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jmg5
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alcohol alkaloid extraction
#6548084 - 02/09/07 04:10 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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just did one with peruvian torch, can't wait to eat the results
anyway, will alcohol extract any other alkaloids? If I used the same process with powdered mimosa what would happen? (i'd test to see myself but have a limited amount) If it doesn't work why not?
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: jmg5]
#6548438 - 02/09/07 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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alcohol extracts are the best!!!! You'll most likely find it to be far more enjoyable then synthetic or pure mescaline. The full spectrum of the cactus is impressive indeed. How many grams of dried cactus did you use?
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jmg5
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yeah last time I just ate the cactus straight up.. pretty gross but awesome effects. For the alcohol extraction I used about 70 grams, it'll either be a really nice trip for one or a great buzz for two
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: jmg5]
#6550078 - 02/10/07 09:45 AM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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thedudenj
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yeah tar is good but dont try this at home unless you really know what your doing a very very small amount of syrian rue or caapi can be thrown in too but if you use to much can and probbally will die modertaion is the key to living
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Polyrhythmanaut said: alcohol extracts are the best!!!! You'll most likely find it to be far more enjoyable then synthetic or pure mescaline. The full spectrum of the cactus is impressive indeed. How many grams of dried cactus did you use?
Whenever I have had mescaline I have always consumed dried cactus powder but was considering doing an a/b extraction to get pure crystals. Apart from it being easier would an alcohol extraction be better since you do get the full spectrum of extracted alkaloids in the cactus and not just the mescaline salt?
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thedudenj
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: MindFood]
#6551563 - 02/10/07 06:07 PM (17 years, 9 days ago) |
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damn skippy its better!
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: thedudenj]
#6551621 - 02/10/07 06:26 PM (17 years, 9 days ago) |
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thedudenj said: yeah tar is good but dont try this at home unless you really know what your doing a very very small amount of syrian rue or caapi can be thrown in too but if you use to much can and probbally will die modertaion is the key to living
So if I do the same process as with cactus I can end up with a tar from caapi or mimosa? Or were you talking about using too much mescaline?
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: MindFood]
#6551628 - 02/10/07 06:28 PM (17 years, 9 days ago) |
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Can anybody reference any information about alcohol extracting any alkaloids that aren't extracted through a water and nonpolar solvent a/b extraction?
To my knowledge this is an unfounded myth.
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: MindFood]
#6553857 - 02/11/07 12:06 PM (17 years, 9 days ago) |
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david_8956 said:
Whenever I have had mescaline I have always consumed dried cactus powder but was considering doing an a/b extraction to get pure crystals. Apart from it being easier would an alcohol extraction be better since you do get the full spectrum of extracted alkaloids in the cactus and not just the mescaline salt?
From my understanding a typical acid/base extraction would eliminate many of the other alkaloids that are pulled by the polar and non polar solvents. I have never undertaken said extraction on cacti powder. I have however sampled a friends pure product(wow!). My favorite method is the tried and true alcohol extraction. It doesn't get any easier than that. The end product might seem crude and "second best", it really just depends on your preference of pure substance to full spectrum. Every time i down half of gram of salt i come to the conclusion that, while effective and impressive, it lacks the overall quality of a good dose of the tar. The body high between the two is a good reference point for judging qualitative differences between the salt and the tar.
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that all depends on the solubility of the alkaloids contained in the cacti.
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Mezcal
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What alkaloids are you talking about? Seriously... full spectrum of what? There is absolutely no evidence that alcohol will get any alkaloids that a typical a/b will not extract. Your experience that the two were different does not mean that there were alkaloids extracted one way... they were obviously on different occasions, probably with different cacti, and most importantly, subjective analysis without any regard to chemical constituency.
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thedudenj
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: Mezcal]
#6554120 - 02/11/07 01:37 PM (17 years, 8 days ago) |
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well taking a cactus extract but adding the maoi to it so theres maoi in the tar by the time the maoi kicks in theres still 2h1/2 hours before the cactus kicks in
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: Mezcal]
#6554529 - 02/11/07 03:35 PM (17 years, 8 days ago) |
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Snyder said: What alkaloids are you talking about? Seriously... full spectrum of what? There is absolutely no evidence that alcohol will get any alkaloids that a typical a/b will not extract. Your experience that the two were different does not mean that there were alkaloids extracted one way... they were obviously on different occasions, probably with different cacti, and most importantly, subjective analysis without any regard to chemical constituency.
Hey Snider- I agree that there is a lack of any scientific evidence, and i definitely am not giving any final word. I should specify that my experience is in fact highly subjective and "UN-scientific".ha So please correct me if I'm wrong.: : What i was lead to believe is that if you perform an acid/base extraction you end up with only a few of the actives in the cactus, namely mescaline. But Ive also read that there are many unresearched Phenethylamines present in the cactus that have not been isolated. Ive taken "full spectrum" to mean including all the other chemicals that are in the Cati's natural form. I could be completely sideways about this
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Mezcal
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Phenethylamines are readily extracted by the a/b process, just as mescaline is. Shulgin has written a bit about isoquinolines, but to my knowledge those aren't known to be present in the trichocereus spp., only in the loph's and more exotic cacti that typically aren't consumed for their mescaline content.
In other words, if you're eating an alcohol extract or an a/b extract, the only things that are active in terms of alkaloids will have the same profile in both.
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Re: alcohol alkaloid extraction [Re: Mezcal]
#6555604 - 02/11/07 08:13 PM (17 years, 8 days ago) |
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Thanks for shedding light. Ive got PHIKAL coming in the mail and cant wait to dive in.
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