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OfflinePsionicMyconid
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2nd grow... why do my jars smell?
    #6460414 - 01/14/07 09:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't notice this last time but my jars smell... almost like fermentation. I don't understand, this is day 6 and no sign of any growth. You can't smell them far away but if you get up close to the lids and sniff it's pretty rank. Should I just kick back and wait some more for growth? I followed all sterilization procedures in the basic cake teks.

Does anyone have any ideas? Am I just being overly paranoid?


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460469 - 01/14/07 09:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Anytime you smell a jar and its "Pretty rank" it is more than likely time for dumpster tek,Sorry to break the news but you may want to start looking ahead to your next project,the only time I smell anything rank is when I let rye soak before it gets to the PC,If it is supposed to me growing mushroom mycelium and it smells like anything but mushroom mycelium than its a good chance that bacterial contamination has claimed them already and its too late to save them,Better luck next time,we live to grow another day


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460483 - 01/14/07 09:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

:frown:
I have nine jars and they all smell. Idk I don't have any idea what I did wrong. I just wish I knew so I don't do it again.


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460499 - 01/14/07 09:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What are they,Wbs,rye,etc.. how did you prepare them ??


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460501 - 01/14/07 09:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

maybe u messed up somewhere in the sterilization dept.


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Shroomtastic420]
    #6460531 - 01/14/07 10:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i've noticed a smell before too... using WBS ... still colonized fine though..... in my opinion wbs has a smell after soaking it no matter what..... a little pungent may be ok..... anything smelling too rancid should be considered a throw away though


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: boogertool]
    #6460594 - 01/14/07 10:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's a BRF cake with verm. I prepared them following PF tek with canner because I have no pressure cooker at the moment. I put them up high on shelves to get the most heat in the room but my dad told me he has a chick warmer a couple minutes ago so we're gonna whip that out and see if it has the right temp range for incubation on my next try. Yeah it definatly smells like fermentation.... nasty alcoholish.


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460610 - 01/14/07 10:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

If your dad is cool with you growing than I say you should get a pc and get to work and really growing some mushrooms :hehehe:  Clickie my Sig and read it and fallow the tek that it leads to,you will grow more mushrooms than you need,hey maybe your dad will eat them with ya  :rockon:


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460639 - 01/14/07 10:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

my dad is a cool guy. the thing is he doesn't want any and I'm not getting help from him in the money dept. I was actually just showing him your tek and saying "this is what I would do if I had a pressure cooker".
I haven't gotten a lot of hours at work lately. :-( I have a bunch of syringes I bought with birthday money but still need a fish heater to make the incubator. (after christmas sales kicked ass for big rubbermaid things) Maybe his chick heater will work but I don't know how big it is and he's getting it in the morning.... anyway is that rye tek of yours possible with a canner instead of a PC? I'll get one but it will take a month before i have the extra cash for it.


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460670 - 01/14/07 10:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

a canner is a pc ..... but a pc isnt always a canner..... $100 at walmart for a presto canner/cooker


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460672 - 01/14/07 10:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

1st off I have to say that credit for that tek goes to the man who wrote it,his mane is Magash,I just put it in my Sig because it was the 1st tek that worked for me and helped me actually put everything into perspective as to what actually needed to be done to get out little friend to grow,I do intend on writing a tek of my own one of these days but it could be a while seeing as by the time I remember to take pics I always am already done doing everything

To help answer your questions though,you can scrap the incubator,I did and I actually like incubating at room temperature better besides it clears up allot of room seeing as how big my tit would have to be to holed all the jars I like to make at once,You do need a PC to do grains,It can be done with fractional sterilization but its so hit and miss that you will be much happier just saving up for a PC


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460687 - 01/14/07 11:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I went all out and just coughed up the money for an AA when I needed a PC but I have heard good things about this one and its quarter of the price and should be able to get you started out on the right foot http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2625289 they chances of them actually having it at your local walmart are slim to none but if you print out the page and bring it there to the customer service desk you could make them order it for you,it may be a bit of a pain in the ass but for the headaches you will save yourself compared to trying to grow without a PC it will be well worth it.Plus at least its big enough that you can do a bunch of jars,the only pressure cookers I have seen for sale in real stores without ordering online are usually so small that they wont even fit qt jars and if they do they will only do a few at once


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460709 - 01/14/07 11:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

yeah thats cheap.... i bought the same one and paid 97+tax .... aint thatta bitch.... works great.... but yeah they're hard to find in the stores...... walmart considers those a seasonal item... prolly why its on sale


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: boogertool]
    #6460790 - 01/14/07 11:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yea seasonal I'm sure,there are like 2 weeks out of the yr when you can find jars around here and I will be walking to the checkout with like 4 cases of quarts during that time cause once I buy them all they don't get more for a yr


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460849 - 01/15/07 12:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

thanks a lot blutjager. I'm printing it up now.. if i can't get it at sale price at least I can put it on layaway. I hate shopping at walmart but alas sometime you have to. What time of year do they sell the jars and whatnot usually?


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6460877 - 01/15/07 12:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

There is only one walmart that has them by me and they only have them in the summer,sometimes the grocery store has them by seasonal items in the summer as well,


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6464580 - 01/16/07 12:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm glad I didn't throw them away. I see growth all over.. looks like myc. The smell isn't as bad today. On a side note, my dad came out with a PC this morning he got on his wedding day still in the box never opened. I looked in the book and it was 1976. lol I love it. It's small, 4 quarts but doesn't look too old to be unsafe. I think by 1976 they had the safety precautions in place but please correct me if I'm wrong. This will get me started anyway. :smile:
Thanks again everyone, it looks like I just got too paranoid.


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Re: 2nd grow... why do my jars smell? [Re: PsionicMyconid]
    #6484201 - 01/21/07 08:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

well 6 of the 9 were contaminated and were thrown out. The others are half colonized but now that i have a PC I am setting up a new batch tonight with finch seed. Trying a different mushie this time.


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