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biological/fallout/emp shelter design
    #6524953 - 02/02/07 09:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

So i think that we all can agree that we as humans can not be trusted with the weapons that we have created, and that one day, they will be used again.

In the interest of surviving any future warfare or other natural disasters such as a naturally occouring nuclear winter (from things such as a blow in the yellowstone caldera, being hit by a large asteriod, or excessive volcanic activity)

It would seem to me that there would have to be a few main characteristics/needs that would have to be met in any design.

So i was considering practical, and stylish ways to survive these apocolyptic scenarios, and one came to mind.

Jumbo Jet aircraft.
Allready equipped with pressurised cabins, and able to withstand high winds and weather scenarios. One could be burried underground, or even above ground. The jet alone would be able to protect from atmospheric contaminants such as bacteria and radioactive fallout.

A faraday cage, or conductive mesh could be built over the structure which would also be able to dispurse an electromagnetic pulse, as its un-debatable that electronics would play a vital role in the operation of any such shelter.

also a 727 can hold over 9800 gallons of fuel on board, space that could be converted into drinking water storage.

it seems to me that about the only thing that would be a risk to this shelter is a direct explosion, or large snow drifts/floods which could consume the shelter.

(yes im nutty :crazy2: )

also for your information, here is a diagram of emp blast radius's from a SINGLE weapon.


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Re: biological/fallout/emp shelter design [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6528542 - 02/04/07 12:51 AM (17 years, 30 days ago)

I'd like to search through patent databases and see if any apocalypse shelters have been patented.

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Re: biological/fallout/emp shelter design [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6529016 - 02/04/07 06:46 AM (17 years, 30 days ago)

Sea containers. Have a couple of connected sea containers buried and go from there. Sea containers are huge and cheap to get.


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Re: biological/fallout/emp shelter design [Re: Asante]
    #6535374 - 02/05/07 10:54 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Shipping containers are awesome...I plan on having a underground complex of them. Ebay has 40' containers for under 2k, get a few of them and outfit them to your liking, and you're set, that is if they are interconnected.

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Re: biological/fallout/emp shelter design [Re: Asante]
    #6535552 - 02/05/07 11:34 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

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Sea containers. Have a couple of connected sea containers buried and go from there. Sea containers are huge and cheap to get.




that's what I was about to say.

A good solid shipping container is not only rigid enough to serve as sturdy housing, but it's also entirely encased in metal, making it it's own self-supporting Faraday cage. They use one on Mythbusters to contain explosions and projectiles, as well as to shield things inside from external EM radiation.

If I needed a bomb shelter, I would bury two of those containers, make a doorway joining them, and perhaps lay a slab of concrete above them with a solid door covering the ladder into the shelter. The containers are pretty inexpensive for a structure so large, too. Houses made of them are well-known for being remarkably affordable.


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Re: biological/fallout/emp shelter design [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6536610 - 02/06/07 12:00 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

I think your idea would work but would be impractical for most people.

I would suggest sinking a culvert which was designed for bridging creeks. Culverts are steel pipes which are very strong, light for their size, inexpensive when compared to other types of construction, galvanized and therefore rustproof. They come in a large variety of sizes, from as small as one foot in diameter to 20 feet in diameter and bigger.

The following is an eight foot culvert 50 feet long. Steel plates were welded onto each end to enclose the culvert and vents added.



Picture of how the interior might look:



Virtually undetectable from the outside:



As far as EMPs personally I would construct a simple faraday cage for each component as opposed to making the entire structure one big cage. (I would imagine the pulse would travel down the vent).

Easy way to do it is to save the box the electronic device came in and wrap that in aluminum or copper foil. As long as no part of the device touches the foil it should be fine.


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