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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6512199 - 01/30/07 12:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Well that came from Bush himself.  I don't think he looks at it like we as in all of us.  I think what he ment by saying "WE are addicted to oil"  his family and buddies are addicted to oil.




or the money therein :rolleyes:

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Shroomism]
    #6512210 - 01/30/07 12:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That organization is called the Free Market. If people would not buy SUVs, there would not be an incentive to make and market them.

Instead of blaming the government for not impeding our freedom to buy gas hogging vehicles if we so desire, I think we should invest our time educating the public about the benefits of alternative energy.

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: ApJunkie]
    #6512212 - 01/30/07 12:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Hemp is the future.

Anyway Rooster, I tried to start the revolution, but there just wasn't enough interest. People seemed too apathetic with "oh well it sucks but that's just the way it is" mentality. But that was years ago. Maybe by now Bush and cronies have disenfranchised enough people..


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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Srirachi]
    #6512216 - 01/30/07 12:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Those people are sheeple. The consumer, the one stuck in the reality of what their lives are. As far as they see it, they only have a few choices, Mini van, SUV, or mass transit. The corporations are the ones that mold reality, the consumer only has choices. Rarely do we have easily available multiple choices. The first hydrogen powered car was made in the 70's. The corporations, pushed back it's development because they already invested so much towards oil. They make the choices, we pick the flavor.

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6512226 - 01/30/07 12:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Henry Ford designed his first model-T to run on vegetable oil. Many of the plastic parts in the prototype car were actually made from hemp. That guy knew what he was doing.
Hemp oil is probably the cleanest and most efficient form of fuel we know, but the synthetic corporations couldn't compete with such a superior product that can't be regulated and milked like they would like.. hence why it is illegal, and hence the world dependency on oil. Pre-1930s, the number one cash crop in the WORLD was Hemp. It was used in everything. And is still useful for everything. And would go a long way, today.. to helping solve a lot of the world's problems.


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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Shroomism]
    #6512266 - 01/30/07 12:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well check this shit out:

http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2007/01/uscc_readies_bi.html

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U.S. Sustainable Energy Corp. announced that they have completed the assembly of their new reactor system located at the USSEC Bioenergy plant and fuel production facility in Natchez, Mississippi.




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The Rivera Process... is a modified pyrolytic process with hydrolysis. The new reactor is capable of producing 6000 gallons of biofuel daily, producing five gallons of fuel from each bushel of soybean stock -- a conversion ratio three times higher than the ratio for traditional biodiesel.




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USSEC claims that it is able produce biofuel at a cost of less than $1 per gallon, compared with about $2.50 for most biodiesels on the market (prices assume soybeans cost $6 per bushel). And the USSEC cost includes production of biogas and carbon ash.




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The heating value of the USSEC biofuel is 128,000 BTU/gal, while the heating value of biodiesel is typically about 117,000 BTU/gal and petroleum diesel is about 130,000 BTU/gal. For comparison, the heating value of typical regular unleaded gasoline is 114,200 BTU/gal, premium gasoline is 116,200 BTU/gal and jet fuel is 122,200 BTU/gal.





There's a lot more info in the article, but it still doesn't say exactly what this company's fuel is. I have a feeling it's biobutanol, but I'm not really sure. If they mean what they say it's going to be insane for the biofuels market. They say you can run it in ICE's with a 50/50 petrol blend without modifications.

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: DNKYD]
    #6512278 - 01/30/07 12:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty sweet.
Only except hemp is about ten times better than soybeans in every way.
Legalize it.


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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Shroomism]
    #6512284 - 01/30/07 12:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Very true. I want to move to Canada and farm hemp. I've heard the market for exported Canadian hemp is skyrocketing.

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: DNKYD]
    #6512290 - 01/30/07 12:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

ganja farmers hate hemp farmers up north. Ruins their crops of sensimillia.

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6512669 - 01/30/07 02:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

When cannabis is legalized commercial growing will probably be done indoors SOG or ScrOG style anyways.

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Re: A different way to "destroy" the Middle East? [Re: DNKYD]
    #6512694 - 01/30/07 02:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, more specifically any country we import petroleum from. After reading this article from the NY Times I got to thinking.

If you don't feel like reading the whole article basically to sum it up a government lab that researches renewable energy gets only $200 million a year. At the end of the article it says:

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“Our budget is nothing compared to the price of a B2 bomber or an aircraft carrier,” Rob Farrington, manager of the lab’s advanced vehicle systems group, said.




This is true. A B-2 costs $2.2 billion. Even a little F22 costs $300 million.

Couldn't we hold off on making just one B2 Bomber and put that money into sustainable energy research? Just put an insane amount of money into it and get the whole country energy independent ASAP. That would somewhat screw over all countries that export petroleum to us, including the Middle East.

What do you think?




that would be in nice in theory, but as already stated, those with power want to keep it.


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