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Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit?
#6546395 - 02/08/07 11:58 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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After reading about the guy that got busted by posting pics on his myspace page, i began to wonder...
Lets say the media gets a hold of a story about a serial killer on the loose. Police have to hold back certain details about the crime scene due to all the attention seeking loosers that will go in and confess to being the killer, when they are really just looking for a reason to leave their homes. Why don't illegal drug operations have this same support?
If none of it was true, would it be a punishable offense if i were post a myspace page saying that, "I grow pot upstairs, grow shrooms in my bedroom closet, have a meth lab in my basement, sell guns out of my garage, and i run my hoes out of my living room."? If not, why aren't there more people doing it? I think I'm going to build my first myspace page in hopes of wasting DEA time and discouraging internet investigations. If you're not doing anything illegal in your home and are against prohibition, i suggest you join me.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: YuckMan]
#6546446 - 02/09/07 12:15 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good idea. Unfortunately most people are breaking at least two or three laws simultaneously in their home on a regular basis. But I commend you on having an original idea. Don't make it so blatant like you have all the stuff in your post. Make it believable, not like you're the baddest drug dealing pimp ever
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: YuckMan]
#6546456 - 02/09/07 12:16 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, good idea man. You might as well say you plan on a terrorist attack and killing the president as well! Maybe you should mail baby powder to senators with ANTHRAX written along with your home address... Do you have a job, dude?
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: ParanoidAndroid]
#6546485 - 02/09/07 12:28 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who's got time for a job with all that goin on, lol. Yeah, that might be a bit much to be beliveable but i was making a point. I'm not for supporting terrorism, but i have strong feelings against prohibition. It is illegal, and a punishable offense, to threaten the president's life.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: ParanoidAndroid]
#6546488 - 02/09/07 12:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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The war on drugs is ridiculous. busting a kid for growing some plants and throwing him in jail for it is pretty fucking retarded. Sending anthrax, killing people, or making people fear for their lives is a whole different ball game. I see it as legitimate crime where others are hurt vs. bullshit crime where the gov't needs to stop babysitting its citizens.
p.s. it doesn't take long to setup a myspace. After its creation you just let it sit until some jack-off pig spots it. You just have to update it a little every now and then.
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Edited by cookeman (02/09/07 12:33 AM)
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: cookeman]
#6546588 - 02/09/07 01:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know guys, but the people arresting you won't see it as such. The point I'm trying to make is you'd get way too much attention, even if it was in jest.
If you have a baggie of white powder or a vial of water and as much as slightly allude to one of them being illegal drugs, you can and probably will be arrested in the meantime. Guilty before proven innocent!
Who wants to be put on a DEA/FBI/DOJ watch list anyway? I'm pretty sure they have dumb shit like that and us folk in the states are paying for it.
Or.......maybe I'm just being paranoid
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Edited by ParanoidAndroid (02/09/07 01:16 AM)
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: ParanoidAndroid]
#6546721 - 02/09/07 03:04 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pretty much everything is illegal in some way. They would probably hit you with an obstruction of justice charge or one of the other "catch all" laws the system uses to charge people with "nothing" as revenge for wasting their time.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: Seuss]
#6546914 - 02/09/07 07:46 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Pretty much everything is illegal in some way. They would probably hit you with an obstruction of justice charge or one of the other "catch all" laws the system uses to charge people with "nothing" as revenge for wasting their time.
That's true, It would serve its purpose though in making a mockery of the justice system dealing with drug laws. He doesn't have to take pictures of stuff he actually has. Just get them from different places on the internet and claim them to be your own.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: cookeman]
#6553202 - 02/11/07 02:51 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think they could get you with anything. Obstruction wouldn't fly unless you actually turned yourself in or confessed to some crime that already happened.
I think it would be fun to fool around with the cops. Maybe you and a friend could pretentd to be big dealers and pimp them somehow when they tried to bust you. Make sure it makes the paper how stupid the pigs were and how much time and money they wasted.
Maybe you could even get drugs and money out of them somehow. When they drag you in just tell them that you need 5 kilos of cocaine 5 pounds of weed and $20,000 cash to set up your main man. Or play like it would be one friend setting up the other. Then give them the slip and make off with the loot. Be sure to make up some crazy story afterwards that makes them look really stupid. Come back with some "magic beans" or something.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: fastfred]
#6553227 - 02/11/07 03:03 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow. I'm not sure i'd go that far with it, i'm sure they'd tag something on me then. I was just thinking about putting up pics and claiming them as my own, not actually lying directly to any faces. I'm pretty sure lying to law enforcement is illegal, but putting pics up wouldn't be lying directly to law enforcement.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: YuckMan]
#6556184 - 02/11/07 10:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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> I'm not sure i'd go that far with it, i'm sure they'd tag something on me then.
It wouldn't be easy, but I bet it could be done. When they try to bust you and find nothing they will probably sweat you for awhile trying to get info. Hold out for a little bit then agree to provide the information. Tell them that you don't know who the main man is but he calls on every 3rd Friday and sets up a deal. Tell them that to get any real quantity you'll need drugs to trade and money because he's sketchy about cash only deals. Get them to set you up with the drugs and money. They'll probably wire you and you'll have a tail. You'll need a good plan, but you should be able to loose the tail and get out of the range of the wire. Then you just come back with some magic beans acting like you made the best score of your life.
Maybe they'll give you a recorder instead... Just have it go like this.
"Hey King Cappa, I need to score some good shit, only the best."
"How much and what ya need Little Johnny?"
"I need the best, most hardcore shit ya got and I'll take all ya gots."
"Ok, I got some really hardcore shit right now, but it'll cost ya."
"Great, I got plenty of goods and dough, but it better be the best."
"Yeah, it's wickid hardcore."
Then show up with some "magic beans" and tell the cops that they are "wickid hardcore" and to be careful about even touching them.
Think of the news stories... "Cops spend 3 months and 20K for magic beans", etc. They would be really, really pissed. But I bet they would all try to distance themselves from the operation. If not, and they try hassling you, just call the paper and they'll probably write another story like "Cops continue to pursue 'magic bean' dealers."
> I'm pretty sure lying to law enforcement is illegal,
Sometimes. Depends if they can roll it into obstruction, or some other crime. Obviously the idea would be to not get caught in the first place. You can lie all you want about stuff that they can never prove. If you tell them about things they could never verify then they can't do anything about it. If you tell them a lie that is easily verified to be wrong then they'll make life tough for you. That's why the wilder the story is the easier it is to get away with.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: fastfred]
#6579299 - 02/17/07 07:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Start calling in anonymous tips from pay phones and take off running. 
That or do the myspace stuff from public computers, so that they cannot verify that it was you. Tie up their bullshit system with disinformation.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: fireworks_god]
#6582359 - 02/18/07 05:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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veggie said: February 18, 2007 - newsherald.com
From funny to bizarre, cops have seen it all
During a separate crack sting, Stanford had an informant wired and sent him to buy drugs to catch the dealer. The informant bought about $100 worth of crack. But instead of returning to authorities, he took the crack and a female into the woods, where the couple smoked all the drugs, had sex and passed out.
Stanford and his partner couldn’t find the man, but the wire was still on, so they could hear him snoring. Stanford drove around the neighborhood, honking his horn as his partner, who was listening to the wire, would tell him if he was getting closer. Call it a woods version of the children’s game Marco Polo.
Stanford eventually found the informant asleep in the woods, snoring.
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: fastfred]
#6589295 - 02/20/07 12:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Is it Illegal to confess to a crime you didn't commit? [Re: Lightningfractal]
#6595678 - 02/21/07 09:17 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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while not quite the same situation, i know somebody who served about two and a half years for simply SAYING he could hook somebody up with 1000 e pills.
his partner got busted, and totally pussed out, went informant. made a call with the police listening in, asked for a thousand pills. my friend responded he didn't have them but could get them from just over the border in canada (we're in the US). end of conversation.
apparently that was enough to obtain a warrant, his house was raided that same day. they found squat. not a spec of illegal drugs in the house. he was prosecuted for CONSPIRACY to import an illegal substance across international borders, and conspiracy to distribute/supply said substances. (as an aside, he was also from canada originally, in the US illegally. im sure this was realized and may have contributed to his sentence... i don't know the full story, its hard to keep in touch with a pal in jail... i do know he was shipped back north after he served his time here.)
so it all depends, no physical evidence, no real crime even committed. boggles my mind to think they raided him so quick, i guess they were confident they'd find stuff based on the informant... you would THINK they would let him get the pills and they could bust him red handed and maybe even the source, (and even the girl that made the runs across the border that they didn't know about ) but maybe the international thing confuses that (or maybe cops just aren't that smart)... at any rate its an example of those loopholes that can bite you in the ass and this was an example of hard time served... probably unwise to play with fire
though the anon tips from a payphone seems good
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