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PTS, anyone know?
    #6518221 - 01/31/07 11:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

So Ive been diagnosed with PTS- Post Traumatic Syndrome. Any suggestions on what I can do to make it go away without taking any prescription drugs. I really don't want to go that far. but apparently I'm wacko now ..Ive been trying to keep on meditating and write my dreams. but its getting worse and worse. I feel so paranoid all the time. does anyone here ever experienced this.


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6518795 - 02/01/07 03:26 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I have had it. How were you diagnosed? Was it by a psychiatrist? You are best to get treatment with a psychologist who specialises in treating ptsd. It is quite treatable with psychological therapies. Though you need a psychologist who specialises because it is a pretty specialised area. I am a psychologist so I mostly treated myself. The meditation was really important. I also used conventional strategies to manage panic attacks (I have posted those strategies in Flav's thread "about me" just recently in this forum). I also did a lot of reading to understand the situation that caused the trauma. And then I challenged erroneous thoughts related to the trauma. Fear can become associated with random stuff that was present during the traumatic event. I went to hospital during the trauma, and afterwards I had panic attacks whenever I entered a room with really bright fluorescent lights(eg walking into the supermarket) - because they had really bright fluorescent lights in the ambulance and at the hospital, or when I just went to see a doctor, or when I heard electronic music (bc I heard some of that during the trauma) - things that are not really threatening normally. So I had to write out the reasons why they were not threatening so my mind didn't automatically go down the 'this is scary' path but down the 'this is neutral, not scary, that's rediculous' path!! You should monitor when you feel anxiety and see if it is just because of an association, and make 'this cue is not scary' thoughts concrete in your mind by writing out why. Another good thing to do is write out the event in detail and read the piece of writing over and over, including all the details you can. It is also helpful to write in to the story 'rational statements' eg. "I now know that I was not dying. I am alive and well'. It can be pretty hard to do on your own, and much easier to avoid because it is scary to think about. It will be much easier to do it with a professional. You do need to address it though. Our mind has a natural tendency to want to think about anxiety-provoking things so that we problem solve, which is good because it's a survival mechanism. (Eg. we act to jump out of the way of a car if it is coming towards us.) But at the same time we don't want to think about really scarey events because it is uncomfortable so you push it out of your mind, or try to. But it is not as easy as for eg. if you want to stop thinking about last nights dinner. Thoughts about the traumatic event will keep spilling into your consciousness until you make an effort to make the thoughts less threatening. Like an over-full cupboard - until you address and reorganise the contents, it won't close for good.
This webpage is pretty good for a description of therapy that works. Good luck. You don't need drugs. It's quite treatable with psych therapies. As I said, best to get a psychologist if you can afford one. I'd be happy to answer any more questions if you have any.

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/information/treatmt/tre_care.jsp


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: enotake2]
    #6519116 - 02/01/07 09:47 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Ill deff. read the page and Ive been diagnose by my psychologist. she said we would treat it for one more week. if not shell send me to the psychiatrist which I dont want. Ive been writing things like you said, been trying different methods. But actually last night I had one dream where he wasnt there just his car and I kind of see that as a lilttle improvement.thanks a lot for your help ^_^


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6523791 - 02/02/07 04:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

ptsd is a very serious disorder.
depending on what your ptsd a result of, you can find treatment, somewhat easily. VA (veterns affairs) for military personel is available. I wouldnt reccomend medication, treatments have proven to be quite effective in reducing the ailments caused by this disorder.


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: mick]
    #6525844 - 02/03/07 11:08 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well what does any disorder stem from? A lack of understanding of the truth, one could say.
Dont put yourself in situations where you feel these things. Dont go to dangerous places.
Look for the truth. Realize that you changed your mind things arent going to be like they used to be, you have to find a new way to navigate it. And drinking alacahol probably wont help help do anything but destroy your brain and body. .01% of the time it helps. i dont know everything people are different
Maybe you should stop taking any drug for a while to get some mental clarity (if you havent already).
I dont think youre going to be able to avoid paranoia, i think thats natural in your situation. The circumstances under which your living here, things you do, things youve done to other people. You make me paranoid too.
Another tip would be look at whats really going on. If someone is talking to you, trying to calm you down, dont scream for help. (maybe this is the part your asking help for). Then I say it goes back to the truth. Just look at people in the eyes and see their real intent. I think you should try to realize that everyone (use yourself as an example) is just trying to do what is right, trying their best, no matter if it may seem otherwise.
I think talking to your dad more would also be a good idea, talk to him about what happened, at different times in life. We have to talk to people that our in our lives, not doing so creates a twisted connection. I think the huge part of the worlds problems are because people get so upset and prideful that they stop talking to someone, just spreading the darkness of the world. Yes people definately need space to understand one another, but ignoration(?) makes things darker, less understading of your problems and the worlds problems. We need more light to reflect from one soul to another.
Remeber to forget.. we have to balance out the chemicals in our brains. By denying and repressing the truth, trying to shove it to the back of your mind, you only hold onto it. Aknowledge any possibility. Remeber the good you had, remeber what you really want. (Maybe none of us know what we really even want).

Maybe down the road, when things have gotten a litte better, you should have an ayahuasca session with a healer. Remeber they say only take it when your sick, well your sick now, right?. But you have to find someone knowledgeable and guided, not just some shroom kid.

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if not shell send me to the psychiatrist which I dont want.


Dont do things that you dont feel comfortable about.
But sometimes its a good idea to try things you normally wouldnt, or dont nessicarily want to. life isnt all just about what we want. when we just do what we want, sometimes the problems arent dealt with. Maybe you should try getting a male psychologist point of view? and also talking to some female peers.. i dont know
I hope you can feel better, knowing you wont see any people or cars that you dont want to see. I think part of you probably wants to see the car and its driver, but a big part of you is scared, so dont deny what you feel. Really. (i could always be wrong, i dont know) These emotions are hard sometimes, but not aknowleding how you really feel just makes them more unbareable. I dont know why emotions are so off from reality... fire on (sagitarius)fire creates them too strong?
peace, good luck & honesty.

edit: i meant to suggest a past life regression also. someone was saying that people may need to go back into their past lives to fix a problem in that life that will fix one here. i dont know if i agree, but...


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When you get confused listen to the music play



Edited by CerebralFlower (02/03/07 10:04 PM)


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #6527969 - 02/03/07 11:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

dude u always confuse me with your indirect comments. I really dont know what you mean by "knowing you wont see any people or cars that you dont want to see. I think part of you probably wants to see the car and its driver," well I can assure you that this disorder comes from my soon to be ex-husband , since he used to beat me up so bad that last time I saw him he tried to literally kill me. he choked me. bit me and I ended up in the hospital with a misplaced rib, and a shocked neck nerve/muscle problem which I still have till today. Its not hard to recognize where its coming from. all I know is that I really dont try to deny it consciously , it is more of an unconscious problem. I haven't been taking anything lately either and an ayahuasca trip wont be a bad idea. I was actually thinking on going to this shamanic place where they do all this kind of rituals. I dont try to stop talking to anyone because of pride or anything like it. thats all creation of your mind. and yea I talked to my dad about it good thing my ex wasnt here when I told him every detail or else he'll probably ended up in the hospital as well. I dont think you know me anymore or ever did. I changed a lot and I dont need to scream at no one unless of course Im in a position where my life depends on it, its totally natural. all I hope is that someday you recover and find the truth about yourself.


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6531167 - 02/04/07 09:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

ummm talking about how your dad would be violent. He needs some anger managment classes/therapy, obviously (serious). and you keep embracing that. its very, very sick how you try to brag about your dad being angry and violent (intimidation), when youre telling someone else they shouldnt be angry or violent. It doesnt have to be like that. Your husband and you both made mistakes, admitdely (actully have you admitted to making any mistakes?), but it doesnt mean you have to try to intimidate them, try to make them fearful. Not talk to eachother about what happened, so you can both be more at ease with it, better yourselves and the world. Understand why these things happened, what were the motivations.
Like you get angry when a girl smiles at your ex husband, and want to end it with him. Like How you attack a girl for hugging him. Dont let yourself be fooled. Youve got a problem. Its cause you are too pasionate. Maybe care too much? Dont understand things all that well.
I cant say other people are better than you, you are nice and different... you know, polite, but maybe overly so to the point where you give too much instead of just caring about yourself. i dont know, admitidley.
i hope you can realize no one tried to kill you, someone was standing in your way, and you bit them, they got you off of them, and they were scared, like they had been for a long time.
its really scary you say you need to scream. theres that panic disorder shining through. If you look at any books definition of panic and anxiety disorders you will see that you have it. ANXIETY FACTS.it is basically being afraid when theres no logical reason to. like being to upset to talk to someone when youre just talking. like biting someone for watching something on tv. like kicking someone in the chest. like slamming the door on them hard enough to cause them to bleed. After these things this "violent ex husband" what did he do back to you???? Freaking out all the time and running off into the night at shows? what for??. Driving down the road, creating so many problems out of nowhere. You didnt understand him either, cause you guys rushed things (for YOUR benefit) and didnt get enough time and space apart (both of your faults) to figure things out. Looking back, moving in together was a bad bad bad idea. You made eachother so insecure you were too scared to even consider one anothers philosophical ideas that were actully nice.
Either way, when things were actully his fault, when he did something wrong, he felt bad (probaly still does). He doesnt try to blame, or intimidate, just to help. THat makes him feel good. Helping, giving care.
talk about indirect comments, look at your web page. makes no sense. you say in love with a different carnation, then get upset when he dont understand it was him? He doesnt know what u meant. You dont even know what you mean, or else you would just write it out. Maybe if you could actully talk to them rationally, in anyway besides a public internet forum, then you would be able to communicate without indirect comments. Help better the world, but sometimes it seems like you dont care about the rest of the world, although i know its not totally true. I know I am not the most aware person, but I would say I know myself fairly well (and have tried harder than most people at this), and could always improve.
Speaking of knowing yourself, you say you have lots of disorders, yet you wouldnt act unreasonably like screaming for no reason? I think I have found more truth about myself than perhaps you, through going through all DIFFERENT sorts of CHALLENGING situations. Changing helps you figure yourself out. Having friends of BOTH genders also does. I can relate to people of my own gender aswell as people of different ones. The truth is everyone i meet tells me im one of the calmest most peaceful people theyve met. I dont wanna fight ever. I dont wanna hurt someone physically or mentally. I try to spread love to everyone (just being positive and wishing good things for people) I try not to cuss. Even when someone treats me unfairly or meanly, i dont get caught up in it(usually). I dont know, I consider both options.
if youre going to respond, take your time. dont just read this and be effected by it and upset (like i was). youll probably have to go back and change your post. read it over to see if it makes sense too. take your time, that way it will be better understood.
no more bad things anymore. just good. positive reguard for someone is real love. the WHOLE world is a family that needs more love. no fairy tale things. no matter how things go, be easy, or atleast try. if you really care, set those peoples hearts at ease, as they try for you too. be safe.
Good luck sorting through the pts, youll make it through.
CARE


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #6534660 - 02/05/07 09:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

lol if u think i bit u u were probly high, drunk and triping dude! u even questioned it when it happend. god the mind can play so many tricks on ppl


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6536440 - 02/06/07 12:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

how come you dont address any of the issues in the above post, except one where you want to make yourself seem like a victim?
Honestly im just trying to help you and youre never going to get/ feel better unless you aknowledge your own faults.
his lips had cuts and bleeding for no reason.
youre right the mind does play tricks
no more of this stupidity. if u wanna discuss something do it in private with him. there are PMs, emails, telephone, im, etc..
anyways, as for you 'pts'... i wouoldnt believe everything they tell you. alot of medical diagnoses / definitions are fueled by greed, of pharecutical companies.
Also research iboga.


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Edited by CerebralFlower (02/06/07 12:53 PM)


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #6539932 - 02/07/07 12:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

good luck basdathea, lots of love always :peace:


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Edited by CerebralFlower (02/07/07 01:08 PM)


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #6547472 - 02/09/07 02:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

much peace and luv to u and to the world brotha'


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6627206 - 03/02/07 09:07 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

how is the PTS going basdathea?
breathing through your stomach should help because it activates the parasympathetic nervous system (calmness and conservation of energy)


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #6632907 - 03/04/07 01:40 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ive been doing great. I been meditating a lot and its paying off. not so much for the pts but for me reaching another level, its so awesome. The pts is the same, I still feel fear when I see you in my dreams.


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6637024 - 03/05/07 11:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

dont fear. i dont want that. Maybe it would help to remeber we never wanted anything bad for eachother, sometimes if you dont give eachother time and space it just gets like that, to the point of misunderstanding and trouble. but the positive force is stonger and overcomes that time. I would like to talk to you outiside of these forums, what do you think


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6637284 - 03/05/07 01:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I got in a crazy accident, a while back, left me dead. After a year long recovery dealing with the pain and then the addiction to the prescriptions, i was left feeling totally fucked up.

The ideas i am going to tell you about is to not focus, on the crazy, paranoid feeling. You got to focus on other things. if you focus and meditate on being paranoid and being feeling crazy, that will only give power to those things. Focus your intentions on, things you want to do, goals so to speak. Stop dealing with the fear and depression, Start focusing on the good things you want. Even if it feels like they are to hard to obtain, each thought and movement towards those goals will leave you feeling fulfilled.


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Re: PTS, anyone know? [Re: basdathea]
    #6641647 - 03/06/07 04:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I would find a good therapist who is skilful working with PTSD and work with him. Also highly recommended would be a combination of Somatic Experiencing (http://www.traumahealing.com/) and Holotropic Breathwork practice (http://www.breathwork.com/). Both are trauma focused and go much deeper than normal therapy does.

Good luck! You can and will get better, you know! :heart:


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