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Tricking your mind into change!
    #6517560 - 01/31/07 08:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I just realized that whenever people say things like "Dont fool yourself into thinking your something your not" or "Dont lie to yourself about who you are" are talking through their asses. Nobody is anything. We all start from nothing and become something.

Ive realized that convincing yourself you are something or have certain skills or whatever will inevitably make you become what you think or gain the skills you tell yourself you have. Its only these negative thoughts you have and thinking about the bad aspects you have that reinforce them.

For example say your useless at talking to girls, your crap at studying, you cant fight for shit, your a bad dancer or any of that crap, its only because you keep thinking about how shit you are in school or how you never have anything to say to women that makes you like that. When you tell yourself you have everything you want you naturally start acting like you do and sooner or later you realize youve gained what you thought you couldnt.

Ive started pretending to myself that I am everything I want to be and I can hardly fuckin believe the fact that in a matter of weeks I gained all the traits Ive wanted to have for years. For years I was always "working" on them with little success but all this time all I had to do was pretend to myself I have these skills and have these traits and its a simple as that. I have them.

I noticed it started off by me automatically acting like someone would if they had these skills or aspects and sooner or later I realized I had gained all these mad skills I thought Id never fully achieve.

Try it. Pick something mad like pretend your a genius in physics and start reading some physics books and youll realize you can learn it 50 times better than you ever imagined. Or whenever you get depressed thinking about shit aspects of your life that you can change only you find it real hard pretend to yourself that those shit aspects are the opposite and turn them into good aspects. First thing that will happen is the bad feelings that come with being depressed will be replaced with feelings of joy because your thinking about your life taking a turn for the better and weirdly enough if you keep it up your life will subconsciously take a turn for the better.

Its hard to explain but its like your mind gets programmed into changing your life to match the false but good description your tricking your mind into believing and sooner or later youll realize that description isnt so false anymore.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #6517619 - 01/31/07 09:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

With that being said I think theres no reason for anyone to be depressed. Even if you have real solid things to be depressed about pretend you and trick your subconscious into believe everythings all good and you will in turn reprogram your subconscious into changing your life in anyway possible to fit the description you give it.

For example. Your starving to death in Africa. Tell yourself you always have food and your subconscious will seek out all the possible ways to find food and in the end even if you have to resort to cannabalism, youll eat. Or youll die. One or the other at least youll have done everything in your power to survive. If your constantly thinking about how shit it is to starve youll probably miss opportunities to eat.

If your locked up in prison and tell yourself your going to be free the next day or your free already your subconscious will be programmed to seek out any possible ways to escape and if there is a possibility youll use to escape.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #6518133 - 01/31/07 11:24 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

all about self suggestion I believe..


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #6518231 - 01/31/07 11:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the mind is a very powerful tool, if used with intent. :mushroom2:

it's surprising to some people when they realize that every passing moment is another chance to turn it all around.

put "maybe tomorrow" and self doubts aside and the possibilities open up wide. it's a wonderful thing to know. thanks for sharing. :thumbup:

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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6518911 - 02/01/07 04:45 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah and its as simple as putting a single thought into your head. I kept thinking because things were shit in the past that they were still shit now I just had to work on them. But it was that very thought that kept thing shit for me. No matter how much you work to solve problems unless you have the right mindset theyll just keep coming back.

Took me a long time to learn that but now that I know im happy I learned the hard way. I dont take it for granted now. I can appreciate living a way better life now. The way I see it you have to experience how shit things can be to appreciate how good they can be.


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    #6523804 - 02/02/07 04:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: Epigallo]
    #6523839 - 02/02/07 05:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

did you see the Vivek video? http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=rB8BdRNVnEI&mode=related&search=

He says we should never put limitations on ourselves. I think thats kind of what you're saying--we hold ourselves back based on our default notions of what we can do. I've found it useful to think that way.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: Epigallo]
    #6523840 - 02/02/07 05:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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jonnyjonjonjon said:
Took me a long time to learn that but now that I know im happy I learned the hard way. I dont take it for granted now. I can appreciate living a way better life now. The way I see it you have to experience how shit things can be to appreciate how good they can be.




:thumbup: So true.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: SoY]
    #6523863 - 02/02/07 05:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Guitar playing was definately one of those things.  I had played for 4 years and then one night there was like a "click" and all I could think was, "Duh! It's fuckin' simple!"  :hairmetal:

Athletics is another area where this is true.  There are so many examples I can site but one that always gets me is when I try to dunk a basketball.  If I think about jumping up there and puting it in, I won't ever get high enough.  But when I don't even think about it, and just do it, I get plenty of hops and it's just too easy.  Same with beer pong!  If you just know you can do something, you will do it!  :teleport:


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #6523893 - 02/02/07 05:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

We lie to ourselves because that helps us when it comes to lying to others:

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The particular sub-area that I'm interested in developing myself has to do with the structure of the mind in terms of biased information flow between the conscious and the unconscious, and the very peculiar and counter-intuitive fact that humans in a variety of situations misrepresent reality to the conscious mind while keeping in the unconscious either a fully accurate, or in any case more accurate, view of that which they misrepresent to the conscious mind. That seems so counter-intuitive that it begs explanation. You would have thought that after natural selection ground away for four billion years and produced these eyeballs capable of such subtlety—color, motion-detection, the details of granularity that we see—you would have perfected the organs for interpretation of reality such that they wouldn't systematically distort the information once it reaches you. That seems like a strange way to design a railroad.

The function of this area of self-deception is intimately connected to deception of others. If you are trying to see through me right now, and if I'm lying about something you actually care about, what you see first, to speak loosely, is my conscious mind and its behavioral effects. You can get some sense of my mood or my affect. The quality of voice might give you stress while trying to deceive you. It is much harder for you to figure out what my unconscious is up to. You have to make a study of my behavior, such as a spouse will do, much to your dismay at times.

One simple logic is that we hide things in our unconscious precisely to hide them better from other people, so the key interaction driving this is deception. I often talk about deceit and self-deception in the same voice because you can't see self-deception properly if you don't appreciate its deceptive possibilities. Likewise, if you talk about deception without any reference to self-deception then you tend unconsciously to limit yourself to consciously promoted deception, and you tend to overlook unconsciously promulgated deception. Each failure to link the two topics limits one's understanding of the topic under consideration.




http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge148.html

Remember that darwinian processes favored fitness, not the ability to perceive reality accurately, or make valid inferences. It should be obvious, given what we see in human history and nature that while honesty is admirable, manipulation is generally more useful.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: SoY]
    #6523896 - 02/02/07 05:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

this is great stuff

can you explain the narrative a little though

like let's say i decide i am great at Spanish.
Well, to decide this I have to override my beliefs that I don't really care about Spanish, because I don't. So even though I don't care about Spanish, I must convince myself I do, and that it is ridiculously easy and I understand it.

So do I just say like a mantra "I'm great at Spanish" or do I just "realize" I'm great at Spanish? It seems like there are good reasons to think I'm great at it but also good reasons to slide by as long as I can make the solid grades. But it's more fun to enjoy Spanish I suppose.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! *DELETED* [Re: leery11]
    #6525179 - 02/03/07 01:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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    #6525679 - 02/03/07 08:07 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

what i like about it is to have that sense of nakedness.
almost as if what you can do in any moment is what you can do altogether.
all the baggage from experiences is like nothing - just memory pattern

but what you can do in any moment is huge, immense.

essentially it is an attitude complex, one part of the attitude open to what is happenning one part rooted in the past moments, one part supporting the future, and the rest carousing through the magical world and world of associations.

this can be honed well, but it is nothing like diamond, more like vapor or spirit or nothing


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Re: the void [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6527486 - 02/03/07 09:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with Jon, the mind is easy to trick. I've tricked it. Here's my story:

I used to be a very quiet, timid kid. I would always care what people thought about me, so I would just avoid expressing myself. Fast forward to high school. Being a generally philosophical person I eventually just thought to myself "Why in the hell do I care what people think? It's just a stupid opinion". And just like that, I stopped caring.I let my hair grow, started socializing more etc...

So now, back home, I'm somewhat known as the weird kid. Which is fine by me, because it beats the hell out of being the unknown normal guy. And people befriend me like every day.

Point is, I just consciously decided to stop being shy and then BAM!


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6528900 - 02/04/07 06:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Remember that darwinian processes favored fitness, not the ability to perceive reality accurately, or make valid inferences. It should be obvious, given what we see in human history and nature that while honesty is admirable, manipulation is generally more useful.




More useful for surviving in chaos, not peace.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #6530571 - 02/04/07 05:48 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent post! The feeling is key. I recently realized that if there is dopamine or or some other neurotransmitter coursing through my body that I can feel as a result of exercise, the right music, a meal, stretching, pleasure, a drug, etc... I find it much easier to visualize. Combining intention with the proper mood (joy, confidence) and visualization can be very powerful.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: Viveka]
    #6535591 - 02/06/07 01:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you beleive? I beleive this principle entirely :grin: I want to ask you, what exactly happens inside your head when you make the mental switch?




Its dead obvious when I make the switch. First effects are I become really happy thinking that Ive got everything I need and I am the way I want to be. You know that stressful feeling you get when you think about how things arent going the way you want them to be. Once I switch from thinking that im stuck with certain limitations to thinking the limits are gone that stressful feeling is replaced with an optimistic and happy feeling. The feeling you get when you achieve something.

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Athletics is another area where this is true. There are so many examples I can site but one that always gets me is when I try to dunk a basketball.



I hadnt exercised in years and considered myself too unfit to do all the exercises in Muay Thai class or run more than 3 miles on the threadmill but right after I convinced myself into thinking I was like Rocky Balboa athletic wise I started pushing myself to do every single exercise and running 3 to 5 miles without even realizing it half the time.

Plus I always shit concentration and memory and thought doing physics in school would be way too hard and it was up until I convinced myself I was a genius and physics was childsplay for me. Not too long after I realized it was easy shit all along only I kept telling myself it was complicated and my mind was too slow for it.


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like let's say i decide i am great at Spanish.
Well, to decide this I have to override my beliefs that I don't really care about Spanish, because I don't. So even though I don't care about Spanish, I must convince myself I do, and that it is ridiculously easy and I understand it.

So do I just say like a mantra "I'm great at Spanish" or do I just "realize" I'm great at Spanish? It seems like there are good reasons to think I'm great at it but also good reasons to slide by as long as I can make the solid grades. But it's more fun to enjoy Spanish I suppose.




I dont repeat sentences to myself. I just use thoughts without words. I observe how im thinking things are at a certain time then I realize how negative that view is and I switch it to the complete opposite. One problem I have is trying to get a view of how I want to be. The best way is to observe all the negative aspects of myself and then I can picture what it would be like to be the oppositive of those negative aspects then I convince myself that I am the opposite of those negative aspects and I get all the happiness associated with changing bad things into good and I automatically start acting as if I did have these good traits instead of bad ones and somehow the bad traits fade away and I gain good ones in their place.

Thats another reason why I think the worse things are for you in the start the better you can make them in the end. You have to see the real shit parts of your life then you know what the opposite of those shit things are so you can jump from one extreme to the other.


The main problem I have with this is I keep slipping back into my negative mindsets. I put myself into a positive state of mind and start acting on it for a day and automatically changing things for the better but I wake up the next morning and have all these debiliting negative thoughts that I used to have. I have to struggle to be consistent with it or else I sink back into that negative mindset.

I havent been doing it long at all but its insane the effects its having. Ive made more progress in a month with positive thoughts than I usually would have in years with that negative mindset. Its becoming a habit now though. I wake up in the mornings with a driving force to improve things.

Something that came naturally with thinking positive about myself is thinking positive about other people. I used to see people as having all the same bad sides and problems as I did and it gave me a negative view of people sometimes but now I naturally view everyone else with respect. I view other people as nearly godlike. Its crazy. Probably because im thinking as positively as I can and viewing myself as godlike.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #6535647 - 02/06/07 02:14 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

At the very least thinking like this is a good anti depressant. Why take pills when you can use your mind alone? You cant be depressed without having negative thoughts in the first place. If you have real concrete problems to be depressed about what have you got to lose by convincing yourself you dont? Only the depression itself. In my opinion its alot easier dealing with your problems without being sad and depressed about them at the same time.

Even if your problems are unsolvable by keeping a negative mindset about your problems theyre not going to change but switching to a positive mindset at least youll have your subconcious on your side doing everything possible to find ways around the problem whether its possible or not. In the case of most people though their problems are solvable.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: SoY]
    #6535759 - 02/06/07 03:12 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Guitar playing was definately one of those things.  I had played for 4 years and then one night there was like a "click" and all I could think was, "Duh! It's fuckin' simple!"  :hairmetal:

Athletics is another area where this is true.  There are so many examples I can site but one that always gets me is when I try to dunk a basketball.  If I think about jumping up there and puting it in, I won't ever get high enough.  But when I don't even think about it, and just do it, I get plenty of hops and it's just too easy.  Same with beer pong!  If you just know you can do something, you will do it!  :teleport:




HAHAHA I love how you said beer pong man. I tried to stay away as I had preconceived experiences of being bad. Except one day it just clicked that when I did not try at all I made every shot. I had not yet made the connection to expand this idea to other areas of life. This seems to be the only one that clicked immediately. I think with playing the bass guitar too.

So I saw all this in my revelations trip, here is what I wrote:

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I also saw that by truly knowing something it would occur. The most extreme example of confidence if you will, knowing without a single doubt, one could do anything. This is almost impossible for humans though because of the doubts we have created and the way we have categorized things. We have gone down the wrong path, and today’s world is so far from what it should be. By using language and placing things in categories we see things as separate now. Language is so inadequate. Nothing is separate. Everything is the same thing.




Thus, when we just trick our minds to know. I usually do it with a clarity and do not actually think anything. There is an intent but it is far behind the nothingness that fills me when I *click*.


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Re: Tricking your mind into change! [Re: ck10n3]
    #6535775 - 02/06/07 03:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, this post feels really powerful to me. I think it should be stickied for a bit.

I am sure you all have watched The Secret, there are a few threads about it that were on here a while ago. The Secret is about the power of thought, the law of attraction, visualization and your inalienable, supernatural right to have, do and be whatever your heart dreams of; it is pure enlightenment. I don't have a direct link to it, but I know it is out there on torrents etc.


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Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe.

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