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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: supernaut]
    #6526476 - 02/03/07 01:12 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Use Omni from GNC.  I passed Best Buy's piss test.  Twice :thumbup:!  It's a same day test that gives you a 5-7 hour window.  It's guaranteed.

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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: Newbie]
    #6611915 - 02/26/07 09:18 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

A friend of mine used ready clean and passed a probation test but don't rely on them that same friend got popped randomly and is in jail. He wasn't very bright.

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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: StroFun]
    #6612305 - 02/26/07 12:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Ive seen quite a few people fail using those things, even the ones from GNC.

Really, every body is different, and every metabolism is different. I could smoke blunts everyday, and still pass drug tests without drinking anything (ive done this before when I was younger)...i just had a crazy metabolism and drank about 10 bottles of water/day

Best thing I haver seen people use for drug tests is Sure Gel. Buy it next to the jello at your local grocery store. Mix it into a drink and take it the morning before a test...then drink a few glasses of water before the test. Ive seen people that smoke constantly, that have major body fat, still pass drug tests using sure gel.

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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: dedjam]
    #6613436 - 02/26/07 05:13 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think that sounds pretty crazy... How is jello supposed to clean out your system. For that matter it's rather foolish IMO to put your job or freedom in any type of product that claims to clean you out.

I've never seen any real research on any of these products or any substance that will clean drugs out of your system.

It's far better to cheat the test fair and square. Use someone's clean piss or dehydrated piss. There are all kind of products like the wizzinator and others that will let you beat the test the easy way without having to sweat it.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: fastfred]
    #6615892 - 02/27/07 07:36 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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I think that sounds pretty crazy... How is jello supposed to clean out your system. For that matter it's rather foolish IMO to put your job or freedom in any type of product that claims to clean you out.

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Luckily, once you get a real job in life and arent working at walmart, you dont get drug tested. I havent had to deal with that since my teen years.

That said, Im a computer scientist/math geek. I have no idea how sure gel works (btw, nice reading comprehension...i said it was near the jello, its actually for making jelly). However, ive seen it work time and time again for me, and everyone else I have ever heard talk about using it. I thought it was common knowledge everywhere, as I have lived in many different places where people have talked about using it to pass thier drug tests.

If you want a scientific answer, become a scientist and figure it the fuck out. I'm just givin advice to someone looking for a little help.

That said, if you have a drug test...dont do drugs...a job is more important than being high. Get the job and then do your drugs. Or if you are getting random drug tested, stay away from drugs. If you cant do that, then obviously there are some self control problems that need to be addressed, or priorities that you need to work out.

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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: fastfred]
    #6619461 - 02/28/07 03:57 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> How is jello supposed to clean out your system

It is geletin (or pectin), not Jello... I have no idea how it works, of if it works, for drug tests, but in general, geletin is great at absorbing some types of chemicals, such as soluble astringent complex phenolic substances.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: Seuss]
    #6623075 - 03/01/07 03:14 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> Luckily, once you get a real job in life and arent working at walmart, you dont get drug tested.

Dream on. Lots of jobs have pee testing. Your company either has pee testing or they don't, it doesn't have all that much to do with how high up you are, how educated you are, or what you do.

> btw, nice reading comprehension...i said it was near the jello

I didn't really know what "sure gel" is, I assumed it was some type of gelatin, aka jello. Upon looking it up, I see that it's modified corn starch.

If you think modified corn starch is going to help you pass a pee test then you probably have bigger problems than drug testing to worry about.

> I'm just givin advice to someone looking for a little help.

Well then, I think you're giving out bad advice. Bad advice isn't helpful at all. What you're saying is just some urban BS along the same lines as "Hey I had this friend that swears by squeezing your balls when you pee." "It's worked time and time again."

Anyways, take some good advice and just cheat the pee test like most people do. You already probably have plenty of modified corn starch in your diet anyway.

> geletin is great at absorbing some types of chemicals,

It's also a completely digestible protein, meaning that none of it makes it into your blood stream. Thus it's hard to see how it could have any effect. The same is true of modified corn starch.

The only things I'm aware of that actually will help clean your system out are niacin and various herbs such as goldenseal.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: fastfred]
    #6623085 - 03/01/07 03:25 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> It's also a completely digestible protein

Yes, geletin is, but is the new chemical that results when the geletin is combined with phenolic substances. I know that the result is no longer water soluble, but I don't know that it is no longer digestable. Again, I am not making any claim that geletin/pectin work... just trying to answer the question of how they could work, at least in theory...


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: Seuss]
    #6623134 - 03/01/07 04:33 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

As far as my understanding of digestion goes gelatin is completely broken down into it's component amino acids before any of it enters the blood stream.  I don't think any significant amount of drugs are present in the GI tract, so I think it's highly unlikely that gelatin could have any effect on removing drugs from your system.

Modified corn starch is just a type of starch, which is a polysaccharide, which is simply a multi-unit sugar.  Starches are highly digestible, in fact your body doesn't even wait for starches to be swallowed.  There are enzymes in your saliva that begin breaking down starches immediately.  Seeing how starches are broken down into simple sugars almost before they even reach the stomach I don't see how that could do anything for cleansing your system.

Of course, I'm no expert in medicine.  I only had to take a year of biochemistry and I've only done two artificial digestion chamber experiments in microbiology, neither of which was related to gelatin or corn starch. :wink:


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: fastfred]
    #6623189 - 03/01/07 04:56 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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I only had to take a year of biochemistry and I've only done two artificial digestion chamber experiments in microbiology, neither of which was related to gelatin or corn starch.




Which is quite a bit more education on the subject than I have... :wink:  I have never been able to decide if these types of products really work or not.  A lot of people swear by them, but a lot of people used to swear that the earth was flat.  Playing the Devil's Advocate didn't really help, other than to show that I was thinking of how processes would work in a beaker rather than a body.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: Seuss]
    #6623297 - 03/01/07 05:44 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well it's hard to say. Considering that nobody has any idea what's in these products and there's no real research on the subject or objective, factually based reviews of the products it would be foolish to claim that none of them work and they are all scams.

OTOH I'm a skeptic, and as such, I'm highly suspicious of claims that are demanded to be taken on faith alone. From what I understand a lot of these products come with instructions to drink a ton of water with them, which will itself dilute your sample to the point where you have a pretty good chance of passing.

If you're really looking to pass with confidence then it's easy enough to buy a product based on beating the test with fake piss. I'm not really sure why people would take chances with shady products claiming to clean you out when there are sure fire ways to pass using the logically sound idea of simply using clean piss.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: fastfred]
    #6625233 - 03/01/07 05:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

my experience and my friend's experiences have been aweful. there's other ways to pass a test...like using clean piss from a tied up condom held between your legs for body heat. works great if it's unsupervised.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: figment]
    #6626555 - 03/01/07 11:21 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You can get devices that will work fine even if it's supervised. I've never really heard of getting watched while you pee except for probation and jail tests though.

I wouldn't use a tied up condom though. It's too easy for it to break and end up looking like you wet your pants.

I've heard good reports about the whizzinator. It's reusable, designed to be worn for extended periods, and has a fake penis so you can pass supervised tests. There's probably better products to use for unsupervised tests though.



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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: fastfred]
    #6627182 - 03/02/07 06:43 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i used to have a wizzinator. it is very good. you can buy dehydrated pee from them to at $10 a pop. i sold mine after i didn't need it anymore. and looking back...i just don't see why it was such a big deal to me to get fucked up. it's not that hard to stay clean and plus, the wizzinator costs about $200 i think. if i remember right.

and about the condom: i never had any problems with it. but yeah, you're right. it would SUCK if it busted....funny though for the witnesses though! :grin:


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    #6636208 - 03/04/07 11:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Take the advice of someone who has experience in forensic toxicology, your best bet is to use the fake dick and someone elses pee and or powdered pee. Let me break down for you what a typical US toxicology lab will do for you. First of all, since labs recieve such a large abundance of specimens, all specimens go through a standard screening process. For those of you who think that every specimen is not tested (i.e. specimens being chosen at random) your wrong. Every specimen is screened photometrically (meaning by a spectrophotometer with the samples and the appropriate amount of ligand for what is being tested) Typical testing done for five classes of substances THC,Opiates,Amphetamines,Cocaine,and Benzos. Now the detectable concentration for the screening process is much higher than is for the confirmatory testing (gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy). Take THC for instance. The screen can detect concentrations at > or = to 50 nanograms per milliliter. The confirmatory test can be postive at values > or = to 15ng/ml. The basics of the testing having been laid down let me add some other practices that may not be followed at all labs but certainly the good ones. Urines can be tested for density a.k.a specific gravity. If a urine is highly diluted then it might be labeled for confirmatory testing. The only real way to beat a piss test is to drink shit loads of water so that the concentration of drugs in your piss is below the detectable value. A lot of these gimic drinks require you to drink lots of water. But the flipside of this is you might be singling yourself out for mandatory confirmatory testing which is a tough cookie to beat. Some labs will also test for adulterants/b.s. drinks (NaOCl, creatine, golden seal, etc.) then labeled for confirm testing. Good labs are hip to the b.s. gimics floating around on the net so take heed. Forensic toxicologists take pride in being able to nail positive samples.

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    #6636228 - 03/04/07 11:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Take the advice of someone who has experience in forensic toxicology, your best bet is to use the fake dick and someone elses pee and or powdered pee. Let me break down for you what a typical US toxicology lab will do for you. First of all, since labs recieve such a large abundance of specimens, all specimens go through a standard screening process. For those of you who think that every specimen is not tested (i.e. specimens being chosen at random) your wrong. Every specimen is screened photometrically (meaning by a spectrophotometer with the samples and the appropriate amount of ligand for what is being tested) Typical testing done for five classes of substances THC,Opiates,Amphetamines,Cocaine,and Benzos. Now the detectable concentration for the screening process is much higher than is for the confirmatory testing (gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy). Take THC for instance. The screen can detect concentrations at > or = to 50 nanograms per milliliter. The confirmatory test can be postive at values > or = to 15ng/ml. The basics of the testing having been laid down let me add some other practices that may not be followed at all labs but certainly the good ones. Urines can be tested for density a.k.a specific gravity. If a urine is highly diluted then it might be labeled for confirmatory testing. The only real way to beat a piss test is to drink shit loads of water so that the concentration of drugs in your piss is below the detectable value. A lot of these gimic drinks require you to drink lots of water. But the flipside of this is you might be singling yourself out for mandatory confirmatory testing which is a tough cookie to beat. Some labs will also test for adulterants/b.s. drinks (NaOCl, creatine, golden seal, etc.) then labeled for confirm testing. Good labs are hip to the b.s. gimics floating around on the net so take heed. Forensic toxicologists take pride in being able to nail positive samples.

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Re: worked in forensic toxicology before [Re: scoobydoobie]
    #6636420 - 03/05/07 12:31 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe some places spend for the expensive tests, but 95% of places just do the simple dip strip (EMIT) test. Even most fancy labs simply do the EMIT test and then only GC/MS the positives.

So you only have two things to worry about... Temperature, which is measured by a stick-on (aquarium style) strip thermometer on the cup you pee into. And being below the levels that EMIT detects.

So just make sure that your sample is 94-100F and that it's diluted enough that the dip stick doesn't catch it. It doesn't really matter if your sample is diluted enough to get further testing as long as it's diluted to below the limits. You can test positive for all kinds of shit, as long as it's below the limits they have to call it a negative.

I think they often use density and pH to determine if it's diluted. I bet most places don't even check for dilution and you could probably pass them some hot water and you'd be fine. If it comes up diluted they just make you pee again anyway, so by that time you should have had time to clean up.


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Re: worked in forensic toxicology before [Re: fastfred]
    #6640427 - 03/06/07 04:52 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> Take the advice of someone who has experience in forensic toxicology

Cool...

> Take THC for instance. The screen can detect concentrations at > or = to 50 nanograms per milliliter.

Does the screen detect THC or THC metabolites or both? There is a very big difference between the two.


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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: Newbie]
    #6640844 - 03/06/07 10:04 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Use Omni from GNC.  I passed Best Buy's piss test.  Twice :thumbup:!  It's a same day test that gives you a 5-7 hour window.  It's guaranteed.



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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: supernaut]
    #6647542 - 03/08/07 12:53 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I've only heard of THC metabolite testing, as this is what stick's around after you're sober.

Regarding the products you buy, I don't think they work personally. The immunoassay tests are probably succeptible to doping with pH alterants and such, but these would be easy to catch- I'd only use this stuff if you know they don't test the integrity of the sample. Also, I bet the self-test line won't show up if you adjust the pH enough to screw up the actual test- hope this makes sense.

Also see this: "Water alone was approximately as effective as the two commercial products in reducing the metabolite level" Source: J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1997;35(6):637-42. ; At: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9365433&dopt=Abstract

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Re: Do detoxify products work??? [Re: malcom43]
    #6648142 - 03/08/07 08:45 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> I've only heard of THC metabolite testing, as this is what stick's around after you're sober.

Same here... which leads me to speculate, if one gets fired from a job for "marijuana use" based on a drug test... could one not sue for wrongful termination, as the test does not prove that cannabis/THC was actually consumed, only that metabolites are present? (I suppose one we need to show that it is possible to consume THC metabolites to create a false positive...)

Bleh, not that it matters... it should all be legal, regardless...


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