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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547460 - 02/09/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Sony labs for example performed a series of experiments to evaluate the possible utility of such phenomena for possible commercial ventures. After the investigations, Sony spokesman Masanobu Sakaguchi reported: "We found out experimentally that yes, ESP exists, but that any practical application of this knowledge is not likely in the foreseeable future."
Extra-sensory perception (ESP), is defined in parapsychology as the paranormal ability to acquire information by means such as telepathy, clairvoyance and precognition. ESP is not dependent on the five main senses, nor on deduction from previous experience.[1][2] The term implies sources of information currently unexplained by science. Extra-sensory perception is also sometimes referred to as a sixth sense (as in coming after the five senses). The active agent through which the mind is able to receive ESP impressions has been named psi.
Types of ESP

Specific types of extra-sensory perception include:

* Paranormal perception of people, places or events by means of Clairvoyance (remote viewing).
* Perception of other times via precognition, or retrocognition. This is usually considered to be the same as clairvoyance, except that the perception travels through time.
* Perception of aspects of others which most people cannot perceive, such as aura reading, medical intuition, clairsentience and telepathy etc.
* Perception of aspects of things which most people cannot perceive, by means of psychometry, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, clairalience and clairgustance.
* The ability to sense communications from and/or communicate with people in remote locations (telepathy).
* The ability to perceive environments or communications while psychically "at" a remote location by means of Out-of-body experiences (also called spirit walking and astral projection), or while in other dimensions.
* The ability to communicate with the souls (spirits) of persons or animals who have died via mediumship (séancing). Mediumship is an umbrella term which primarily means that a person is able to communicate with deceased persons, or allow deceased persons to communicate through the medium by temporarily using his or her body (trance mediumship). But mediumship may also include other paranormal abilities such as clairvoyance and clairaudience, the ability to have out-of-body experiences, and psychokinesis (physical mediumship).




Do you have the details on this study? I would be interested to see if it was scientifically sound in the way it was conducted.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6547462 - 02/09/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

See the thing with scientific studys is many will disagree in which ways are done, due to being very anal.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547463 - 02/09/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It doesn't bother me, it just makes me think you're an ignoramus.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6547486 - 02/09/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It does exist. Most people are sheep though, their minds molded from a young age. Our government has known about ESP and has been experimenting with it in many branches since at least the 50s. Although, mostly for malevolent purposes.

To say it doesn't exist because science hasn't proven it is absolute garbage, as "Science" as we know it, is in no way complete and perfect. Not to mention the fact that we still know very little about the workings of the mind, except how to suppress it. So to say 'ESP does not exist because everyone doesn't use it and science hasn't proven it' is pretty shortsighted and foolish.

psychic abilities exist within every human. Like most everything, they must be practiced and cultivated, or they go dormant. It is not "instinctual" on this level existence. Your environment and how you use your mind has the most to do with it. Thus some people are more prone to having varying levels of ESP.

TV is mostly aimed towards programming people and making people desensitized to subtle modes of thought like telepathy. In this regard, it is like the anti-ESP. Blast you with sensory information overload and try to confuse you.

Telepathy, Clairvoyance, Telekinesis, etc.. all exist. I believe so because I have experienced most of them first hand. However in our current society such things are discouraged and repressed as much as possible.

We are not evolved enough as a species at this time to fully appreciate and utilize such gifts.
Suffice to say that the mind is a VERY powerful tool, and we have A LOT to learn.
Science is notoriously ignorant when it comes to the workings of the spirit.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547491 - 02/09/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Dude before I get high... I think, damn,... I'm gonna have a cheeseburger, then,... after I get high, I totally munch out on the SAME cheeseburger i saw,

......BEFORE I got high!!!
its spooky~~~


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Under_the_Stars]
    #6547525 - 02/09/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No.

There is no objective evidence that exists.

Also, consider how easy this would be to prove: Have one person transmit a 4 digit number to another. Perhaps a simple shape, word, etc.

There is no conspiracy suppressing information. It would (literally) have to be a worldwide conspiracy to do so.

I would like to see evidence for ESP existing. If it were put forth and reproduced, I would become a believer. I would also believe a host of other things if I observed them: god, dragons, magic, goblins, and leprechauns.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547530 - 02/09/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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See the thing with scientific studys is many will disagree in which ways are done, due to being very anal.




Actually, most people who have a grasp of the scientific method will agree whether a study is sound or not.

Do you have the details on this study? I would really like to see them.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6547537 - 02/09/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I do not have the details on this study, sorry.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547545 - 02/09/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, I'll find them.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6547550 - 02/09/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It will be difficult to find because I doubt it made it through peer-review and was published by an actual journal.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6547920 - 02/09/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Rahie said:
See the thing with scientific studys is many will disagree in which ways are done, due to being very anal.



Dude with your "144 point IQ" you shouldn't be saying studys* in place of studies.
People might start to doubt you, and think you're only at 140, or 139 even :smirk:

As for being anal, Redstorm already covered that, but if you looked only at studies that you like, while ignoring the rest of science, you may not be anal, but I assure you, that you would be ignorant.



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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6548252 - 02/09/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well ha you couldn't say nothing in return of Shroomism
I am bad with words brah, specially when I am baked out. How many times do I have to tell you that.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6549908 - 02/10/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So to say 'ESP does not exist because everyone doesn't use it and science hasn't proven it' is pretty shortsighted and foolish.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Ego Death]
    #6549910 - 02/10/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

:yawn:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6550101 - 02/10/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I used to think it was bunch of bullshit until I started doing acid.


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Re: Wow man.... [Re: Redstorm]
    #6550107 - 02/10/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
No one has ESP because it doesn't exist.




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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6550115 - 02/10/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Rahie said:
Well ha you couldn't say nothing in return of Shroomism
I am bad with words brah, specially when I am baked out. How many times do I have to tell you that.




He makes a much better case then you did, but he still doesn't PROVE anything, other then the fact he has a different opinion then I do. Which is fine.

With your "144 IQ" pot shouldn't cause any problems. :wink:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550144 - 02/10/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I saw a study and wish I could find the link...You guys would have enjoyed it.

But the had two people in different rooms. Both were completely sound proof and completely seperate from any electronic waves or anything else that might get it.

In one room the had a person watching a movie clip. Their sole perpose was to watch this clip and mentally visualize the their thoughts being transmitted into the other room.

The person in the other room was to try to imagine recieve the information visually from the air and to write down what she thought the person was sending to her. These people did not know each other or anything about what the information they my see or pick up on.

In 25% of all the people the tested they found that the person recieving the information interpreted it 100% correct. But there was another catch to the study.

Out of all the people they did this to, they also included classically trained mucisians in the picture. They found that over 75% of all classically trained mucisians could pick up on this phenomanon. So music does more for ya than entertain. And I am a mucisian and can personally verify that ESP is VERY real. It happens all the time to me.

And say it flat out doesn't exist because certain scientists can't see it or calculate a formula for is crazy. Science thinks the only things that exist are the things they have discovered. 500 years ago scientist also "knew" the world was flat...It can also be related to the atomic world. We can go our whole lives without ever seeing an atomic structure. But we know it exists but we do so without ever seeing. The same thing can be said about the cellular level and micro organisms. Before scientists had the tools and capabilites of seeing these things they "didn't" exists. Apply these scientific breakthroughs from the past and you could easily say the same thing about ESP, aliens, and god... What we can't prove or can't see DOESN'T mean it doesn't exist. Just that what we know for sure now doesn't include these things. But science has a very closed mind. The don't like to imagine a world where there are any secrets left.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550154 - 02/10/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i try to cultivate my telepathic prowess quite often.

just the other nite i was dragged to this booty ass club in the burbs with some co-workers.

on the dance floor, there was this girl in a frilly bra and checkered butt shorts.

with my mind i reached out to her and sent her the following thought:

U IN THE CHECKERED SHORTS....

YER....

SO..........

NASTY............


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550157 - 02/10/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Before Jesus, some Philosophers were sure(in their own minds) that atoms existed. Just had to toss that in.


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