertilizers are 1. bad for the earth, and 2. bad for me.

I live in a place where there is a lot of organic farms and a high consiousness surrounding this way of life. Most of the people I know try to eat as much organic as possible, though a lot have to sacrifice because of the cost of eating organic. I just suffer, don't buy as much, or at least just put more money to eating quality rather then maybe going out on a friday night or something.

Im wondering how many people here think eating organic is important. How much organic foods do people eat, and what do they have to skimp on.

Also what are peoples reasons for eating organic.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: mattymonkey]
    #6559096 - 02/12/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I eat both Organic and Non-Organic Foods.Most of the organic food that I buy is dry food like rye,wheat and spet flour and other baking stuff. That I like to use for my sour dough starters.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brainiac]
    #6559238 - 02/12/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

once in a blue moon my boyfriend and i will buy organic, but in the summer i have fruit trees at home, and a garden. all organic! but when it comes to shopping, genrally the organic section is pretty pricey, and we dont usually go out of our way to buy it. we generally eat pretty healthy, when it comes to meat, we usually make a point of buying organic.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brainiac]
    #6560482 - 02/12/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #6562417 - 02/13/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm much more picky about my meat than anything else. I only buy organic produce if it's noticeably better looking than the standard (when given a choice). I managed a produce department for a couple years and I've seen how much faster organic starts to degrade. I'm just very careful about washing produce, always use some sort of citrus wash to get all that wax and shit off my apples. Peppers, broccoli, carrots, tomatoes, beans and herbs; I grow myself.

I only buy grain fed, free range chicken and hormone/ preservative free beef. A lot of fish (especially fresh water) I buy farm raised. You don't want to eat a catfish that's been bottom feeding and living off shit its whole life.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6563109 - 02/13/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Brewmaster said:
You don't want to eat a catfish that's been bottom feeding and living off shit its whole life.




so why is eating mushrooms ok?


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #6563348 - 02/13/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Because mushrooms don't eat shit?

I don't eat mushrooms anyway.


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Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6563794 - 02/13/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

thats great people are aware of the dangers of eating non organic animal products, i agree its possibly the one place you really dont want to skimp out on

i too think growin your own is the best and most healty way of getting produce, grain production is really intensive so it makes sense to buy that but the less you  buy the better off youll be

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: mattymonkey]
    #6564131 - 02/13/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

as far as organic veggies, unless you're buying locally and know for a fact they don't use any synth. ferts./pesticides, commercial organic growers can still use a wide range of synth. chemicals on their "organic" products.

So if you're buying in-store, it's not worth the extra money



best bet is to grow your own :smile:


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: demiu5]
    #6565346 - 02/14/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I think eating organic free range meat and eggs is important.

In a recent argument with a cynical ex-roommate, he was bugging me about it. Maybe im just paranoid by conspiracy - but i feel that there's a direct correlation between what we eat and "getting bigger, developing younger, and being less immune/more-sick and diseased.

I think that hormones and preservatives put into commercial meat have a great impact on our lives.

Also, organic meat usually looks better, is bigger, and tastes 10 fold better than its steroid laden, food deprived, drugged up imitator.

With fruits and veggies, i don't care so much - but i do like organic avacados and tomato's, i find their taste and consistancy to be especially better. I prefere non organic banana's..

I also think its important to recognize that.. yes, even i.. feel better about eating organic. I am not alone.. Regrettably this is a relative effect of the "pro organic" marketing, and the movement as a whole. Its a similar psychology to "the charity effect" - when someone gives to a cause and feels better through placebo - even if the charity is mostly administration fee's.

We feel better because we're brainwashed through the industry to.

This isn't entirely true, but.. is something reasonable to think about.

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: PDU]
    #6565750 - 02/14/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I feel better not because Im brainwashed, but because it actually is better for the Earth, i agree with you that large business getting into the organic market are taking advantage of this but its not the only reason.

as far as fruits and veggies go, the more liquidy the fruit, the more it will have a lot of the pesticices etc in it. I believe it stays mostly in the water in te fruit. so strawberries, citrus, etc, will most likely have more of the nasties in it. Sorry I dont have anythin to back me up on this, peraps its just intuition.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6569358 - 02/14/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Because mushrooms don't eat shit?






o rly?







I think, for the most part, organic foods are bogus. There is no indication where the "hormones" used, or the herbicides, or the feed used impacts our lives in a negative way. All of the methods developed to increase production has increased our lifespans and has alleviate hunger in most areas. Ever hear of Henry Beachell or Norman Borlaug? Heroes.

But hey, the moral satisfaction organic foods gives to some people is probably very good.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: zathan]
    #6569626 - 02/15/07 01:40 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

www.rawvolution.com

They have an awesome cook book for organic food. BTW if you are near Santa Monica check it out, their food is amazing.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: zathan] * 1
    #6569966 - 02/15/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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There is no indication where the "hormones" used, or the herbicides, or the feed used impacts our lives in a negative way.




Yeah, who doesn't want to see 8 year olds with double D tits?


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Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6571743 - 02/15/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Brewmaster said:
Quote:

There is no indication where the "hormones" used, or the herbicides, or the feed used impacts our lives in a negative way.




Yeah, who doesn't want to see 8 year olds with double D tits?





Modern early puberty in kids is a direct result of better nutrition and health care as the years progress.

But here

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/living/16673794.htm


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: zathan]
    #6573973 - 02/16/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

In my opinion, early puberty (within the last 50 years) is related to the meat and dairy explosion that barley started within the last 50 years.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: mattymonkey]
    #6578763 - 02/17/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i see organic as a good thing. But now with FDA control. Corporated farms are allowed to use x amount of chemicals while still being "organic" thus supplying the concious eaters a healthier product. But it also degrades the quality, because of set standards and allowances.

Bring back the local growers and small time farmers. Bring back the people that really care about the earth and the food we eat. I want the fruit the vegetables to be raised with a passion a concious act of nurturing and raising, to the highest quality. With the soul mission of nurishing the earth and living in balance.

Each town should have it's farmers. One guy raises free range chicken, one guy grows vegetables, another grows fruits another grows mushrooms. Each town should have it's own market, where the local products are shaired.

Like other countries do it.

Screw regulations and industrialised manufacturing, we are not machines that need sythesized nutrients. We need good food god damnit!

If my art falls threw i know i will be a great farmer. I will have the best vegetables and mushrooms of the highest quality grown with love and respect.

Long live sustainable living and permaculture!

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6579361 - 02/17/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: mattymonkey]
    #6579702 - 02/17/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I buy almost all my fresh food from the farmer's market and think seasonal and local is more important than "organic." I'm especially picky about animal products. I'd rather go without milk, cheese, eggs and milk than eat mass-produced products. I don't want to eat some animal that had a miserable stunted life swimming in its own shit and eating the processed remains of its forbearers.

I live in a city so I'm pretty separated from the production of my food but going to the farmer's market every few days gives me an opportunity to know the people that grow and raise my food because I can't do it myself. I would totally get into urban farming if I could, like having a bee hive and some egg-laying chickens on my roof would be so cool. Hopefully in the future more cities will encourage small-scale agriculture.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6579841 - 02/17/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

We've got a local farmers market twice a week, in the summer. Everything from organic local honey, to corn, soap, carrots, potatoes, rubarb, salsa, etc. -- really good values too.

We also have local organic poultry, beef, and buffalo (and Elk) at the local grocer!


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: PDU]
    #6583968 - 02/19/07 02:35 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

If all farms converted into organic methods using non-hybrid crops, there would not be enough farm space to feed the ever growing number of people.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: zathan]
    #6587563 - 02/19/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

There was an interesting article in the paper yesterday, Actually about a lecture i sadly missed, at the university.

it was.. SO+SO vs. Monsanto.

Basically he was an organic canola farmer, and his fellow farmers GMO'd canola seed/pollen was carried by the wind into his field, where it was fertilized and obviously took over..

Anyways, Monsanto sent their *patent police* into the fields of this certain area, and sued the farmer for copyright infringement from stealing their "superior" seeds... which actually ruined his crop.

Apperently now Monsanto is working on two different technologies regarding GMO - basically making their seeds eliminate the competition in nature, and then overtaking the current crops of the same seed. (if that makes sense.)

Shitty shit to think about..

The more GMO we eat, the more chemicals we aren't informed about - the more our chemistry will change.. and alot of people suspect that there will be (and already are) correlations of disease rates.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: PDU]
    #6593167 - 02/21/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'd never heard of a "Co-op" before I visited Burlington, VT. Kinda like the Utopia that Kielbasa was ranting about. Almost everything is locally grown and produced. Products sold there by outside/larger companies sacrifice a big chunk of their return profits because it is being put back into the local community. All the growers get to set their own prices and they own stock in the store.
It's great, every town should have one.


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Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.

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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6593765 - 02/21/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Co-ops are cool because everyone working there dedicates a time to work there. They then get paid with food. To be a member of a co-op you have to help out.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6608697 - 02/25/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

FOr those that doubt the merits of organic growing I ask you to consider the link between pesticides and the decline of bee populations world wide. The bee population has declined roughly by 50% over the past 50 years. THese numbers are staggering and the resulting loss of crops that these bees pollinate will hit our ability to produce food very harshly.

Perhaps organic foods won't feed all of our people but at this point the danger of conventional foods will destroy much of our ability to feed ourselves as well. This harsh reality is more indicative of the problem of over population and our inability to feed everyone with any type of food.

That said I collect my own food: mushrooms, berries,sea vegetables, vegetables, fish etc. This is far superior to any organic methods and all though is not possible for everyone to do is far less invasive than farming on the natural environment. Considering it is difficult to collect all your food I do buy organic foods to supplement this.

Organic foods can be expensive to buy however I have decided to adjust the rest of my lifestyle to allow myself to treat my body right. I do not own a car nor do I eat commerical meat therefore I free up the rescources often put towards these to put towards organic foods.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: LaineRB]
    #6611356 - 02/26/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Pesticides, maybe. But it's highly regulated and farmers are reluctant to use it knowing the consequences. Also, I've already heard of the decline in bee population. It has more to do with mites.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6326020


http://www.mindfully.org/Heritage/2004/Bee-Decline-Fruits5oct04.htm


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: zathan]
    #6611901 - 02/26/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

x


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: LaineRB]
    #6611972 - 02/26/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Bees suffer from a mite that gets into their lung/breathing things. They are infact sufficating to death as we speak.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #6611985 - 02/26/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I would have let the bees stay.

Down the street there is this house that has bats in the attic and bees in the walls.

How awesome would it be knowing that your house is also helping the community?

The down fall to the bats is the fact that, the house had over 2000 pounds of guano on the floor of the attic. But that 2000 pounds can fetch 13 bucks a pound, or it can fertelise a huge organic garden out back.

The huge amount of bees in the house, is probably the largest community of bees we have. They are probably what keeps this town alive in many aspect.

2000 pounds of guano, think of how many mosquitos it took to make that. I am glad that the bats ate them so that the bugs don't eat me.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6612001 - 02/26/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Africanized honey bees haven't suffer from mites. They make two times the honey and bees wax.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/mar04/bees0304.htm


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brainiac]
    #6612015 - 02/26/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah just what we need, nast agressive bees living in the house down the street.:)


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    #6612033 - 02/26/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I have heard when thay are mad.They can hunt three hours for what pissed them off.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Brainiac]
    #6616470 - 02/27/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I usually only buy thin skinned organic fruits and vegetables. Greens, apples, onions, etc. I buy free range eggs because chickens raised on a diverse diet have better tasting eggs. My gf gets her beef from her parents, who raise it themselves. They arent organic or even all natural, but they dont need to use preventative antibiotics and steriods like the CFOs and CAFOs. These are the biggest source of groundwater pollution from runoff. Button mushroom farms are the biggest users of insecticide.

I think what brewmaster is getting at, is wild fish that live in a watershed contaminated by human feces. ie, the rain comes and floods the sewers and all sewage water, black and grey and rain water is dumped into a river or lake. It isn't good to eat from this source, its proven that intestinal parasites will spread amongst a population.


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    #6616487 - 02/27/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think pesticides are killing bees but it is killing off beneficial insects faster than it kills pests. That much is easy because after forty to fifty years, we use more pesticides per acre and suffer more crop loss.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: zathan]
    #6616499 - 02/27/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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If all farms converted into organic methods using non-hybrid crops, there would not be enough farm space to feed the ever growing number of people.




Thats not true, bio dynamic farms yield 2-3x more than traditional row cropping.

And hybridizing aka breeding isnt my enemy, its gene manipulation that is the devil. see my next post.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: PDU]
    #6616507 - 02/27/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Monsanto is responsible for the killer pigweed that is spreading around the American southeast. It is resistant to roundup. They will be forced to pay $$$$ damages to man for their crimes against nature.


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: YidakiMan]
    #6642387 - 03/06/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

mmmmmmm organic, better yet local organic


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Re: Eating Organic [Re: Macuilxochitl]
    #6642570 - 03/06/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I recently bought some organic raw honey, looks off white in color, and is solid at room temp. Its bomb as hell!


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