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Offlineelmanimal
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History Channel San Pedro
    #6486550 - 01/22/07 04:48 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

On that show on the History channel digging for the Truth on some such name they are doing a San Pedro ritual. A woman is doing the ceremony. I hadnt been paying attention but it seems the show is about Religous ceremonies using the drug.

They also poured liquid tobacco down their noses.

Kind of interesting if anyone wants to watch.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: elmanimal]
    #6486614 - 01/22/07 05:03 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Its over now, I only caugt about the last 15 minutes. Basically it was about how a South American culture (Inca?) controled their entire populace with the use of hallucinagenic drugs.

He participated in a ceremony with a shaman. I wish I would have caught the whole show. Anybody seen this one before?


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: elmanimal]
    #6486649 - 01/22/07 05:10 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Yea I caught the show last night. He was visiting the Peruvian city of Chavin. What was interesting is that this city had no army, it stayed protected from invasion because of the cult-like activities that took place there. I found it a bit annoying how uninformed the host, and the archaeologists, were on the use of san pedro. It was said repeatedly that the hallucinogen was used to control the population. It was as if they were saying that they kept the population in a drug induced state and that simply isnt the case. The host did partake in the san pedro tea but it must of been a very mild trip for him based on his description. Ive never used san pedro, but I think I can gauage its effects.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: stilltsie]
    #6486731 - 01/22/07 05:31 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

yeah i just watched it. If i were that shaman i would have given him a light dose too. Imagine if he started spewing crazy shit from his mouth in a mindfuck induced state. But yes i found it pretty interesting about the natives with the culture centered around San Pedro and Virola snuffs. Sounds like my lifestyle, but with marijuana and mushrooms.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: 2859558484]
    #6486745 - 01/22/07 05:35 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

What was the program called do you recall?


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #6486756 - 01/22/07 05:40 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

'digging for the truth' it seems.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #6486955 - 01/22/07 06:59 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

It should have been called "The biggest pile of shit that was ever put on TV".

This guy was talking about a South American civilization from 2500 years ago and he must have used the words "mind control" 50 times and the word "brainwashed" at least half that much.

He made a point at the beginning of the show to point out that this cultural mecca did not have any visible defenses and then went on for the rest of the show saying that the reason they didn't need any defenses or military was because the Priests ran the show and had everyone brainwashed and under mind control because they did San Pedro rituals.  He called them a CULT. (His emphasis, not mine)

He might as well just have said that people are basically vicious, hostile beings by nature and the only way they can live a peaceful, spiritual life is to be under the "Control" of some hoodoo magicians.

He went on to make fun of their sculptures because they depicted mucus coming from the noses of the half Human-half Cougar faces they had chiseled because an expert told him that that's what happens to people who imbibe SP.

I got excited when I saw what this show was about at first, but I spent the last 40 minutes or so just sitting there dazed with my mouth hanging open.

Can't wait to hear what he has to say if he ever does a show on Rome and the Vatican....:smirk:


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: VirgilKane]
    #6486985 - 01/22/07 07:10 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Oh, and about his trip...

He was describing the psychological terror that the priests in charge put the people through to keep them under control.  He made a specific point of saying how their underground tunnels had absolutely no means of light in them because there were no smoke marks on the ceiling.  He said that making the people drink SP and then making them walk through these tunnels in pitch black to get to the ultimate destination of seeing their God or Idol with the roaring sound of water going through the underground channels they had made specifically for that purpose had the ultimate brainwashing effect.

then, after the asshole drank, he locked himself in a dark bathroom with the shower on making sure there was absolutely no light coming in and stated that he could see everything perfectly because of the SP.  I thought "Finally!  this jerk is gonna change his tune and stop putting this spin on these people and their life."  But nope, kept right on talking about mind control and brainwashing...

He's not even a fucking archaeologist.  Just a pretty boy, talking head dressed up like Indiana Jones...:tongue:

I told my Daughter it reminded me of a D.A.R.E. documentary.


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"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: VirgilKane]
    #6486988 - 01/22/07 07:11 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

i just watched that with my dad, it kinda sucked because it made san pedro look like a cultish brainwashing thing. it was pretty cool that the main guy accually tried it though.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: VirgilKane]
    #6486990 - 01/22/07 07:11 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Man, I'm still pissed off about the spin this show put on this culture!

What fucking century are we living in anyway?:crazy:


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"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6487005 - 01/22/07 07:16 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Phish_Dude said:
it kinda sucked because it made san pedro look like a cultish brainwashing thing. it was pretty cool that the main guy accually tried it though.




Or hypocritical after all he had to say about it.

Remember, he's a superhero, daredevil documentarian!! He'll brave all these primitive tortures
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It's good for ratings....


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
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"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: VirgilKane]
    #6487099 - 01/22/07 07:52 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

This makes me sick. I used to watch that show all of the time. I can't believe that they would slander a culture like that. Any true historian would not have done this.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: VirgilKane]
    #6487104 - 01/22/07 07:54 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

When the old woman bought the cactus from the market, she made sure to buy the San Pedro that was old and scared for potency reasons......anyone back this up?


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6487161 - 01/22/07 08:10 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

There were alot of interesting items for sale at the shop where the sp was purchased. I know discussion of vendors is a nono but are there places online to buy the products I saw for sale? Im not talking about sp,and other entheogens, im referring to the commercial items that were being offered. Cant seem to recall what any of them were...

At any rate, this guy is a complete joke - I have seen a few others of him. Hes got a new episode coming up where he discovers Atlantis..


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: Ekstaza]
    #6487170 - 01/22/07 08:13 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

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Ekstaza said:
This makes me sick. 




You and me both, Brother.

I mean I just really can't understand this. His smugness while ridiculing these people's way of life not giving any consideration to spirituality... :nonono:

It was almost like he was describing Jim Jones and Guiana...


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"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


Edited by schapper (01/22/07 08:19 PM)


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6487181 - 01/22/07 08:17 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

I laughed pretty hard the first time I saw that show. It was not the same episode, but it was just as pathetic.

I love that guys look. One episode I watched he was hiking up a mountain in Indiana jones attire, wearing sandals. What a phony.

Also they dont reveal anything new about anything on that show. Though they like to make it look and sound like they are discovering new and amazing things.

Two thumbs down.

I saw the same episode aswell. I guess that show just always sucks.
Next week they are making it look like they are going to discover atlantis. That should annoy some people by the end of the show.


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: VirgilKane]
    #6487209 - 01/22/07 08:27 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

this is a bit off from this actual show but if anyone is interested on a decent documentary on shamanism here is a link. this guy has done a few videos. some of you have probly seen it but if you havnt it is most definitely worth the watch. its primarily on ayahuasca though.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8714482344821425610


Edited by Proskier (01/22/07 08:32 PM)


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Re: History Channel San Pedro [Re: Proskier]
    #6487225 - 01/22/07 08:31 PM (17 years, 28 days ago)

different strain of tabacco probably


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