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Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy?
    #6547220 - 02/09/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Please do tell us if you do, and if so why you do.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra censory perception) or Telepathy [Re: Rahie]
    #6547229 - 02/09/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra censory perception) or Telepathy [Re: Rahie]
    #6547230 - 02/09/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes,
i know theres something in it but you can only know i t when you experi ence it yourself.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra censory perception) or Telepathy [Re: Ego Death]
    #6547253 - 02/09/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

yes, i think telepathy work better on lsd and mushrooms.
its not so much as reading the mind but reading the mood.

yells at mom! i want esp NOT a psp!


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Wow man.... [Re: Rahie]
    #6547268 - 02/09/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Every time we disagree you start a thread..... geez... I'm not trying to piss you off man. And I think we MAY be able to get SOME things we don't know via weird channels. (via ESP)  But I just don't think there is allot of scientific evidence.

You may have a "144 point IQ" :hehehe: but that post by OMR has me laughing a bit.
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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547275 - 02/09/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Every time we disagree you start a thread..... geez... I'm not trying to piss you off man. And I think we MAY be able to get SOME things we don't know via weird channels. (via ESP)  But I just don't think there is allot of scientific evidence.

You may have a "144 point IQ" :hehehe: but that post by OMR has me laughing a bit.
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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547283 - 02/09/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Every time we disagree you start a thread..... geez... I'm not trying to piss you off man. And I think we MAY be able to get SOME things we don't know via weird channels. (via ESP)  But I just don't think there is allot of scientific evidence.

You may have a "144 point IQ" :hehehe: but that post by OMR has me laughing a bit.
:lol:




i was reading this book called the holographic universe and theirs all kinda of documented scientific evidence and continuing research on such subjects.

edit, also i think i read its mandatory that CIA and FBI agents know about remote viewing, thats esp shit.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547293 - 02/09/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

If there were any such things as ESP and telepathy, all the top poker players would have them. But they don't.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547294 - 02/09/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm reading the same book. It's by Michael Talbot... pretty crazy shit. I'm having a hard time following it though - it reads like a textbook and I'm used to stories with underlying meanings.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: supercollider]
    #6547303 - 02/09/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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If there were any such things as ESP and telepathy, all the top poker players would have them. But they don't.



I think Daniel Negreanu has esp. He always says what the people have in the pocket. He amazes me, even when he does it pre flop. The other day on high stakes poker he knew Jamie Gold had A 3.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Blend]
    #6547304 - 02/09/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm reading the same book. It's by Michael Talbot... pretty crazy shit. I'm having a hard time following it though - it reads like a textbook and I'm used to stories with underlying meanings.



the only think i dont understand is most he quantum shit and when they go into explaning the inplacet and explacet order. what the fuck is that ??? accually their are alott of storys in that book about documented cases. the begaining of the book is all the complex explaning and the rest is documented cases.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547308 - 02/09/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Actually thats an old book. :wink:

Look I like Micheal Talbot, I really do, you should read Mysticism and the New Physics. Personally I like all of his books. But when you get a little farther into quantum physics, you will realize there is still so much we don't know.

Talbot talks about lots of possibilities and he is a blast to read, but there just isn't allot of HARD evidence for ESP. I think its cool, I wish there was, I read about ESP for years when I was younger.

Talbot does open the mind, and awaken the curiosity of Science. At least he sure did for me when I was younger.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547316 - 02/09/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Some people have it, some people don't. Some people are stronger at it than others and thats a given.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: supercollider]
    #6547317 - 02/09/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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If there were any such things as ESP and telepathy, all the top poker players would have them. But they don't.



its a chaotic world i admit but yes theirs is order. would you think would you think the leaders of the world would be so naive to let such things go untamed. thats why theirs so much money tied up in ultra low frequency's.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547326 - 02/09/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Psilocybeingzz, their is a subject called manifestation, where people can manifest things out of the air. theirs people that read letters in closed envolopes all day in government labs in alien bases studying shit like human arura


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547328 - 02/09/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, i havent really read much into it. as i said, i'm having trouble with it. and i've started on another book.
but yeah, there really isn't proof. it's a great idea though. i try not to believe in anything, i just believe in the possibility of everything. and it seems plausible enough.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Rahie]
    #6547332 - 02/09/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No one has ESP because it doesn't exist.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Blend]
    #6547336 - 02/09/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

theirs so much proof you will never know enuff


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547341 - 02/09/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

ok well i have had dreams that come into reality so i count that as esp.
my dreams create my reality. and can be tuned to mold it as one choose's


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547345 - 02/09/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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If there were any such things as ESP and telepathy, all the top poker players would have them. But they don't.



its a chaotic world i admit but yes theirs is order. would you think would you think the leaders of the world would be so naive to let such things go untamed. thats why theirs so much money tied up in ultra low frequency's.




The KGB tried, but as far as the public knows, there just isn't allot of evidence for this kinda thing. I do remember the CIA used a guy to figure out where US hostages were being held more then once... but other then that one example, I don't see allot of evidence. Just curious connections and possibilities.  And as for frequencies, well other then the HAARP project I personally cant comment on that myself. But this thread is heading for tinfoil hat town if we are not careful :tinfoil:

Lets not go to far off topic, thats all I'm saying...


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547349 - 02/09/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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ok well i have had dreams that come into reality so i count that as esp



That's called precognitive dream, which is a form of ESP.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547355 - 02/09/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I don't believe in it.

Science doesn't believe in it.

What else is there to say?


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547358 - 02/09/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

(this is what i was basicly geting at)
as far as the public knows, there just isn't allot of evidence for this kinda thing.
consider your self john q. public


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: VoidOfsPg]
    #6547364 - 02/09/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't believe in it.

Science doesn't believe in it.

What else is there to say?



It's not that they don't believe in it, it's that they can't explain it.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547365 - 02/09/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Show us some evidence then, smartypants.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547370 - 02/09/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

When theres nothing there to explain, it becomes had to analyze it.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547373 - 02/09/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't believe in it.

Science doesn't believe in it.

What else is there to say?



It's not that they don't believe in it, it's that they can't explain it.




It's not that they can't explain it. It's that they can't prove it.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547379 - 02/09/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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(this is what i was basicly geting at)
as far as the public knows, there just isn't allot of evidence for this kinda thing.
consider your self john q. public




Really, it doesn't seem like thats what you were trying to say, it seemed like you were trying to PROVE it existed via scientific materials. Which you did not.

I know HAARP exists for example, but that doesn't prove your argument at all. So HAARP exists, there are weird things all over. That doesn't prove ESP is real.

I am not a genius, no sir, but I think I am smarter then the average John Q. Public BTW. :smirk:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: VoidOfsPg]
    #6547383 - 02/09/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Sony labs for example performed a series of experiments to evaluate the possible utility of such phenomena for possible commercial ventures. After the investigations, Sony spokesman Masanobu Sakaguchi reported: "We found out experimentally that yes, ESP exists, but that any practical application of this knowledge is not likely in the foreseeable future."
Extra-sensory perception (ESP), is defined in parapsychology as the paranormal ability to acquire information by means such as telepathy, clairvoyance and precognition. ESP is not dependent on the five main senses, nor on deduction from previous experience.[1][2] The term implies sources of information currently unexplained by science. Extra-sensory perception is also sometimes referred to as a sixth sense (as in coming after the five senses). The active agent through which the mind is able to receive ESP impressions has been named psi.
Types of ESP

Specific types of extra-sensory perception include:

* Paranormal perception of people, places or events by means of Clairvoyance (remote viewing).
* Perception of other times via precognition, or retrocognition. This is usually considered to be the same as clairvoyance, except that the perception travels through time.
* Perception of aspects of others which most people cannot perceive, such as aura reading, medical intuition, clairsentience and telepathy etc.
* Perception of aspects of things which most people cannot perceive, by means of psychometry, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, clairalience and clairgustance.
* The ability to sense communications from and/or communicate with people in remote locations (telepathy).
* The ability to perceive environments or communications while psychically "at" a remote location by means of Out-of-body experiences (also called spirit walking and astral projection), or while in other dimensions.
* The ability to communicate with the souls (spirits) of persons or animals who have died via mediumship (séancing). Mediumship is an umbrella term which primarily means that a person is able to communicate with deceased persons, or allow deceased persons to communicate through the medium by temporarily using his or her body (trance mediumship). But mediumship may also include other paranormal abilities such as clairvoyance and clairaudience, the ability to have out-of-body experiences, and psychokinesis (physical mediumship).


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Rahie]
    #6547387 - 02/09/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Some people have it, some people don't. Some people are stronger at it than others and thats a given.




Look it was a big interest of mine when I was very young. And I have read about it allot. And the fact is, that there is no real HARD evidence that can be proven from lab to lab.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547399 - 02/09/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Don't forget to read my last 2 posts I have to make some food and watch some shit :bongload:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6547413 - 02/09/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I think at some point in the future, technology will have advanced to the point that ESP and telepathy will be part of our everyday lives. Probably not in our lifetime, and that's assuming we'll be around much longer.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Rahie]
    #6547422 - 02/09/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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ok well i have had dreams that come into reality so i count that as esp



That's called precognitive dream, which is a form of ESP.



see the thing with it is it happend to me so i beleave it.
ok i dont wanna talk about beleafs cause people fight more about their beleafs then they do for their country.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547426 - 02/09/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Next time click the button to the right of "Continue" before posting. It'll make you seem less ignorant. :heart:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: VoidOfsPg]
    #6547428 - 02/09/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547429 - 02/09/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

esp exist right now in tv and phones these freqancys are tuned into our subcounsious minds.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547432 - 02/09/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You must have had a bad experience with The Poltergeist when you were young.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547434 - 02/09/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes but even thats a based on *beliefs*!! and.... what you fail to realize i......







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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547439 - 02/09/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Psilocybeingzz well thats what i mean to say

If there were any such things as ESP and telepathy, all the top poker players would have them. But they don't.

as far as the public knows, there just isn't allot of evidence for this kinda thing.

and thats all.
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Re: Wow man.... [Re: VoidOfsPg]
    #6547448 - 02/09/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Next time click the button to the right of "Continue" before posting. It'll make you seem less ignorant. :heart:




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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547460 - 02/09/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Sony labs for example performed a series of experiments to evaluate the possible utility of such phenomena for possible commercial ventures. After the investigations, Sony spokesman Masanobu Sakaguchi reported: "We found out experimentally that yes, ESP exists, but that any practical application of this knowledge is not likely in the foreseeable future."
Extra-sensory perception (ESP), is defined in parapsychology as the paranormal ability to acquire information by means such as telepathy, clairvoyance and precognition. ESP is not dependent on the five main senses, nor on deduction from previous experience.[1][2] The term implies sources of information currently unexplained by science. Extra-sensory perception is also sometimes referred to as a sixth sense (as in coming after the five senses). The active agent through which the mind is able to receive ESP impressions has been named psi.
Types of ESP

Specific types of extra-sensory perception include:

* Paranormal perception of people, places or events by means of Clairvoyance (remote viewing).
* Perception of other times via precognition, or retrocognition. This is usually considered to be the same as clairvoyance, except that the perception travels through time.
* Perception of aspects of others which most people cannot perceive, such as aura reading, medical intuition, clairsentience and telepathy etc.
* Perception of aspects of things which most people cannot perceive, by means of psychometry, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, clairalience and clairgustance.
* The ability to sense communications from and/or communicate with people in remote locations (telepathy).
* The ability to perceive environments or communications while psychically "at" a remote location by means of Out-of-body experiences (also called spirit walking and astral projection), or while in other dimensions.
* The ability to communicate with the souls (spirits) of persons or animals who have died via mediumship (séancing). Mediumship is an umbrella term which primarily means that a person is able to communicate with deceased persons, or allow deceased persons to communicate through the medium by temporarily using his or her body (trance mediumship). But mediumship may also include other paranormal abilities such as clairvoyance and clairaudience, the ability to have out-of-body experiences, and psychokinesis (physical mediumship).




Do you have the details on this study? I would be interested to see if it was scientifically sound in the way it was conducted.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6547462 - 02/09/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

See the thing with scientific studys is many will disagree in which ways are done, due to being very anal.


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    #6547463 - 02/09/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It doesn't bother me, it just makes me think you're an ignoramus.


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    #6547486 - 02/09/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It does exist. Most people are sheep though, their minds molded from a young age. Our government has known about ESP and has been experimenting with it in many branches since at least the 50s. Although, mostly for malevolent purposes.

To say it doesn't exist because science hasn't proven it is absolute garbage, as "Science" as we know it, is in no way complete and perfect. Not to mention the fact that we still know very little about the workings of the mind, except how to suppress it. So to say 'ESP does not exist because everyone doesn't use it and science hasn't proven it' is pretty shortsighted and foolish.

psychic abilities exist within every human. Like most everything, they must be practiced and cultivated, or they go dormant. It is not "instinctual" on this level existence. Your environment and how you use your mind has the most to do with it. Thus some people are more prone to having varying levels of ESP.

TV is mostly aimed towards programming people and making people desensitized to subtle modes of thought like telepathy. In this regard, it is like the anti-ESP. Blast you with sensory information overload and try to confuse you.

Telepathy, Clairvoyance, Telekinesis, etc.. all exist. I believe so because I have experienced most of them first hand. However in our current society such things are discouraged and repressed as much as possible.

We are not evolved enough as a species at this time to fully appreciate and utilize such gifts.
Suffice to say that the mind is a VERY powerful tool, and we have A LOT to learn.
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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547491 - 02/09/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Dude before I get high... I think, damn,... I'm gonna have a cheeseburger, then,... after I get high, I totally munch out on the SAME cheeseburger i saw,

......BEFORE I got high!!!
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    #6547525 - 02/09/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No.

There is no objective evidence that exists.

Also, consider how easy this would be to prove: Have one person transmit a 4 digit number to another. Perhaps a simple shape, word, etc.

There is no conspiracy suppressing information. It would (literally) have to be a worldwide conspiracy to do so.

I would like to see evidence for ESP existing. If it were put forth and reproduced, I would become a believer. I would also believe a host of other things if I observed them: god, dragons, magic, goblins, and leprechauns.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547530 - 02/09/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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See the thing with scientific studys is many will disagree in which ways are done, due to being very anal.




Actually, most people who have a grasp of the scientific method will agree whether a study is sound or not.

Do you have the details on this study? I would really like to see them.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6547537 - 02/09/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I do not have the details on this study, sorry.


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    #6547545 - 02/09/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, I'll find them.


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    #6547550 - 02/09/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It will be difficult to find because I doubt it made it through peer-review and was published by an actual journal.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547920 - 02/09/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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See the thing with scientific studys is many will disagree in which ways are done, due to being very anal.



Dude with your "144 point IQ" you shouldn't be saying studys* in place of studies.
People might start to doubt you, and think you're only at 140, or 139 even :smirk:

As for being anal, Redstorm already covered that, but if you looked only at studies that you like, while ignoring the rest of science, you may not be anal, but I assure you, that you would be ignorant.



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    #6548252 - 02/09/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well ha you couldn't say nothing in return of Shroomism
I am bad with words brah, specially when I am baked out. How many times do I have to tell you that.


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    #6549908 - 02/10/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So to say 'ESP does not exist because everyone doesn't use it and science hasn't proven it' is pretty shortsighted and foolish.


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    #6549910 - 02/10/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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    #6550101 - 02/10/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I used to think it was bunch of bullshit until I started doing acid.


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    #6550107 - 02/10/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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No one has ESP because it doesn't exist.




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    #6550115 - 02/10/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Well ha you couldn't say nothing in return of Shroomism
I am bad with words brah, specially when I am baked out. How many times do I have to tell you that.




He makes a much better case then you did, but he still doesn't PROVE anything, other then the fact he has a different opinion then I do. Which is fine.

With your "144 IQ" pot shouldn't cause any problems. :wink:


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    #6550144 - 02/10/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I saw a study and wish I could find the link...You guys would have enjoyed it.

But the had two people in different rooms. Both were completely sound proof and completely seperate from any electronic waves or anything else that might get it.

In one room the had a person watching a movie clip. Their sole perpose was to watch this clip and mentally visualize the their thoughts being transmitted into the other room.

The person in the other room was to try to imagine recieve the information visually from the air and to write down what she thought the person was sending to her. These people did not know each other or anything about what the information they my see or pick up on.

In 25% of all the people the tested they found that the person recieving the information interpreted it 100% correct. But there was another catch to the study.

Out of all the people they did this to, they also included classically trained mucisians in the picture. They found that over 75% of all classically trained mucisians could pick up on this phenomanon. So music does more for ya than entertain. And I am a mucisian and can personally verify that ESP is VERY real. It happens all the time to me.

And say it flat out doesn't exist because certain scientists can't see it or calculate a formula for is crazy. Science thinks the only things that exist are the things they have discovered. 500 years ago scientist also "knew" the world was flat...It can also be related to the atomic world. We can go our whole lives without ever seeing an atomic structure. But we know it exists but we do so without ever seeing. The same thing can be said about the cellular level and micro organisms. Before scientists had the tools and capabilites of seeing these things they "didn't" exists. Apply these scientific breakthroughs from the past and you could easily say the same thing about ESP, aliens, and god... What we can't prove or can't see DOESN'T mean it doesn't exist. Just that what we know for sure now doesn't include these things. But science has a very closed mind. The don't like to imagine a world where there are any secrets left.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550154 - 02/10/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i try to cultivate my telepathic prowess quite often.

just the other nite i was dragged to this booty ass club in the burbs with some co-workers.

on the dance floor, there was this girl in a frilly bra and checkered butt shorts.

with my mind i reached out to her and sent her the following thought:

U IN THE CHECKERED SHORTS....

YER....

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    #6550157 - 02/10/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Before Jesus, some Philosophers were sure(in their own minds) that atoms existed. Just had to toss that in.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550173 - 02/10/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Before Jesus, some Philosophers were sure(in their own minds) that atoms existed. Just had to toss that in.




Exactly... But they had no way to prove it.

Also many many years before Jesus they thought everything was made from earth, water, and fire....That was common knowledge of the time. But we have obviously learned since then that this wasn't true. I can't remember which one but one of the most famous philosophers of the time tried to prove this wrong and was laughed out.

What we "know" now could possibly only be an illusion of something far deeper than what can be percieved now.


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    #6550176 - 02/10/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The atoms in modern physics were named after the "atoms" of the Greek philosophers, but they aren't really the same thing. The Greeks defined atoms as the smallest possible element of matter, but now we know there are protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, etc. that make up the atom.


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    #6550197 - 02/10/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Science thinks the only things that exist are the things they have discovered.




Bullshit.

If this is true then why do they continue to do new studies to explain new phenomena?


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    #6550201 - 02/10/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

True. But they were on to something, Mr. technical. :tongue:
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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6550324 - 02/10/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Science thinks the only things that exist are the things they have discovered.




Bullshit.

If this is true then why do they continue to do new studies to explain new phenomena?




I was generalizing. Evidentally I shouldn't do it.

In what was more or less a refrence to any science in the past that was known as common knowledge and has been disproven after many many people got slammed for their finding... But an example of a current situation.

Example the medical industry. Look at the cancer industry in America. Chemo therapy is being pushed by many many doctors as the "only" way to fight cancer. It also happens to be that the cancer industry is 80% profit AND the largest profiting industry in medical history. There have been many many many people that have figured out breakthroughs in science that are non drug/non surgery/non expensive procedure that have a far greater success rate without the negative side effects. One of these examples is a multi-wave obscillator. Ever heard of this... Probably not. This device could ruin the mutli-billion dollar cancer industry. I don't want to change the subject to this controversial medical debate... But my point is.... Sometimes what come out as science isn't science at all. It's to protect the interest of whoever is fundning the research. Remember in the 50's how Big Tobacco had the bests scientists "proving" that their cigarettes didn't call cancer. Now EVERYONE knows they do cas cancer.

To say that all science is like this would be a lie. But it would also be a lie to say that there isn't a lot of bad science out there being passed along as fact. Hell take a look at the people trying to prove global warming doesn't exist. Once again, I don't want to debate global warming BUT I bet a lot of people saying it doesn't exist have major financial ties to the oil industry.


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    #6550349 - 02/10/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Chemo therapy is being pushed by many many doctors as the "only" way to fight cancer. It also happens to be that the cancer industry is 80% profit AND the largest profiting industry in medical history. There have been many many many people that have figured out breakthroughs in science that are non drug/non surgery/non expensive procedure that have a far greater success rate without the negative side effects. One of these examples is a multi-wave obscillator.




Can you back these claims up?? Not saying that you are lying, but those are BOLD claims. Got anything for me to read on the subject?? Or a peer reviewed paper?


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    #6550446 - 02/10/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I will give you some names do some research on.

The multi-wave oscillator was first invented by Georges Lakhovsky, a russian scientist, published in a french book in the late 1920's call The Secret Life. It is now it all major languages. It got no attention because it was released in WWII. With theory was that all living cells, plants, people, bacteria, everything... possess attributes which normally are associated with electronic or electric circuits. There are three types of electrical attributes. these are restitance, capacitance, and inductance. Configured properly will cause the recurrent generation of a sine wave exhibiting an effect of physics knows as resonance. Resonance can be described as a frequency, an oscillation, and eletromagnetic imprint, or energy. He also discovered that these oscillations occur at very high frequencies. He also concluded that cells not only produce energy but can recieve it. In addition that each cell has a frequency that can make the cell stronger or kill it. He also concluded that cancerous cell or any other type of non-healthy-human cells all have difference frequencies for which they are killed. So his theory concluded that sending engergy at the right frequency would kill the cancer cells without damaging any other cells.

His orginal study was done with plants, geraniums. He inoculated these plants with a "tumor-poducing plant cancer". I don't know the name of but it doesnt matter. After 30 days all plants inoculated has tumors growing from them. He used his process of oscillations on half of his plants. In all cases of the plants the tumors fell off and the tree grew out to be perfectly healthy. Where as the control trees that didnt have oscillations died. But this has later been proved to work the same with people and animals.

BTW all these things discovered 80 some years collate with Samuel Hahnemann, the founder of homeopathy, and Dr. Royal Rife. This is all very true and wouldn't say it I didn't know it was. But this one guy didn't discover it. Over the course of time other scientists discovered the very same thing but in entirely different circumstances. It is very true and very real. But AMA certified MDs have not been trained in this area...So any american doctor that doesn't know about will be quick to say it won't work and that chemo (because thats how they make a living...support their family) is the option the should go with. Capitalism doesn't always serve the best interests of the people.

There are many many many more discoveries like this that have been hidden from the general public, and I only speak for America, because of FTC and FDA censorship. If you notice that every single tv station (and I speak for america) is controlled by a board of directors and have shareholders. Also the biggest advertisers in the media are junk food and drug companies... Isn't a little too convenient that we have a Food and Drug administration.... Why do the need to be together... It makes no sense.


But a new york times best seller would be Natural Cure: The things the don't want you to know about. written kevin trudeau. Now I am relectant to say this book because there has been so much controversy and credibility of him. But in his second book More Natural Cures Revealed he goes in great depth to all the media claims. And it all boils down to his book will reduce the profits of junk food and drugs, which the FDA controls both. But within this book he gives hundres of referenences to other books to back up all of his claims. I have done a lot of research and reading and found him to be 100% truthfull. I am dealing all the time with the medical indsutry and he called out everything that would happen in his book.

Example... I have seen about 10 specialists for various things neurological damage/inner ear/and other serious things. Everyone single one of them told "this is how it and there is no other way". When is the last time you heard a doctor say...based on my experience and limited knowledge and training I believe you have this....But I could be wrong." NEVER EVER...NOT ONCE have I heard a doctor say anything close to that. But yet every doctors office is called a practice...Tha's all they do is practice...They don't help people get better...Once again...I am generalizing. All doctors aren't like this. But I can say that in my experience with dealing with them and talking to A LOT of people...

90% of doctors are 100% full of shit.

If you want more proof I got the books to back it all up.


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    #6550460 - 02/10/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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kevin trudeau




I will consider some of the things you have said, but that guy is the biggest scam artist of all time. I saw a documentary on him, he is a scum bag liar through and through. And some of his "natural cures" are downright dangerous.


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    #6550476 - 02/10/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly why I was reluctant to say his name...What is so dangerous? He didn't come up with any of this. He strictly sites other sources. He clearly says don't listen to him...go to a licensed health care person that specializes in non drug/non surgeory.


But I didn't get most of what I said from him. I got it from other sources. I don't like the way the guy writes or how he goes about to get people to believe his argument. I don't trust the things he has said.... So after reading his books I did and I am still doing thorough research and found everything he said to be true.

I don't like his books and I think he bitches about the FDA way too much... I haven't found in one case where he has not spoke the truth.


EDIT: Who paid for the documentary. It's kinda like listening to the government when they say weed should be illegal. Was the documentary the truth? We don't know. But I would assume not. I would like to see that documentary BTW...Did you see it on TV or the net.


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    #6550519 - 02/10/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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    #6550542 - 02/10/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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EDIT: Who paid for the documentary. It's kinda like listening to the government when they say weed should be illegal. Was the documentary the truth? We don't know. But I would assume not. I would like to see that documentary BTW...Did you see it on TV or the net.





The CBC. Here in Canada, and around the world, they are highly respected for their journalistic excellence. Unless of course you are a huge fan of FoxNews :smirk: Which I assume you are not.

For shits and giggles... Watch  Sticks and Stones. Its got some great shit about Bill O Retard, and Ann Coulter. She actually tries to argue that Canada went to Vietnam! hahahahahah :lol:  I guess she didn't realize thats where most of the draft dodgers ran :lol: (dumb whore):lol:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550568 - 02/10/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I am definatly not a fan of Fox News... :lol:


I am really not trying to debate anyone by what I have said. I was just really defendin my statement about how science is't always science.

Nor am I defending Kevin Trudeau. I like to see all angles and make my own judgements. However it is my own judgement that the people running the medical field is nothing more than capalistis pigs. Companies that claim to be in the interests of people SHOULD not be publicly traded comapanies....They don't mix. They try to help people that are sick but at the same time they are trying to make their selves and stockholder's money. That in itself is enough to persuade me that most of modern western medicine is bullshit...


But this all is completely irrelevant to ESP....which I think is very real cool shit.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550583 - 02/10/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Ya we did sort of knock this train off the tracks didn't we :wink: :lol:
Oh well. Interesting stuff.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550890 - 02/10/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

no, cause thats how i roll


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: dickpayne00]
    #6550952 - 02/10/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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no, cause thats how i roll



Be a little more specific?? (huh?)


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550985 - 02/10/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6551003 - 02/10/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Princeton ESP lab closes its doors




Nice article man :thumbup:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6551011 - 02/10/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

yes sir...thanks for the link.

taking what I said to a factual level


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #25532025 - 10/12/18 11:15 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Because I've witnessed it. Although to be fair, I'm from a military city where an awful lot of spooky ESP and genetic experiments have been going on for decades. One of the first cities to have a giant NSA facility and a city where around 32 nazi scientists were brought over to continue their fucked up research during operation paperclip. This city was also mentioned by Max Spiers and James Casbolt to be a hotspot of genetic experimentation and the super soldier program. We have over 500 cave systems here and only part of it is accessible to the public. The Army Corps of Engineers has been exploring and altering them for decades now. Bases and sensors all under the city.

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/greg-mallozzi%E2%80%99s-new-film-about-andrija-puharich-370.4069/

Around 75% of law enforcement here is ex military, so they often turn a blind eye to people using psychedelics like weed and mushrooms. I know several people who have protective detail given by DoD because of their abilities. The police are given a strange "Do not detain" order for certain people. All of these people(that I know) have used mushrooms and various other drugs.

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Greg Mallozzi: We have footage of this, I mean, he was there, with a rather small team, I think a guy with a video camera and maybe two other people, a translator, and you know, it’s just incredible, just to think about in the early 50s, here is this guy, romping through the jungle finding these mushrooms. What he did was, he would bring them back to his laboratory in Maine, the Round Table Foundation and he would do all sorts of ESP experiments. So, he would test somebody when they were not on mushrooms, and then he would test somebody when they were dosed on mushrooms, and like you said, his theory was that, when you’re on these things it enhances your ability, it enhances your extrasensory perception ability.




Of course it enhances it, that's why it was used by hunter-gatherer peoples during hunting and foraging. Your sense that danger is near, your ability to locate things you need, all parts of the brain are extra active after ingesting the mushrooms.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25532153 - 10/12/18 12:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Necroplis strikes again!

:wizard::zombie5::zombie::zombie3::zombie2::zombie5:


12 year old thread, make a new one about ESP if you wanna get the conversation rolling.


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