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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6460784 - 01/14/07 11:57 PM (17 years, 16 days ago)

yea, having just now proof read my respnse I can clearly see I am high, and yes Fireworksm I got released from prison today and it has been most glorious of a day.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6460819 - 01/15/07 12:09 AM (17 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6461858 - 01/15/07 11:28 AM (17 years, 16 days ago)

Look at how much blacks have changed. Look at some of the black musicians of our past, the great leaders (Mr. King) and how they managed to befriend (some) white people and actually reduced their oppression by a large margin. Why have they changed so much from the 60's and 70's to this point? If you remember, they acted and spoke much differently. I was around for this, were you? What could have possibly changed such an enourmous population so quickly?

That's why I look to the culture definer- music. I've seen the transition myself, a black friend of mine, Isaac, was actually a white man. Yeah he had black skin, but he was white. He didn't listen to music much, but was slowly listening to more and more rap.

As our neighborhood grew blacker, the influence of his black friends combined with the glorified life rap music proposed, he started making cash on the side dealing small time drugs. This wasn't him at all. Then I noticed that he started calling his friends "Nigga" and avoiding complex language. Then he started with the dats, ain'ts, and who be hes, and before long I heard him say you don't know who I'm is.

Now he's "black" as ever and wont even speak normally to even me. He's moved on from dealing small time weed to trying coke and this past week he was so fucked up he hit a truck while turning into an intersection.

I think it started as a small snowball, and for one reason or another, the music industry decided to make it popular (they have that power) and slowly tumbled, grew larger and became more of a mainstream culture, it justified the lifestyles of those who may have not been to proud of it, and even moved on to the influental white teenagers, who just act ridiculous. Theres no way that all these wiggers talked like this from birth. There's no way they would be on the streets talking about how "dey's hard" in a little white suburban area if they had lived during the Beatle's age.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #6462076 - 01/15/07 12:47 PM (17 years, 16 days ago)

Fo real /do'es he axe you


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #6466361 - 01/16/07 03:19 PM (17 years, 15 days ago)

Interesting story.
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beatnicknick said:As our neighborhood grew blacker, the influence of his black friends combined with the glorified life rap music proposed



Yes, I think the music is an influence. But it is far less of an influence than what you see as acceptable within your social circles. Notice that the change starts when his social circle changed so that his new peers were accepting of crime, violence, and dis-education.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: pokermush]
    #6467031 - 01/16/07 06:17 PM (17 years, 15 days ago)

Yeah, I still really don't think it's the music. Mostly because the whole argument about "The music is ruining the children" has come up in most socio-economic strata at one time or another, and yet there is clearly something going on specifically with African Americans that transcends this.

Besides, on a more practical level, what East Asian rap does exist, along with a great deal of Latino music, does glorify crime and the criminal lifestyle. Yet we just don't see the same incarceration rates in those groups as we do among African Americans.

I started reading about this in my free time after this thread started, since I really do think this is a problem. I study economics, so most of my side-reading comes from there.

Interestingly enough, I did find that Harvard Economist Roland Fryer, who has studied the problem at length from several angles, did actually produce a result that pointed at "black culture".

Specifically, he was able to find data supporting the idea that, in a public school setting, black students who strive to achieve in school are penalized for it by their peers. They're frequently put-down for "acting white" and told that they need to choose between doing well in school and having friends.

The really interesting part, however, is that this effect goes away in situations where the black students "get outside the neighborhood". He found that black students in wealthy neighborhoods, or attending private schools, didn't face the same penalization for achievement. Essentially "the neighborhood" was creating the problem, and once removed blacks performed as well as whites.

Anyway, you can read his article about it here:
Acting White. I thought it was pretty interesting, especially since I didn't expect "black culture" to be part of the findings at all.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Economist]
    #6467367 - 01/16/07 07:41 PM (17 years, 15 days ago)

Has anyone considered that more blacks grow up without Fathers, father figures and strong male role models, that set different examples for a way of life, different from the music glorifying a criminal way of life, for them to ultimately follow.

Any thoughts there?

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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6467464 - 01/16/07 08:03 PM (17 years, 15 days ago)

That's because all the fathers are in prison, so the system doesn't allow for many black children to grow up in as nearly a stable environment as most white children.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Ravus]
    #6467499 - 01/16/07 08:12 PM (17 years, 15 days ago)

I think thats the most probable explanation for why blacks seem to be more influenced by rap music glorifying a criminal way of life, then whites, asians or latinos are by it.

It's a viscous circle indeed.

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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6470601 - 01/17/07 06:17 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

Daniel Patrick Moynihan stated this back in the 60s as a prediction.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6476092 - 01/19/07 10:55 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

O.K. so assuming your hypothesis is correct...

What beneficial purpose, if any, does this viscious cycle serve for the system?

Did the system place this cycle in play to reap some benefit to itself, or did the Negro evolve into this cycle themselves or on their own?

Again, who is the most responsible for the current condition of the negro in America?


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6476364 - 01/19/07 12:15 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Closed looped systems exist in many places. Weather people put themselves into them, external forces do, is what is being debated here regarding the disproportionate amount of blacks in prison.

How does a black kid raised in a pro gangsta life style by his peers without a Father or Father figure, acting as a strong role model and guide for another way, break the loop?

Clearly, jail time isn;t much of a deterrent and I wouldn;t be surprised when so many blacks see so many of their friends and family members going in and out of jail as a way of life. It is the way of life for so many of them, as opposed to some of us who have had strong environmental influences and examples that tell us, it is not the way or where you ever want to end up and show us other ways to follow.

I think poor black people conglomerating together into little villages they call hoods, then glamorize with bling, rims and the power of guns, all paid for by criminal activity, is only helping to keep the closed loop system alive and thriving. I think black women being recklessly irresponsible with getting pregnant by any looser who flashes them a grill or prison tat, counting on welfare to support their kids leaving rap music and Iceman on the corner who steals cars for a living to raise them, is only helping to keep the closed looped system alive and thriving.

Here is how I see the big picture. I think whites were definitely a strong external power that helped to set up the closed loop system through initial acts like segregation, and racial profiling when it came to arresting and prosecuting people for criminal activity.

After that, I think its been up to blacks to recognize the viscous cycle that resulted and bust themselves out of it. Many have and are doing very well for themselves and are great producers to society. Many of them go back to help the others break free from it. I think progress is slowly being made.

So much equal opportunity and exposure to positive role models for them is out there now, that regardless of how it got started, at this point, I say, they only have themselves to blame.

Who is to say that the types that move in and out of jail through the turn style haven't developed some sick idea that being something to fear is the way to empower yourself instead of being educated with a decent honest job with something of constructive value to offer society.

People have commented on how stupid so many are because they set themselves up to get caught so easily. Does anyone think that for them, its not stupid, but rather smart and cool to show others how BAAAAD Ass they are because they've done hard time for something BAAAD.

The psychology behind how all of this came to be is warped to the core and I think it started with segregation, unequal opportunity and racial profiling after slavery was abolished and just snow balled from there.

Thats not an excuse to me, for why a disproportionate amount of blacks are in prison. They all know the laws, penalties for breaking them and have a conscious if they choose to exercise it. It's just an explanation for how I see that it has come to be this way. It doesn't have to be that way either.

Its as if they refuse to accept the fact that they are now free and have been enslaving themselves to their own idiot influences.

Many white people are mentally enslaved by many other types of closed looped systems generated and kept alive by their own idiot influences, too. I only focused on the black because thats what this topic is about.

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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6476406 - 01/19/07 12:28 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Excellent analysis.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6499718 - 01/26/07 03:35 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Black males’ low achievement could hurt economy
Lawmakers encouraged by Deasy’s reforms
Thursday, Jan. 25, 2007

Prince George’s County’s recent economic prosperity could be jeopardized unless African-American males, who make up a sizable portion of the future workforce, make greater strides in academic achievement, business advocates and educators say.

African-American males make up 39 percent of the county’s public school population, or nearly 52,000 students, and they have among the lowest rates of academic achievement.

These advocates say black boys need more focused support from the school system to be effective workers when they graduate from high school or are ready to attend college.

‘‘We are going to start seeing ourselves regressing [economically] if we don’t ensure African-American males are being educated in a way that would make them productive and effective members of the workforce and society in general,” said Orlan Johnson, a member of the Board of Regents for the University of Maryland.

‘‘You&#8217;re either growing or you’re dying.”

Johnson and other advocates say that the situation in Prince George’s includes some hopeful signs.

Standardized test scores have been climbing, albeit slowly for African-American males, and Schools Superintendent John Deasy is implementing a long list of reforms designed to aid all struggling students at all grade levels.

‘‘If you can start to make a difference there [in Prince George’s] you’ll start to make a difference overall,” Johnson said.

A state report released in December 2006 said black males need some of the most focused help that the state could offer to ensure they succeeded in school.

The report’s recommendations mirrored some of Deasy’s reforms, including making more rigorous courses accessible to black males and putting culturally sensitive teachers in classrooms to teach them. Another recommendation, same sex classrooms for African-American males, is similar to one of Deasy’s proposals for smaller learning communities that he has pitched to the county school board.

The report was produced after three years of research by a 49-member task force in conjunction with the Maryland State Department of Education.

Rushern Baker, an education consultant and task force member, said Deasy’s approach offered hope for black males after years of stagnation.

‘‘It&#8217;s a good news, bad news situation,” Baker said. ‘‘The bad news is... [African-American males] are the population that doesn’t appear to be achieving at any great rate. The good news is we have a superintendent who understands this. He gets it.”

Johnson particularly praised Deasy’s reforms, which include putting the strongest and most effective teachers in the schools that struggled the most to increase student achievement. Providing greater access to college-level Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate programs, another of Deasy’s reforms, was also a sign that things were turning around for African-American males.

The report says African-American males were still vulnerable because they were not achieving as quickly as either African-American females or other racial subgroups.

Those concerns still hold in Prince George’s, despite the recent progress.

On the High School Assessments, which are required by state law for graduation, black males passed at lower rates than black females and almost every other racial subgroup.

Of African-American males who took the algebra exam in the 2006 school year, for example, only 37.7 percent passed, almost 10 percent fewer than African American females.

Asian males passed the exam 71 percent of the time, and white males passed it 74.9 percent of the time.

While these rates of passing are low for black males, they have increased over the past four years and showed their largest increase in the 2006 school year.

Johnson said that if poor performance of African American males in school continued, it could mean that county businesses could have to go outside the state to bring in workers to compensate.

‘‘Or it could slow down businesses coming here,” Johnson said. ‘‘One of the first things they [businesses] want to know is what kind of workforce they’re going to have.

‘‘If they can’t find it here there are other jurisdictions that would be able to provide that.”

Training the county’s workforce to ensure Prince George’s holds on to its economic development gains is critical, said M.H. Jim Estepp, head of the Prince George’s Greater Business Roundtable.

He said the focus should be on all struggling students, and not just on African American males.

‘‘We want to lift these kids up,” Estepp, a former county council member said. ‘‘There are many in the business community and in the academic field that workforce development is a high, if not the No. 1 priority in the county.”

E-mail Guy Leonard at gleonard@gazette.net.

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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Luddite]
    #6508607 - 01/29/07 02:19 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

While I do believe whites have an unfair advantage, it doesn't mean the blacks in prison don't belong there simply because they are black. Obviously they committed a crime serious enough to deem prison. If blacks or any other race wants to stay out of prison, stop breaking the law.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: House]
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