Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   OlympusMyco.com Olympus Myco Bulk Substrate   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags by Magic Bag   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineTamadragon
Stranger
Male

Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 382
Loc: CAN
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Extraction idea *DELETED* [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6529126 - 02/04/07 08:09 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Post deleted by Tamadragon

Reason for deletion: ===



--------------------
~Tama

Peace

I get real lonely

Edited by Tamadragon (02/28/07 02:28 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledeeptraveller
Stranger
Male User Gallery
Registered: 10/21/06
Posts: 102
Loc: russia
Re: Extraction idea [Re: Tamadragon]
    #6530583 - 02/04/07 03:50 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

if the solvent contains water, extract can be muddy (not transparent). The activated coal can excellently replace charcoal...... it is possible to use silicagel yet (focus in that that these substances have very big internal area)

EDTA is safe. it add in food stuffs and cosmetics

if you did not saw this yet and if you have time for this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5489469/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6194866/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

we stay idle for the lack of clean psbn and pscn. if we had them before the beginning of our experiences it would be possible to investigate them prior to the beginning of extraction with those reactants which you want to apply. so it is possible to check up the guesses, and differently we are compelled to search by practical ways.
p\s\very well that you think in this direction..... I shall wait yours tek


--------------------
we makes only that we makes...... this is very amusing idea if you under mushrooms_try this if you are not afraid
I have told it or have thought?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTamadragon
Stranger
Male

Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 382
Loc: CAN
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Extraction idea [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6530693 - 02/04/07 04:18 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the links friend! :werd:


--------------------
~Tama

Peace

I get real lonely

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDMT_Feind
Stranger in astrange land

Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 75
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: Extraction idea [Re: Tamadragon]
    #6566905 - 02/14/07 01:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So how about shooting for a pure psilocybin salt extract rather than the psilocin extract I mentioned before? Wouldn't the salt form of psilocybin be fairly stable and moderately resistant to environmental breakdown? I think it could be done via and acid extraction with EDTA as a chelting agent to prevent the dephosphorylation of psilocybin. Nonpolar components of the mushroom could be removed beforehand with a nonpolar solvent, and any major impurities after the acid extraction could be removed by some filtration process - the pure salt might be crystallized by freezing it out of solution. What does everyone think?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblefastfred
Old Hand
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 6,899
Loc: Dark side of the moon
Re: Extraction idea [Re: DMT_Feind]
    #6566941 - 02/14/07 01:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> What does everyone think?

There is no salt form of psilocybin. Psilocybin is a zwitterion, meaning that it is it's own internal salt.

As far as psilocin goes, I don't think that it would really form a salt either. The charges aren't right. I've never seen any information to make me think that psilocin would form a salt.


-FF

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDMT_Feind
Stranger in astrange land

Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 75
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: Extraction idea [Re: fastfred]
    #6567074 - 02/14/07 02:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Ok... So how about what I said above and simply isolating the psilocybin. Wouldn't psilocybin be relatively stable in pure form... or at least stable enough to isolate, weigh, and dissolve back into solution?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinenijusan
shrub
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/25/04
Posts: 38
Loc: Gulf Islands BC
Last seen: 10 years, 2 days
Re: Extraction idea [Re: DMT_Feind]
    #6585887 - 02/19/07 04:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The blending of fresh Psilocybes into an acidic "smoothie" sounds great for quick dose preparation, even if not for some method of extraction for storage (this jury seems to still be out on the issue).

The gastric juices are strongly basic; would this enhance or detract from absorbing a useful ionic form of either psilocin or psilocybin pretreated with an acidic maceration?

Shee'it, no materials at hand to bioassay a few trials. Have to leave it to others to do the heavy lifting.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTamadragon
Stranger
Male

Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 382
Loc: CAN
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Extraction idea *DELETED* [Re: nijusan]
    #6586516 - 02/19/07 06:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Post deleted by Tamadragon

Reason for deletion: .. ..



--------------------
~Tama

Peace

I get real lonely

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepokermush
Waterboardingmyself toprotect America!
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/17/06
Posts: 475
Loc: Utah
Last seen: 16 years, 1 month
Re: Extraction idea [Re: Tamadragon]
    #6589470 - 02/20/07 01:49 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

After reading about lemon juice extraction, and a suggestion to freeze the mushrooms to break the cell walls, I tried an experiment.

About 55 grams of fresh mushrooms were frozen to -5*F for a couple days. Freezing them turned them jet black. They were then thawed, and blended (with a hand-held blender) with some lemon juice and distilled water.

I consumed this and felt no effects. Zero.

Possibilities:
1) Freezing somehow destroyed the actives.
2) These particular mushrooms were not potent.
3) Something about the blending allowed the actives to oxidize. Having ruptured the cell walls by freezing may been a factor, as the cell walls would normally protect against oxidization.

I lean toward #3.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTamadragon
Stranger
Male

Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 382
Loc: CAN
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Extraction idea *DELETED* [Re: pokermush]
    #6589527 - 02/20/07 02:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Post deleted by Tamadragon

Reason for deletion: --



--------------------
~Tama

Peace

I get real lonely

Edited by Tamadragon (02/20/07 02:15 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepokermush
Waterboardingmyself toprotect America!
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/17/06
Posts: 475
Loc: Utah
Last seen: 16 years, 1 month
Re: Extraction idea [Re: Tamadragon]
    #6589803 - 02/20/07 03:25 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I originally tried this because I was trying to stretch the shrooms into 2 doses. They were frozen whole in a small sealed jar. No other liquid was added before freezing, because I wanted the ice to form long crystals and cut the cell walls, something that is inhibited if they are submersed in a liquid. Maybe a better approach would be to heat it up gently with the lid on until steam expels the air, then freeze.

I added water to aid in blending. The blending still didn't work so well, as the mushroom fibers tended to wrap around the blades rather than get cut. I probably would have been much better to chop them up very fine first.

If I recall correctly, I had about 1 part distilled water to about 1 part lemon juice from the bottle.

I had no stomach upset, but I don't get that when I eat mushrooms anyway. But the frozen shrooms were pretty damn gross, and I normally like the taste of shrooms. It was fear-factoresqe :laugh:

Something I'm interested in is how various processes affect psilocin, psilocybin, and baeocystin(sp), the 3 actives in cubes. There is a lot of dispute about the effects of heat on the actives, but my experiment leads me to believe they are highly susceptible to oxidation.

I suspect that cooking mushrooms in a coating of vegetable oil will damage the cell walls enough to allow digestion, while the oil protects from oxidation. Even if cooking destroys some actives, that may be offset by better digestion/absorption of remaining actives. I think my next batch will be cooked. :smile:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   OlympusMyco.com Olympus Myco Bulk Substrate   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags by Magic Bag   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* tryptamine cubensis --->psilocin hcl extraction uneasyone 8,619 18 10/29/04 12:40 PM
by skullfarmer1979
* Extractions DoDo 1,247 13 03/14/03 01:59 AM
by Pantherina
* Extraction questions invi 2,533 15 10/06/03 05:26 PM
by micro
* Re: extraction gray1 1,750 16 05/05/01 01:01 AM
by darkangel932
* Honey water vs. malt extract solution? cactus 5,163 17 03/01/05 08:42 PM
by kingkc
* mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
JssMthrFcknChrst 53,939 109 07/29/12 02:14 PM
by RogerRabbit
* How do I extract psilocybin with alcohol? Rudiger420 18,658 16 06/18/03 05:48 PM
by Quick Blaze
* Alkaline Water Tweexican 2,990 8 01/10/05 10:02 PM
by derx

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: RogerRabbit, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta
4,566 topic views. 1 members, 1 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 14 queries.