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my "heroic dose" trip
    #6287217 - 11/15/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I've been reading and listening to a lot of Terence McKenna -- fucking crazy, brilliant guy -- and come across that "heroic dose" of 5 grams laying down in the dark. On Monday, I did just that. It was my fifth trip.

After I came up it was rough. I kind of felt like I was fighting off bad vibes, because it was showing me some very dark visions. I turned on the light and sat on the edge of my bed and on every surface in my room there was a different kind of moving, static-like pattern. It was very confusing and intense.

Then I found my groove, I guess you could say, and it was all level 5 for most of the rest of the trip. So much so that I can remember very little about it. One of the main things I remember was the strong desire to find a language to describe it.

Towards the end though I was getting tired and wanted to sleep. Well, those mushrooms have a sick sense of humor. Fairly quickly I became very, very nauseous. I sat up and grabbed my trashcan. And I threw them allllll up. But that totally ended the trip. It was bizarre. I was asleep within 15 minutes.

Anyway, the thing about such a "heroic dose" is that in terms of effects, it varies so much with potency and individual chemistry. I think 5 grams was probably overkill for me, as I had a similar trip on 4 grams several weeks ago.

I'm starting to question the value of close-eyed trips, though. Although they are extremely profound, they slip from memory so easily that it's hard to glean anything from them but vague impressions.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6287238 - 11/15/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting report. I am considering such an experience myself.
I would like to hear what others think about the value of such a trip.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: aelephant]
    #6287294 - 11/15/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Well, it is true that a high dose trip is very different from a low dose one, which is why McKenna advocated the heroic dose. The high dose effects are truly bizarre and alien. That was among my strongest impressions of this trip, the sheer nonhuman nature of the experience. The day after, I got all teared up just thinking about how amazing it was.

It's definitely worth it, but it's probably also worth it to find the lowest possible dose you can that will produce those effects. It was extremely dreamlike, and I have few memories of anything that happened between the beginning and the end.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: aelephant]
    #6287334 - 11/15/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i cant take hallucinogenics alone, id go crazy(ier) ! :hehehe:


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6287337 - 11/15/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know, somehow I've managed to do all my trips alone without any problems. Well, like I said, this trip was the roughest, but it wasn't anywhere near what I'd call a bad trip at any point.

Oh, and although I was laying down in the dark I wasn't in complete silence. I have a noisy air cleaner in my room that was not friendly to me at first. I turned it off, but then I found I missed the sound and turned it back on. It was so ridiculous. I guess eventually I just learned to ignore it.

I get hung up on the most retarded things while tripping.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6287415 - 11/15/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

its strange how your mind gets fixated on one topic while tripping. like staring at a table top and just not wanting to remove your focus because you've almost figured it all out: a table top's specific function in society.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6287416 - 11/15/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't know, somehow I've managed to do all my trips alone without any problems.  Well, like I said, this trip was the roughest, but it wasn't anywhere near what I'd call a bad trip at any point.

Oh, and although I was laying down in the dark I wasn't in complete silence.  I have a noisy air cleaner in my room that was not friendly to me at first.  I turned it off, but then I found I missed the sound and turned it back on.  It was so ridiculous.  I guess eventually I just learned to ignore it.

I get hung up on the most retarded things while tripping.




once i ate some cubes at home alone, i started to come up and i didnt like it so i got a friend to come and join me :lol:

since then i never entertained the thought of tripping alone, i really dont think i would like it.

later on in the trip is ok for me to be alone, i think its just the come up where i need company.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6287424 - 11/15/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i only like tripping with my best friend because there's a comfort level we've reached while tripping. i know he won't freak out or anything and he'll be real chill and like to do all things i want to do. otherwise if he's not around i prefer to go it alone.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #6287626 - 11/15/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I prefer tripping alone, tripping in a group tends to change the dynamic of things. And since I"m very particular about making sure everyone is enjoying their trip I end up restricting my activities and focusing more on the group. When I've tripped alone I've been able to follow my mushroom inspired train of thoughts and go about running around doing things I please.

But besides this I love the bond mushroom creates between people in a group.

I hope you have more luck with your heroic doses in the future, I hope to take one in the near future!


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6287890 - 11/15/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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I get hung up on the most retarded things while tripping.




man i know exactly wat you mean, the same thing happens to me often

i prefer to trip alone usually. when i trip with people i always start thinking to much and i get caught up in worrying about suspicious motives of my companions, such as"is he talking shit about me?" or "they're plotting against me" etc etc


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: gtpen]
    #6287900 - 11/15/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I've never even seen another human being on any of my trips so far. I wouldn't mind tripping with someone else, but it doesn't really matter to me. I seem to deal with negative shit really well so far, though that is by no means a sure thing.

I don't know, as drug-induced experiences go, I really want to have some heavy-handed, roving intellectual conversations, either on a psychedelic or MJ. I just don't do the giggling thing, I guess. I need my intellectual fix, dammit.

I know at least that writing about things intellectual while tripping is basically perfection.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6288019 - 11/15/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

There is one person I have ever met that I am willing to trip with. The rest of my trips were alone. Id say 30 out of 170 trips have been with one other person. When me and this one person trip together the conversations are almost scary. We also dont stop talking.

We giggle here and there but thats because we are to lazy to explain why we read eachothers minds. We know why we think the same way..... We have our laughs. The trips with him are very serious though. The comedown is often histerical, they are lots of fun with a pipe at our side, as we come back home and intigrate our strange group experience.........

From now until I die though, I will be alone while tripping. Although it is AMAZING with a strange like-mind at your side.


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6288088 - 11/15/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I think when you trip this way you have to be very patient and in controll of yourself. Not in controll of your trip by any means but more of like be centered. You have to meditate, which can be extremely hard if you have never meditated before, because you have to sit still, breathe properly, which ofcourse can b annoying at first, especially on shrooms.

My advice would be, practice meditation, read up on it. Meditate about 20 minutes a day untill you sort of get the hang of it. THEN take 5 grams of shrooms in complete darkness, belive me, it will be worth it. It wont be your avg trip, and it will be easier to re-collect all your thoughts after the trip, and gain insight during the trip.

But that ofcourse is just one way to do it. Some prefer doing this in complete darkness and without any sound at all. Others like a little music, maybe sounds of nature for the "lighter" trips, or something like BUDDHIST monk chants for the more experienced users. There is nothing like hearing Monk chants on drugs, it can be extremely intence! O_o


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: TMshroom]
    #6289154 - 11/16/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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I think when you trip this way you have to be very patient and in controll of yourself. Not in controll of your trip by any means but more of like be centered. You have to meditate, which can be extremely hard if you have never meditated before, because you have to sit still, breathe properly, which ofcourse can b annoying at first, especially on shrooms.

My advice would be, practice meditation, read up on it. Meditate about 20 minutes a day untill you sort of get the hang of it. THEN take 5 grams of shrooms in complete darkness, belive me, it will be worth it. It wont be your avg trip, and it will be easier to re-collect all your thoughts after the trip, and gain insight during the trip.

But that ofcourse is just one way to do it. Some prefer doing this in complete darkness and without any sound at all. Others like a little music, maybe sounds of nature for the "lighter" trips, or something like BUDDHIST monk chants for the more experienced users. There is nothing like hearing Monk chants on drugs, it can be extremely intence! O_o




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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: prajnaparamita]
    #6528008 - 02/03/07 10:03 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

kewl lol


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Re: my "heroic dose" trip [Re: theshroom12345]
    #6528105 - 02/03/07 10:38 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

My first trip was with 5 other people, and it was great. We were outside, all first timers, in a huge golf course with one sober person, and we just wandered for hours, only really interacting when our paths brought us together. We all had an 1/8, so it was a fairly intense trip.

The next couple times I was with one or two people, or one person tripping and one sober, but each time I just kept getting reallllly nervous and had to be by myself. Especially when I'm with trip sitters who I am either not too close with, or are close but not into the whole drug scene themselves, so I get really nervous about what they will think of me while tripping.

I plan to try a dose of 6 grams in the near future and I'm pretty sure I will have to do this alone, but have someone like in my house in a different room or something in case I do need them.


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