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fastfred
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: fastfred]
#6560178 - 02/12/07 08:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm guessing that you probably aren't so hardcore about home defence judging by the fact that you've let this go on so long.
Given that, here's what I would do. I have a neighbor who I often see dressed in cammo and hunting vest presumably on his way out hunting. He loves to talk about his gun collection, hunting, what kinds of shotgun loads he uses, etc. He tells hunting stories and mimes tracking a bird and pulling the trigger, and loves to boast about what a good shot he is. I know for a fact that he's shown the landlord his gun collection, he loves to show them off. He also has a NRA sticker on his vehicle, etc.
He's a really nice guy, but I know for a fact that nobody who's ever met him is going to just walk into his place.
So I advise everyone to get a cheap shotgun, name it, and be proud of it. Anytime you meet a neighbor or landlord, etc. be sure to have a hunting story ready. Just say, Oh gosh I love to hunt, why just last season 3 grouse popped up so close to me that I was startled and they got 50 yards away before I could draw a bead on them, I only had #8 dove load, but I've got a full choke on my gun and it's dead on so luckily I was able to drop two of them with one shot!
It's also probably a good idea to let them see you coming home with your shotgun sometimes. Then they'll be sure not to go inside when you're gone.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: fastfred]
#6563967 - 02/13/07 06:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also a good idea to answer the door holding a handgun (like cleaning it or something) when people come over to visit you and stuff.
NRA stickers near entrances and I had an "Insured by Ruger" bumper sticker a short while.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: rawtoxic]
#6564669 - 02/13/07 09:05 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just get a..
"This residence protected by Lightningfractal."
sticker!
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Good ideas... My favorites are "Insured by Smith and Wesson" and the "Nothing in this house is worth YOUR life" stickers.
Being in Canada though, you better not get anything picturing a pistol though. I know from experience that that WILL draw the heat in Canada.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: fastfred]
#6566954 - 02/14/07 01:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol sticker culture shock.
"But I ordered the sticker from America officer, I don't own a pistol!"
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Try crossing the border with a handgun sticker on your truck sometime... Guaranteed hours of fun.
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Yeah, you are letting people walk all over you, and it sounds like white trash that is doing it.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: fastfred]
#6619926 - 02/28/07 10:21 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said: I should probably mention that you're not usually allowed to just blow away intruders any more in most areas. People shooting unarmed intruders sometimes get involuntary manslaughter and do a couple years in prison.
The rules in the US as far as I understand them is that if someone is armed with a gun you can blow them away at any distance. If they're armed with a knife then the rule is 7 feet. If they're unarmed then they must be attacking you or lunging towards you at fairly close distance.
That's for killing someone though. I'm pretty sure you can non-lethally shoot them in most circumstances with no fear of being prosecuted.
Even if there was an emergency people are still expect to knock and announce themselves. There is never any excuse for someone to just walk into your place. I know if anyone did that to me I would have them face down on the ground, probably with a rifle butt to the back of the head helping them down and then they would have a lot of explaining to do. If they had any complaints about their treatment at the end of it they would remain at gunpoint on the ground until the cops arrived and I would press charges for breaking and entering, illegal entry, trespassing, and whatever else they could reasonably be charged with.
I know you can have handguns in Canada, but a shotgun is a far better weapon for home defence anyway. You can get single-shot models pretty cheaply. They are great for hunting. You can also load them with anything from rock salt to dove load to 00 buckshot to slugs. Let me tell you, you don't want to see what even a 20 gage slug will do to a tree, let alone a person. They're also handy for delivering blows. A pistol whipping, while effective, can't compare to a good hard blow from the butt of a shotgun.
I'm pretty sure there is some wrong info here. From what I have been told, if someone enters your house you must shoot to kill. I have heard numerous stories where because the owner injures the intruder with a gun, but doesn't kill them, the intruder sues them. And another where the intruder got injured inside the house and was able to successfully sue. The legal system is quite unclear about this, and really, no one should be able to sue you for something that happened to them while trespassing...totally ridiculous.
Back to topic, I am in favor of answering the door with a gun. That would stop them.
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The reason you hear about such stories is because they are so crazy and unusual. I highly doubt any of those cases held up upon appeal.
It's true that dead men tell no tales, but it really wouldn't help you to kill them anyway. The dead person's relatives can sue you just as easily as if the robber were still alive himself.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: fastfred]
#6624949 - 03/01/07 04:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said:
The best way is to stand up for your rights. Your rental is your home for the duration of your lease. Nobody is ever supposed to come into your place without permission. The only exceptions are for emergencies like broken water pipes, fire, etc. Often leases will say that the landlord can come in for a yearly or biyearly inspection, or to show the place, with 24-48 hours written notice.
So know your rights and tell them that they are trespassing and that you'll call the cops or sue them if they illegally enter.
-FF
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: Mezcal]
#6640864 - 03/06/07 10:10 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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snyder said: Probably the lease includes a stipulation that they can enter to assess anything like an "emergency". To get a real answer you'll need to take your lease to a lawyer and have them take a look at it.
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Police aren't allowed to enter a premises without a warrant but would an illegal inspection by a landlord be admissible for them to give a warrant or probable cause?
I have had it happen.
My girlfriend lives in a low income “HUD” apartment complex. I was staying with her for a little while and had a home made brine shrimp hatchery for feeding my Betta fry. It is a bottle cut in half with the top flipped over and stuck in the bottom so it will stand up. You then fill it with water and stick a air hose attached to a bubbler into the bottle, so the brine shrimp eggs stay suspended in the water.
Well, my girlfriend and I were away for the week. While we were gone they decided to do a inspection and stuck a notice on the door “which we never saw”. Anyways, while they were doing the inspection they saw my brine shrimp hatchery and thought it was a drug lab or some shit, and called the police. We got a call from one of the neighbors telling us that the police and the apartment complex manager were in the house taking pictures.
We found out that the cops were not the one's taking pictures, but the manager. We called the police station immediately to ask WTF was going on. The guy sort of laughed and told us that it was no big deal, and he knew right away that it was not a drug lab.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: res]
#6749529 - 04/05/07 06:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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We called the police station immediately to ask WTF was going on. The guy sort of laughed and told us that it was no big deal, and he knew right away that it was not a drug lab.
I would've told him that's not what the fuck I was talking about
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: demiu5]
#6749731 - 04/05/07 08:21 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Owning your place has CERTAIN advantages. I realize everyone can't do that. But, it sure makes me feel secure.
Plus, a long driveway, 3 big mean dogs, concealed security camera's & alarm system. Not to mention, there are 4 buildings on my property. Each of which is on a separate parcel & has a different address number. Sneaky part is, the numbers were changed. So, if someone every showed up with a search warrant for my home/shop. They would discover their search warrant was for my barn.
Best suggestion I can make is replace the locks on a bedroom door, so the landlords key doesn't fit/work.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: agar]
#6750006 - 04/05/07 10:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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<<So, if someone every showed up with a search warrant for my home/shop. They would discover their search warrant was for my barn.>>
That's incredibly clever. Plenty of time to do some emergency cleaning once you hear all the commotion next door.
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Re: Apartment raided [Re: SuperD]
#6762309 - 04/08/07 06:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not to mention, the "liability" of opening inspecting 1,000
 ORCHID CULTURE FLASKS 
Any of which, they "open", they Contaminate. Which would create a several $100K liability.
Not to mention, liability of entering a "clean room". Thereby contaminating it.
So on & so forth.
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