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Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please
    #6548441 - 02/09/07 08:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Tomorrow I was planning to try out this steer manure, I've never used it before and know it's downsides but am going to try it and compare it yields to straight coir/coffee trays, that is if it even works.

So far.. I bought the manure on Monday it's been on the deck getting good sun and has lost any ammonia smell, just gone today actually. It seems to be a very nice consistency IMO.





Mix to one quart of spawn:
2 quarts cow poop
1 quart verm
1 quart coir
1 cup coffee
4 tbsp oyster shell flour
4 tbsp gypsum (unsure of this amount? )
1 tbsp liquid seaweed extract

Hydrate with coffee.
PH test to be sure.
Pasteurize in a pillowcase submerged in water 1h30min

I don't really have much coffee available so I was considering adding liquid
kelp like used to add to water for plants? I don't know how much to use and
couldn't find anything using search. And when should I add it?

Thanks in advance for any comments or ideas.


Edited by rawtoxic (02/09/07 09:06 PM)


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Re: Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please [Re: rawtoxic]
    #6548494 - 02/09/07 08:57 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Did you leach the cow manure before you put it out to dry?
If you didn't, you probably should. The ammonia is still there, you just won't smell it because the manure is dried out.

Adding verm and coir will help aerate the manure sub.

The amount of coffee you list seems excessive. Personally, I wouldn't bother with it at this point of trying a new bagged manure. If you do add some, I would cut it down to maybe a cupful to your mix.


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Re: Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please [Re: shobimono]
    #6548533 - 02/09/07 09:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't leach the manure no, RR made it seem like it was unneccessary.

I was thinking of not using the coffee but again RR recommended it in some of my reading today but yes I agree a cupful would be more appropiate.


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Re: Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please [Re: rawtoxic]
    #6548673 - 02/09/07 10:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Field picked manure usually does not need leaching as there is very little ammonia in it.

It is a good idea to leach bagged manure because it usually comes from feed lots. The animals in these lots live in cramped quarters. They shit on the ground, piss on top of that and walk all over it. This scraped up and sold in the bags you buy.


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Re: Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please [Re: shobimono]
    #6548745 - 02/09/07 10:27 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I understand what your saying I am aware of this. I didn't know leaching with water was necessary - RR called allowing this to set outside is to FLASH it.

Quote:

Some of the biggest mushrooms I ever grew were on composted cow manure out of the bag. Just mix it with coir and verm to fluff it up along with the straw, then add gypsum and pasteurize.




He has gone onto add that if poo smells like ammonia let it set in sun outside for a few days nothing about adding moisture.


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Re: Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please [Re: rawtoxic]
    #6548855 - 02/09/07 11:27 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

In my experience, when the ammonia smell is gone, the ammonia is gone too.

I'd suggest two quarts of spawn for your above recipe. It will colonize a bit sooner. I'd also up both the gypsum and oyster shells to 1/2 cup each.
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Re: Cow Manure Substrate Mix - Comments please [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6612485 - 02/26/07 03:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

*UPDATE*
I did this recipe on 2/16/06
Mix to one quart of spawn:
2 quarts cow poop
1 quart verm
1 quart coir
1/2 cup coffee
1/2 cup oyster shell flour
1/2 cup gypsum

I spawned to 18qt dish tubs using 2 quarts of spawns (so recipe 2x).

Everything was colonized densely and seemed to perform equally with the HPOO I've been doing. It was cased with 50/50+ today will be patched in 4 days and then fruited. Mycelium looked very rhizoed and healthy/happy when cased today.

Lets hope the success continues into fruiting (which can be the holdup with cow poo i understand).

Thanks for everyones help and I'll show some pics if it fruits successfully! I should be able to offer a valid side by side comparison of it between home depot bagged cow manure vs. shroomery vendor horse manure.


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