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 How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? 
#6539414 - 02/07/07 07:09 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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How would you drain big quantities of WBS (25 or more kilo) after soaking and before PC?
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 Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6539480 - 02/07/07 07:51 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use a tray I made for a large dehydrator. Its simply a 2x2' square w/ window screen stapled on, then lathe nailed on to keep it sturdy. You can make one any size you want. Ive also seen people use 5 gallon buckets, with a hole cut out of the lid, and window screen placed inbetween the lid and the bucket. You can soak the grain in the bucket then just flip it over in your bathtub or sink and let it drain.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6539521 - 02/07/07 08:17 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you have a clothes dryer.
Place 10 kilo hydrated wbs in a sturdy pillow case bag.
Tie the bag closed VERY WELL.
Place bag in cloths dryer, on WARM.
Let it spin awhile (6 or 8 minutes).
Then, check to see if it needs more drying.
Once wbs looks/feels fairly dry.
Rig another bag & repeat.
You can drain/dry 25+ kilo hydrated wbs, very fast, that way.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: agar]
#6539801 - 02/07/07 10:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Many thanks for your help mattymonkey and agar!
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: agar]
#6539818 - 02/07/07 10:17 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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agar said:
If you have a clothes dryer.
Place 10 kilo hydrated wbs in a sturdy pillow case bag.
Tie the bag closed VERY WELL.
Place bag in cloths dryer, on WARM.
Let it spin awhile (6 or 8 minutes).
Then, check to see if it needs more drying.
Once wbs looks/feels fairly dry.
Rig another bag & repeat.
You can drain/dry 25+ kilo hydrated wbs, very fast, that way.
Sadly I dont have any dryer... but I found this in ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/SECADORA-DE-ROPA-INBRO-OFERTONNNNNNN_W0QQitemZ150088982755QQihZ005QQcategoryZ71256QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Do you think it would work?
I use a translator for its characteristics, here it is what it says:
THAT A WRINGER TO BUY, IF YOU CAN BUY INBRO'S DRYER (INDUSTRIES BROTHER) FOR A MORE LIMITED(SMALL) GREAT PRICE, AND BESIDE DRYING THE CLOTHES IT(HE,SHE) WARMS THE ROOM AND DISINFECTS HIS(ITS,HER) ARTICLES(GARMENTS,SECURITIES) OF BACTERIA. THIS VALUED IN 120E. IDEAL TO THE MOST DELICATE CLOTHES THE CLOTHES GO THAT MAKES LACKING IRON!!!!!!!!
THE ADVANTAGES: IT(HE,SHE) OCCUPIES LESS SPACE SINCE IT(HE,SHE) CAN DISMANTLE IT AND TO GUARD IT IN HIS(ITS) BOX, HAS CAPACITY GREAT IN WHOLE YOU CAN HANG 18 HANGERS WITH HIS(ITS,HER) ARTICLES(GARMENTS,SECURITIES). IT(HE,SHE) IS EQUIVALENT TO 10KG, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF OUT IT(HE,SHE) DOES THE SUN OR IT RAINS, DRIED RAPID AND EFFECTIVE AVOIDING THE DETERIORATION OF THE ARTICLES(GARMENTS,SECURITIES), SINCE IT(HE,SHE) DOES NOT DRY FOR FRICTION BUT FOR TRAFFIC OF WARM AIR, ON HAVING CLOSED THE GLOBE I KNOW INCHA AND THE WARM AIR CIRULA BETWEEN(AMONG) THE ARTICLES(GARMENTS,SECURITIES) WITHOUT SPOILING THEM, THE REMAINING AIR GOES OUT FOR A FEW TOP ORIFICES WHICH WARM THE ENVIRONMENT, REDUCES WRINKLES AND TIME OF IRONING, YOU PROP HE(SHE) HAS A LUZ'S INGENIOUS SYSTEM UV, WHICH DISINFECTS AND STERILIZES THE ARTICLES(GARMENTS,SECURITIES) OF CLOTHES, BESIDES TO SAVE EVEN 35 PER CENT IN COMPARISON WITH UNA'S EXPENSE TRADITIONAL WRINGER, VERY SILENTLY AND POWERFULLY, ALSO IT(HE,SHE) CAN BE IN USE TO WARM THE ROOM AND TO DISINFECT THE ENVIRONMENT, OR AS COAT RACK OF CLOTHES, HAS TEMPORIZADOR IT(HE,SHE) GIVES 30 UP TO(EVEN) 180MINUTOS AND THE CLOTHES ON HAVING REMAINED CLOSED WE PREVENT IT(HIM,HER) FROM RETURNING THERE IS ENSUCIARSE IN TOUCH WITH IT(HE,SHE) ANGERS.
THE ONLY PORTABLE WRINGER IN EBAY THAT FULFILLS THE REGULATION ISO TO OBTAIN THE CERTIFICATE C.E., DESCONFIA OF THE PRODUCTS PIRATES WHO DO NOT FULFILL ANY REQUIREMENT AND CAN BE HARMFUL TO HIS(ITS) HEALTH.
TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS: COMMUNITY PRODUCT CE, REGULATION ISO 9001:2000, CONNECTION OF NET 220V, PROMOTES 900W, I WEIGH 4,8KG, MEASURED IN BOX 56X30X30CM, MOUNTED 1,60 GIVES HIGH PLACE FOR FOR 70CM OF ANHCO, WITH MANUAL OF INSTRUCTIONS AND GUARANTEED.
Many thanks in advance!;)
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6539939 - 02/07/07 11:00 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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A piece of window screen attached to a plastic or wood frame.
I assume you have a walk-in autoclave or fifty PC's? You can't soak more than you can sterilize or it ferments and ruins.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6539962 - 02/07/07 11:10 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
A piece of window screen attached to a plastic or wood frame.
I assume you have a walk-in autoclave or fifty PC's? You can't soak more than you can sterilize or it ferments and ruins.
RR
but may I soak, drain, fill jars and then Pc in two or three runs (2 hours each)?
will the seeds just ferment in that short time?
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6540011 - 02/07/07 11:27 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can do 25 kilos in two or three runs? You must have a PC the size of a refrigerator.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6540024 - 02/07/07 11:32 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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i wouldnt worry about it and just add enough verm to each jar so that there is no standing water. that way there is even added moisture which the myc likes
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6540106 - 02/07/07 12:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
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You can do 25 kilos in two or three runs? You must have a PC the size of a refrigerator.
RR
That would be my dream 
But is ok (wherever kilos I do)to have them waiting in their jars untill their turn to Pc, or is to wait that time (at most 5 hours to the last run) to much and their will ferment?
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#6540115 - 02/07/07 12:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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i wouldnt worry about it and just add enough verm to each jar so that there is no standing water. that way there is even added moisture which the myc likes
But added verm is equal to less nuts...
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6540134 - 02/07/07 12:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never add verm to a grain jar to cover for sloppy preparation. Grains are spawn, verm is not. If one can figure out how much vermiculite to add to cover for too much moisture, then it should be a simple step to substract that amount of moisture.
Grains can sit for 5 hours in the jars before sterilization without problems.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6540510 - 02/07/07 01:54 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
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i wouldnt worry about it and just add enough verm to each jar so that there is no standing water. that way there is even added moisture which the myc likes
But added verm is equal to less nuts...
how do you figure that? The quantities of verm we are talking about is less than a 1/8 cup per quart jar which has absolutely no effect on how many total nutrients are in the jar. Its just to make sure there is no standing water and gives the added benefit of not having to wait and worry about drying it AND having overall more moisture in the quart jar. Im just telling you what has worked perfect for me every time.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6540519 - 02/07/07 01:55 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its not hard to eye the amount. Just add a tid bit then shake up, if there is still standing water add a tid bit more until there is no standing water. We arent talking about rocket science here.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#6540532 - 02/07/07 01:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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vintage_gonzo said:
Its not hard to eye the amount. Just add a tid bit then shake up, if there is still standing water add a tid bit more until there is no standing water. We arent talking about rocket science here.
I think it also should work
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: FGL]
#6541822 - 02/07/07 07:23 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Except that any verm in the jar is occupying real estate that properly hydrated grains can occupy to the greater good. I have no doubt you can have good results with verm in the grain jar, I'm just asserting that you can have even better results without it, after taking a bit of time to get the moisture content right. Once you do, the routine becomes easy to repeat every time.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6542307 - 02/07/07 09:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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again the amount of verm is so miniscule that the amount of room the verm takes up is nill. its not like the jars are being filled to the tippy-top anyways because they need to be shaken..sooo if theres room to be shaken than there is room for some verm. this process is BETTER than letting the grain dry because there is overall MORE water moisture in the jar which the mycellium needs and loves. if you do it this way you are sure to have success without "wet spots" and other problems associated with the other way.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#6546930 - 02/09/07 07:56 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used agars suggestion and used the dryeir and my seeds felt almost dry doesnt that ruin the whole process or is the moisture still in the inside of the seed??
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: jccc]
#6547281 - 02/09/07 11:29 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Remember, you are NOT drying cloths.
A few minutes, on air dry, or very low heat.
Is all it takes.
Mash a few. It they are moist inside. They are fine.
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Re: How would you drain big quantities of WBS after soaking? [Re: agar]
#6548309 - 02/09/07 05:53 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moisture content is almost always the place new growers screw up with grain, and 99% of the time it's from being too wet. We almost never see a post where the grains are too dry unless the grower forgot to use a lid.
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