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A quick spawning question
    #6545756 - 02/08/07 08:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

My jars are about 70% colonized and after reading many many posts Ive decided to spawn to coir, then case with MG MC. Just a quick question tho. After the coir is fully colonized and ready to be cased, should i pull it out of the container and put a bottom layer of 1/4 in. in the container, then set the coir back on top of the coir, and cover with 1/4in. on top? or just cover the colonized coir without the bottom layer? suggestions please!! thanks for tha help!

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6545786 - 02/08/07 09:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

once it's in the container you usually leave it alone. IMO you should have added the bottom layer when you made it.

side note: whys is everyone using coir as a substrate? what happened to good old fashion horse manure??? is it because it's winter?

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6545800 - 02/08/07 09:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

top layer only... top layer is your MGMC... no more coir.

leave it in the tray, apply casing when colonized.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: creamcorn]
    #6545833 - 02/08/07 09:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

alright thanks guys!! i found my answer in the post DIRECTLY before mine...but thanks for the responses anyways!! and yes it is winter, and my first grow, Ive read some good things about using coir as a substrate vs a casing ingredient. I'm sure i will try poo in the future, but coir sounds good and well...clean for tha first grow. ill be casing 3 12qt container. i have 6 1/2 pt jars of cambos. so i hope i get a decent yield for my first grow. I'm using a FC similar to the PMP. i really want to make me a marths, but seems a little advanced for me right now... what kind of set-ups do you guys use??

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6545861 - 02/08/07 09:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i use a PMP with a modification. the plans are here.


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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6545908 - 02/08/07 09:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

now im thinking thats not going to be enough substrate to fill 3 12qt containers. i found a reccomened recipe that said 1qt substrate per 12qt container. should i use 1pt per 6qt container then? thanks for the help..

wow what a bomb ass set-up, i want to try that with maybe 2-3. 12 would be nice too tho!! nice set-up for sure tho!

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6545928 - 02/08/07 09:36 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I use coir because it is easy to use and readily available,there simply are not horses where I live,no horses= no horse poo,I did have some ten stud I ordered and it works great,my flushes from the poo were better than the coir but between the hassle of waiting for poo and how much easier to use coir is,I'm a coir guy and don't see myself as ordering poo any time soon when I can get two sweater boxes fruiting from one brick of coir,coir for the win :rockon:

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: Blutjager]
    #6545942 - 02/08/07 09:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i'm not knocking coir, i was just wondering about it's recent popularity since agar's first post about using it.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6545959 - 02/08/07 09:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It works,and it works good,Like I said it doesn't kick out the flushes quite like poo but since I poo is hard for me to get I like coir,the trick is to always be making new jars when you put casings in the chamber so you can toss them after the second flush and get some new ones in there rather than wait around for some scraggly 3rd flush fruits

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: Blutjager]
    #6546003 - 02/08/07 09:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i always through them out after the secons flush also.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6546010 - 02/08/07 09:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yep,clear up some prime real estate for the new tenants to move in  :hehehe:

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: Blutjager]
    #6546313 - 02/08/07 11:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

there are plenty of cows here, I'm sure i could get some poo, and i might if coir doesn't seem to do the trick. OK 1 more thing...Blutjager, what ratio of substrate and spawn do you use. not like 50spawn and 50substrate, but for example your measurements.. how many quarts are the containers that you use for fruiting? and how many pints/quarts jars do you add to your amount of coir. This might sound a little confusing but measurements would just be nice to know!! thanks

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6546330 - 02/08/07 11:36 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i am using a 1:9 (2QT:18QT)ratio of spawn to substrate.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6546978 - 02/09/07 08:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

damn...go big or go home huh? i could have guessed with that set-up of yours!! OK well for my first grow, i will have (6) 1/2pt jars, they will DEFF be crumbled then cased. with my amount of MYC, what dept of container do you recommend? I'm thinking ill split them up between a couple containers, but selecting the size is making me TIRED!!! anyone have any suggestions??

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6546991 - 02/09/07 08:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

newguy05...2qt/18qt seems massive! so is the white container you have in your picture somewhere around 22qts?

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6547032 - 02/09/07 09:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

actualy that's the 18 quart tub in the pic. it's incubating right now but i will show pics when it's more collonized.

a three inch substrate is all that is really needed for big fruits. i used to use the foil roaster pans and fill them, which sometimes ended up being 2 1/2" - 3" in depth.

here is one of my thinner ones... as you can see the pan is only 2/3 full


in the pic the pan was full right to the top, it couldn't have been much more than 3 inches.



here is one i messed up and had to remove from it container. note it's not very thick, 2 1/2" at best.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6547072 - 02/09/07 09:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

wow!! thats a lot of help.. thanks for the pics those are great! i would rather try something thats size for my first grow. are those just the big ass turkey pans from wal-mart? well i can see you made your case for h/poo as a substrate earlier in this post, but after it colonizes do you usually add a thin casing layer on top? and if so, mind telling me what you use? thanks bro.. ill be sure to post my grow up, there no point in taking pictures of 75% colonized jars, even a noobie like me gets tired of seeing those pics!! well thanks again man!!

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6547725 - 02/09/07 02:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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there are plenty of cows here, I'm sure i could get some poo, and i might if coir doesn't seem to do the trick. OK 1 more thing...Blutjager, what ratio of substrate and spawn do you use. not like 50spawn and 50substrate, but for example your measurements.. how many quarts are the containers that you use for fruiting? and how many pints/quarts jars do you add to your amount of coir. This might sound a little confusing but measurements would just be nice to know!! thanks




2-3 quarts of colonized rye to half a brick or so of coir and some coffee in 16 qt sweater boxes,this gives me a nice 3-4 inch depth and fruits great

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: Blutjager]
    #6547939 - 02/09/07 03:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

wow i need to step up my game!! as listed like earlier in this post, i have (6) 1/2pt jars. i thought this would be enough for my first grow..but Ive learned other wise. i really would like to split it into 2 containers, so for the combined 3 pints i have, how much coir should i add? around 1/4 brick? any good estimations would be very helpful! ill be using the turkey trays from walmart, since i apparently dont have near 2-3 qt of MYC.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6548045 - 02/09/07 03:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I only prepare quarts because anything smaller if just a waste,not to say it wont work,it just as not all that efficient.If you have 6 half pints than you have enough to do one try like mine but it is still cutting it on the low side,It may still be feasible to use a half brick of coir it will just take longer to colonize because of the less spawn used,if you want to make two casings they will have to be small so maybe half up the coir amount.No matter what you have t play with the amounts so that your trays are 3-4 inches think,good luck and let us know how it grows

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6548214 - 02/09/07 05:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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are those just the big ass turkey pans from wal-mart?



yes just the big ass turkey pans. they use to make square ones but i don't know why they don't carry them anymore.

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after it colonizes do you usually add a thin casing layer on top? and if so, mind telling me what you use?


i use 60/40 coir/vermiculite. in a coir substrate you couldn't use that though. vermiculite has always worked nicley for me.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6549076 - 02/09/07 10:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

damn i REALLY need to step up my game then huh??:crazy2: well i just added quart canning jars and a pressure cooker on my list for my  trip to wally-world. damn i should have read posts for a month before i ordered any of the shit i did!! i swear i learn new shit every day. i cant seem to find rye berries at stores around here. but then again I'm probally not looking at the right stores. where can i find rye at? or is using WBS equivalent? and for qt jars use about 4cc of LC? damn 1/2 pt i wish i really knew how small they were when i got them. damn 1/2 pt PF cakes. it pisses me off thinking about them, and Ive never even used them. i feel like Ive wasted time and money with these small ass jars, quarts from now on!!! thanks Blutjager for all these tips, you've made my decisions for my first grow a ton easier, and probably more prosperous. thanks a ton man, ill post pics when I'm about to spawn :rockon:

thanks guys :yourock:

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: knotty]
    #6549125 - 02/09/07 10:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

rye is better than WBS IMO because it has more nutrients but WBS is a very close second. you can find rye at agway, feed stores, and local health food stores. bird seed is availabe at pretty mch every pet shop in the world. i try to avoid anything with sunflower seeds as they contam easily. if you end up getting WBS with sunflower seeds in it, when you simmer they will float to the top and can be removed. just make sure it contains lots of millet.

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6549192 - 02/09/07 11:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: A quick spawning question [Re: itsbreck]
    #6551100 - 02/10/07 03:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

a feed store... damn there everywhere around here. i knew i was looking at the wrong place, i will try to find rye, but if not QUART JARS of WBS will be my next grow. are there types f coir
(besides fiber) that you don't want? my local petco has what look like brick coir, but doesn't say coco anywhere, but I'm guessing its the same.its not fiber, and if there is a type of coir that you dont want, please let me know!! jars about 80% I'm going out of town for a couple days, so I'm just going to let them colonize up, they should be WELL and done when i return in a week. the jars should be fine...right?? and for the amount of MYC i will have (3 pts) any suggesions from anyone on how and what size container i should use would be helpful. thanks alot guys.

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