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Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger)
    #6539254 - 02/07/07 05:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Read this interesting and shivering article today

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=426


Iran: a war is coming
1 Feb 2007
In his latest piece for the New Statesman, John Pilger describes American plans to attack Iran, possibly with nuclear weapons. Although the majority of Americans voted last November to end the war in Iraq, the Bush cabal remains undeterred by inspid protests from Democrats and is proceeding with another, even more dangerous adventure.

The United States is planning what will be a catastrophic attack on Iran. For the Bush cabal, the attack will be a way of “buying time” for its disaster in Iraq. In announcing what he called a “surge” of American troops in Iraq, George W Bush identified Iran as his real target. “We will interrupt the flow of support [to the insurgency in Iraq] from Iran and Syria”, he said. “And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq.”

“Networks” means Iran. “There is solid evidence,” said a State Department spokesman on 24 January, “that Iranian agents are involved in these networks and that they are working with individuals and groups in Iraq and are being sent there by the Iranian government.” Like Bush’s and Blair’s claim that they had irrefutable evidence that Saddam Hussein was deploying weapons of mass destruction, the “evidence” lacks all credibility. Iran has a natural affinity with the Shia majority of Iraq, and has been implacably opposed to al-Qaeda, condemning the 9/11 attacks and supporting the United States in Afghanistan. Syria has done the same. Investigations by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and others, including British military officials, have concluded that Iran is not engaged in the cross-border supply of weapons. General Peter Pace, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said no such evidence exists.

As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, “neocon” fanatics such as Vice-President Cheney believe their opportunity to control Iran’s oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring. For public consumption, there are potent myths. In concert with Israel and Washington’s Zionist and fundamentalist Christian lobbies, the Bushites say their “strategy” is to end Iran’s nuclear threat. In fact, Iran possesses not a single nuclear weapon nor has it ever threatened to build one; the CIA estimates that, even given the political will, Iran is incapable of building a nuclear weapon before 2017, at the earliest.

Unlike Israel and the United States, Iran has abided by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, of which it was an original signatory and has allowed routine inspections under its legal obligations – until gratuitous, punitive measures were added in 2003, at the behest of Washington. No report by the International Atomic Energy Agency has ever cited Iran for diverting its civilian nuclear programme to military use. The IAEA has said that for most of the past three years its inspectors have been able to “go anywhere and see anything”. They inspected the nuclear installations at Isfahan and Natanz on 10 and 12 January and will return on 2 to 6 February. The head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei says that an attack on Iran will have “catastrophic consequences” and only encourage the regime to become a nuclear power.

Unlike its two nemeses, the US and Israel, Iran has attacked no other countries. It last went to war in 1980 when invaded by Saddam Hussein, who was backed and equipped by the US, which supplied chemical and biological weapons produced at a factory in Maryland. Unlike Israel, the world’s fifth military power with thermo-nuclear weapons aimed at Middle-East targets, an unmatched record of defying UN resolutions and the enforcer of the world’s longest illegal occupation, Iran has a history of obeying international law and occupies no territory other than its own.

The “threat” from Iran is entirely manufactured, aided and abetted by familiar, compliant media language that refers to Iran’s “nuclear ambitions”, just as the vocabulary of Saddam’s non-existent WMD arsenal became common usage. Accompanying this is a demonising that has become standard practice. As Edward Herman has pointed out, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “has done yeoman service in facilitating this”; yet a close examination of his notorious remark about Israel in October 2005 reveals its distortion. According to Juan Cole, American professor of Modern Middle History, and other Farsi language analysts, Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel to be “wiped off the map”. He said, “The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”. This, says Cole, “does not imply military action or killing anyone at all”. Ahmadinejad compared the demise of the Jerusalem regime to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The Iranian ergime is repressive, but its power is diffuse and exercised by the mullahs, with whom Ahmadinejad is often at odds. An attack would surely unite them.

The one piece of “solid evidence” is the threat posed by the United States. An American naval buildup in the eastern Mediterranean has begun. This is almost certainly part of what the Pentagon calls CONPLAN 8022, which is the aerial bombing of Iran. In 2004, National Security Presidential Directive 35, entitled Nuclear Weapons Deployment Authorisation, was issued. It is classified, of course, but the presumption has long been that NSPD 35 authorised the stockpiling and deployment of “tactical” nuclear weapons in the Middle East. This does not mean Bush will use them against Iran, but for the first time since the most dangerous years of the cold war, the use of what were then called “limited” nuclear weapons is being openly discussed in Washington. What they are debating is the prospect of other Hiroshimas and of radioactive fallout across the Middle East and Central Asia. Seymour Hersh disclosed in the New Yorker last year that American bombers “have been flying simulated nuclear weapons delivery missions . . . since last summer”.

The well-informed Arab Times in Kuwait says Bush will attack Iran before the end of April. One of Russia’s most senior military strategists, General Leonid Ivashov says the US will use nuclear munitions delivered by Cruise missiles launched in the Mediterranean. “The war in Iraq,” he wrote on 24 January, “was just one element in a series of steps in the process of regional destabilization. It was only a phase in getting closer to dealing with Iran and other countries. [When the attack on Iran begins] Israel is sure to come under Iranian missile strikes. Posing as victims, the Israelis will suffer some tolerable damage and then an outraged US will destabilize Iran finally, making it look like a noble mission of retribution . . . Public opinion is already under pressure. There will be a growing anti-Iranian hysteria, leaks, disinformation etcetera . . . It remains unclear whether the US Congress is going to authorize the war.”

Asked about a US Senate resolution disapproving of the “surge” of US troops to Iraq, Vice-President Cheney said, “It won’t stop us.” Last November, a majority of the American electorate voted for the Democratic Party to control Congress and stop the war in Iraq. Apart from insipid speeches of “disapproval”, this has not happened and is unlikely to happen. Influential Democrats, such as the new leader of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, and would-be presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have disported themselves before the Israeli lobby. Edwards is regarded in his party as a “liberal”. He was one of a high-level American contingent at a recent Israeli conference in Herzilya, where he spoke about “an unprecedented threat to the world and Israel (sic). At the top of these threats is Iran . . . All options are on the table to ensure that Iran will never get a nuclear weapon.” Hillary Clinton has said, “US policy must be unequivocal . . . We have to keep all options on the table.” Pelosi and Howard Dean, another liberal, have distinguished themselves by attacking former President Jimmy Carter, who oversaw the Camp David agreement between Israel and Egypt and has had the gall to write a truthful book accusing Israel of becoming an “apartheid state”. Pelosi said, “Carter does not speak for the Democratic Party.” She is right, alas.

In Britain, Downing Street has been presented with a document entitled “Answering the Charges” by Professor Abbas Edalal of Imperial College, London, on behalf of others seeking to expose the disinformation on Iran. Blair remains silent. Apart from the usual honourable exceptions, Parliament remains shamefully silent.

Can this really be happening again, less than four years after the invasion of Iraq which has left some 650,000 people dead? I wrote virtually this same article early in 2003; for Iran now read Iraq then. And is it not remarkable that North Korea has not been attacked? North Korea has nuclear weapons. That is the message, loud and clear, for the Iranians.

In numerous surveys, such as that conducted this month by BBC World Service, “we”, the majority of humanity, have made clear our revulsion for Bush and his vassals. As for Blair, the man is now politically and morally naked for all to see. So who speaks out, apart from Professor Edalal and his colleagues? Privileged journalists, scholars and artists, writers and thespians who sometimes speak about “freedom of speech” are as silent as a dark West End theatre. What are they waiting for? The declaration of another thousand year Reich, or a mushroom cloud in the Middle East, or both?

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6539362 - 02/07/07 06:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This guy seems like the Homer Simpson of journalism

From his Wikipedia article:

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He has been subjected to much criticism, with Auberon Waugh in Britain coining the verb 'to pilger' to denote 'to present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion'. The verb was also added to the 1991 edition of Oxford English Dictionary of New Words ([1])




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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Basilides]
    #6539684 - 02/07/07 09:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Making judgements based on hearsay picked up from a Wiki makes you the Homer Simpson of this thread....doh!

You should note that Oxford do not check the veracity of these slang verbs origins. They just need to appear enough in print to warrant entry.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6539719 - 02/07/07 09:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder who they are going to trot out to present their "evidence" this time?

I hear Colin Powell is unavailable.

One thing is for sure; They need someone with credibility. Something in short supply in this White House.

Does anyone but the most deaf and dumb Republican believe a word these people say anymore?


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: GazzBut]
    #6539722 - 02/07/07 09:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
Making judgements based on hearsay picked up from a Wiki makes you the Homer Simpson of this thread....doh! :rimshot:

You should note that Oxford do not check the veracity of these slang verbs origins. They just need to appear enough in print to warrant entry.




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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Under_the_Stars]
    #6539747 - 02/07/07 09:51 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I only read about 1/3 of the article.  It is obvious that this guy is reaching...

Quote:

George W Bush identified Iran as his real target.  [snip] “And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq.”

“Networks” means Iran.

“There is solid evidence,” said a State Department spokesman on 24 January, “that Iranian agents are involved in these networks and that they are working with individuals and groups in Iraq and are being sent there by the Iranian government.”




Ooookkkkaaayyyy....  :rolleyes:


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6539814 - 02/07/07 10:16 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We will not invade Iran and I would be willing to put money on that.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6539868 - 02/07/07 10:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think Bush has his head THAT far up his ass.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6539894 - 02/07/07 10:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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We will not invade Iran and I would be willing to put money on that.





There's a difference between invading and plowing a nuclear facility with a B-2 delivered 1 kT bunker buster.

Does your prediction include that the US won't use their superior military force to cripple Iran's nuclear program?


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6539901 - 02/07/07 10:47 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Asante]
    #6539936 - 02/07/07 10:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yep. We won't lay a hand on Iran. It would be political suicide right now. My predictions only hold until the end of this Presidential term, however. If the Republicans win again, all bets are off.

Also. I suppose I wouldn't be too surprised if Israel did something crazy.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6539957 - 02/07/07 11:08 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
I don't think Bush has his head THAT far up his ass.




While I too agree invasion is probably not going during this term, Never never understimate how far Bush can get his head up his own ass


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6540595 - 02/07/07 02:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

we're possibly going to attack iran with nuclear weapons? come on. what a joke. why would he print something like that? he can't seriously believe that. if he does, he's an idiot. if he doesn't, just what is he up to? what a doofus.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: wilshire]
    #6540614 - 02/07/07 02:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think Iran will be able to continue with their nuclear program, unchecked by either the Americans or Israelis?

Obviously something will happen to Iran, I just don't know what, or when. :smirk: Probably with in the next 2 years though.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6540697 - 02/07/07 02:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think Iran will be able to continue with their nuclear program, unchecked by either the Americans or Israelis?

the isrealis will never let it happen.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: wilshire]
    #6541009 - 02/07/07 04:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Great. So Israel is going to do something to Iran and for some crazy reason we are obligated to help them out.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6541041 - 02/07/07 04:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We are working on a open loop system with Iran, and each input into the loop brings these countries closer to warfare.

First it started off with raiding Iranian offices in Diyala and kirkuk a few weeks ago.

The Iranians added their own input to the loop as well.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/01/27/us_confirms_kidnap_slaying_of_soldiers/

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BAGHDAD -- In one of the boldest and most sophisticated attacks in four years of warfare, gunmen speaking English, wearing US military uniforms, and carrying American weapons abducted four US soldiers last week at the provincial headquarters in the Shi'ite holy city of Karbala and then shot them to death.





John Robb explains the open loop system very well.

http://www.globalguerrillas.typepad.com/
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JOURNAL: Open loop systems and war with Iran
Here's a systems view of the escalating tensions between the US and Iran and why it will likely result in war. The current situation is open loop -- an open loop system is one where all participants are regularly adding inputs without any consideration of the output/outcome. Feedback loops, like direct diplomatic contact or the use of international bodies/mediators to adjudicate disputes, that could typically serve to mitigate further deterioration have been intentionally turned off by those that want this conflict to occur. As are result, inputs from allies like Israel and Saudi Arabia (both fearful of growing Iranian power), impetus from guerrillas/militias forcing sectarian conflict, fears over ongoing nuclear development, mutual military preparation for conflict, and a need to assign blame for escalating counter-insurgency failures continue to drive it forward. At some point in the not too distant future, unless the feedback loops are reinstated, the system will inevitably produce an outcome that will force a war.

NOTE: This mechanism puts the January 20th, 2007 attack on US forces in Karbala into perspective. During this attack, guerrillas posed as US military personnel (complete with GMC SUVs, US weapons, radios, IDs, US military camo, and a command of English) entered the provincial governor's compound. They took four US soldiers hostage and killed another through a grenade attack on the governor's offices. They then escaped the compound with Iraqi military in loose pursuit. The four US soldiers captured in the attack were later found with the abandoned SUVs dead, killed execution style. As Bill Rogio maintains, this was likely an Iranian operation (Qods) similar in form to the Hezbollah attack that set off the recent war in Lebanon. Expect more of this escalating tit for tat in the future.



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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6541129 - 02/07/07 04:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Are any of you doomsayers going to put their money where their mouth is? I am willing for put down $50 that there will be no U.S. armed conflict with Iran before the next presidential election.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6541172 - 02/07/07 05:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
Are any of you doomsayers going to put their money where their mouth is? I am willing for put down $50 that there will be no U.S. armed conflict with Iran before the next presidential election.




Alright 50$ down right here. GO team doom and gloom!

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #6541257 - 02/07/07 05:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

There has been no declaration of war against Iran. Don't forget that congress approved the Iraq war, including democrats. However, they wouldn't approve a war with Iran unless there was serious aggression on their part.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: GazzBut]
    #6541452 - 02/07/07 06:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
Making judgements based on hearsay picked up from a Wiki makes you the Homer Simpson of this thread....doh!

You should note that Oxford do not check the veracity of these slang verbs origins. They just need to appear enough in print to warrant entry.




Making judgements? Ok, yea, I'm guilty of judging this sorry excuse for a journalist who just happens to have a derogatory verb named after him in the Oxford that is almost exclusively used for this kind of pseudo-journalism.

Sorry, but this guy has no credibility.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Basilides]
    #6541513 - 02/07/07 06:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Tough bet there Stormy. The Crayon may well claim a win based on another example of the US raiding an ersatz embassy in a hut.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6541750 - 02/07/07 07:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I hate to dictate terms after the agreement was made, but I'm not talking about some conflict like US soldiers killing some Iranian operatives in Iraq. No ticky-tack stuff; we're talking real conflict here. I mean either a direct conflict on Iran's soil or a major bombing campaign of Iran.

If you feel this is unfair, you can still pull out of the bet.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6541844 - 02/07/07 07:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Im talking about fullscale attack by a coalition in order for a regime change in Iran.

By either Israel,USA,Britain or NATO forces.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6541848 - 02/07/07 07:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds good to me. Is the time frame fine or would you like to change it?

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6541880 - 02/07/07 07:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds good to me. Is the time frame fine or would you like to change it?




Nah its a good time frame.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6541934 - 02/07/07 07:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

So if Israel attacks Iran, he pays you?


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Gijith]
    #6541945 - 02/07/07 07:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It has to be at least a coalition involving the US. We have to have a direct hand in things. No fighting by proxy.

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6542670 - 02/07/07 11:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe that you guys are betting on this...:lol:

I hope Redstorm wins :thumbup:


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Basilides]
    #6543264 - 02/08/07 03:46 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Basilides said:
Quote:

GazzBut said:
Making judgements based on hearsay picked up from a Wiki makes you the Homer Simpson of this thread....doh!

You should note that Oxford do not check the veracity of these slang verbs origins. They just need to appear enough in print to warrant entry.




Making judgements? Ok, yea, I'm guilty of judging this sorry excuse for a journalist who just happens to have a derogatory verb named after him in the Oxford that is almost exclusively used for this kind of pseudo-journalism.

Sorry, but this guy has no credibility.




Well he doesn't actually - the verb was removed. 

Pilger is one of the last true journalists alive. This guy was on the frontline in Vietnam, one of the first guys in Cambodia. As Harold Pinter said "John Pilger unearths, with steely attention to the facts, the filthy truth. I salute him."

As for Auberon Waugh? Just find a photo of the guy and see what you think :grin:

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: robbyberto]
    #6543749 - 02/08/07 10:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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robbyberto said:
Great. So Israel is going to do something to Iran and for some crazy reason we are obligated to help them out.




You also give Israel more foreign aid than any other country, for some crazy reason.

*ducks and covers from the Nazi insults*

Seriously, I think the timeframe of attack will depend on Iran's progress with getting the bomb(duh). So if they start crude testing and what not, look out, because shit will hit the fan, one way or another.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6544167 - 02/08/07 01:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

North Korea detonated a nuke and we didn't bomb them.

I just don't see us going to war with Iran. There is no way in hell congress would allow it to happen. Barring anything big happening in Iran. Like them nuking something in Iraq.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Basilides]
    #6546706 - 02/09/07 02:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe the people who tell me this guy has no credibility. In reality I dont really have a clue.




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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6549087 - 02/09/07 10:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Hank, FTW said:

*ducks and covers from the Nazi insults*





You have a persecution complex, my friend.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: minesstudent]
    #6549254 - 02/10/07 12:01 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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North Korea detonated a nuke and we didn't bomb them.

I just don't see us going to war with Iran. There is no way in hell congress would allow it to happen. Barring anything big happening in Iran. Like them nuking something in Iraq.




North Korea is trying to be a "responsible nuclear power". Iran's president in contrast says "Israel should be wiped off the map", and then says "we are pursuing peaceful nuclear technology" in the next breath.

He's setting up a football for Bush to kick.

The commander in chief can and likely will order an emergency military strike without congress' approval.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Seuss]
    #8396981 - 05/13/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Shrub pulled a fireworks show out of his arse on the way out. I don't think it is foolish to worry about the use of nukes from this administration. We are the only country I know of that has used a full scale nuke against another. and they sure like to talk about it.

My conspiracy friends say that shrub n fiends have been voted most likely to instate martial law... this could be the way to do it... but the uh, how reliable the conspiracy folks are is always questionable...

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: oreandra]
    #8397124 - 05/13/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for bringing this thread up, now it reminded me i owe redstorm 50 bucks :crankey:

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8397643 - 05/13/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

how hilarious is it that Alex123 is pretty much MIA.

if only he would have taken is girlfriend with him.


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8397749 - 05/13/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
thanks for bringing this thread up, now it reminded me i owe redstorm 50 bucks :crankey:




:lol:

I have this thread bookmarked on my desktop pc. You got yourself about half a year for Bush to do something brash. :wink:

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #8399520 - 05/14/08 01:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i have one million dollars that says America takes over the world before i die, anyone wanna take me up on that?

if you do just send your funds to my bookie


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9879842 - 02/27/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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Redstorm said:
Are any of you doomsayers going to put their money where their mouth is? I am willing for put down $50 that there will be no U.S. armed conflict with Iran before the next presidential election.




Alright 50$ down right here. GO team doom and gloom!




Speaking of bumping old threads for reminders, I will take that $50 in cash or money order.

Thanks for reminding me about reminders, guys. :wink:

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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9880157 - 02/27/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

:laugh:


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Arp]
    #9881114 - 02/27/09 10:22 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

is this thread some kind of a joke?

that article was from 2007


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: aDoS]
    #9881125 - 02/27/09 10:24 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

I remember this, good call!


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9881146 - 02/27/09 10:26 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

ah man, i didn't even realize how long ago this thread was

WHO BUMPED THIS


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Re: Iran: a war is coming (John Pilger) [Re: aDoS]
    #9881957 - 02/28/09 01:54 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

I did to collect my debt.

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