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*Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :)
    #648289 - 05/27/02 04:05 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Heyas.. found these today after taking a day off from uni to go shroom hunting They take a while to bruise but they certainly look very similar to a couple of the pics bluemeanie posted. If these are the real deal then does anyone know the dosage difference between these and our typical psilocybe cubensis? I ask with some sense of urgency as we plan to trip pretty soon
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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648291 - 05/27/02 04:07 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

i couldnt tell ya either way but the resemblance is amazing...

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648388 - 05/27/02 05:01 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Do you live in Australia?
If so, then yes, they are probaly the same mushrooms that bluemeanie found. The only thing that concerns me is that these look a lot like pictures of Galernias that I've seen, and we all know Galernias are deadly. The thing that makes me think they NOT are Galernias is the extreme bluing reaction. These definately look like keepers.
Wait for further conformation from more knowledgable before eating these guys!
If they are one of those crazy aussie mushroom species that I can't remember the name of, then the potency is a lot more than that of cubies.

Hang in there, wait for further identification.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648671 - 05/27/02 08:16 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Were the mature ones wavy capped? And were the mature ones more of a belted-colored cap?

The smaller, inmature ones look almost identical...See what the more knowlageable guys say.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648766 - 05/27/02 10:20 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I'm almost 100% sure those are psilocybes, congrats !
Bluemeanie ?

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: MAIA]
    #648785 - 05/27/02 10:37 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Hey man
Hope this is urgent enough....but yes those are MAGIC MUSHROOMS! We find those same ones here in New Zealand infact I was just picking some identical to that this morning. For shrooms of that type, a good dosage (if you actually want a decent trip) is about 10 average sized shrooms, for something not toooo full on.
But if its your first time or you are just wanting to 'test' them, try 5, cause taking 10 of those buggers although fun can be too much for some (you will not die though).
But 5 will usually not do anthing more than a bit of a buzz...you try 15 and *whoops* you're in the ELECTRIC NEVERENDING, a neon landscape filled with TWERPSIZZLES and MRENZVILLES! WEEEEEEEE!

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648794 - 05/27/02 10:49 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

They sure look like cubies to me!


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Jammer]
    #648833 - 05/28/02 12:04 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

heeh. thanks for the help everyone! needless to say we TRIPPED HARD! those are soooo damned potent. We took approx 25grams fresh each.. the most INTENSE trip of my life. Wasn't very productive though.. I had anxiety on the comeup because noone had replied by the time we decided to dose, but based on my knowledge and the very obvious bluing we proceeded.. so I had to take some xanax to calm myself down a bit. Worked a charm..
now to go read some metaphysics while im still in that higher state

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648871 - 05/28/02 01:08 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Definately Ps.Subaeruginosa - interesting characteristics too with the gills ascending toward the stem so aggressively - classic Subaeruginosa!
ten shrooms?? That would blow you head off!! Which is a good thing!! Great shrooms but always respect these babies or they will make you know it I ate three and a half grams dry once (cubensis dosage) and i lost touch with reality completely - total fear - total mindfuck - totally funky!!


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #648885 - 05/28/02 01:31 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

haha yea it did blow my mind a bit. Wayyyyyy too intense actually.. too much stuff happening all at once. Kinda like sensory overload. I never got the FEAR tho which is good The other person who was trippin had a panic attack though.. xanax saved her.
Xanax seems to be great as an antidote to bad trips methinks. I mean it's always better to attempt to counter the problematic thought processes and gain more control over your mind - but when your anxiety and fear start to run out of your control having something like xanax at hand can be quite useful.
Do the patches keep producing every week or so when it rains? When does the season end?

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648895 - 05/28/02 01:43 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Congrats!! you found your first Psilocybes.
I would eat half of what u got there..
Nice pics aswell.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648899 - 05/28/02 01:47 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

P. subaeruginosa, nice find and great photo. Try one to two larger ones for a trip. watch out they can be potent and are way more so than P. cubensis.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #648907 - 05/28/02 01:58 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

>I had anxiety on the comeup because noone had replied by the time we decided to dose

No offense man but you're fucking dumb... WHAT IF they were deadly... you wouldn't even know and you could have killed yourself... obviously they're not but WHAT IF ... only reason i'm saying something is because obviously you're an amatur if you had to ask ...


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: SumGuy]
    #648915 - 05/28/02 02:11 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

ok i live in michigan, and i came across these exact same (look alike) mushrooms. They were growing on wood chips in my friends front yard. So, i am wondering knowing my location if they might be active (psycoactive) . Anyways, just asking, i will get some more pictures.


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: SumGuy]
    #648930 - 05/28/02 02:29 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

No offense man but you're fucking dumb... WHAT IF they were deadly... you wouldn't even know and you could have killed yourself... obviously they're not but WHAT IF ... only reason i'm saying something is because obviously you're an amatur if you had to ask ...

I'm not an amateur. I've read absolutely heaps on shrooms and grown a fair few doses I was SURE they were safe but you know other people confirming that just gives you peace of mind.. the slightest contemplation can be exemplified into the biggest fear while tripping.

mjshroomer:
Heh well I dosed based on what was written in 'Magic Mushrooms of Australia and New Zealand' (that's by you right?).. It specifies dosage as being the same as for the normal cubies (http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/magic_mushrooms_aunz/magic_mushrooms_aunz2.shtml). So I weighed out 25grams wet for each of us and well.. hyperspace
O well.. I'll know for next time hehe.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #649336 - 05/28/02 08:30 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

well then there's no point in asking if you're not going to wait for a response.. however good find anyway glad they were good ... sorry for bein such a dick


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: SumGuy]
    #649699 - 05/28/02 01:02 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

heh. At the time I asked I wasn't sure.. But after looking around on the net a bit and some closer examination of the shrooms I came to that conclusion

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: tranced2]
    #649873 - 05/28/02 03:47 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Trance, if you found mushrooms that look just like these in Michigan, chances are they are deadly. These guys don't grow in Michigan. My guess, based on habitat, is that you found Deadly Galernias. If they briuse black upon handling and drop a rusty/orange spore print, then they are Galernias.
Don't eat them.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #650172 - 05/28/02 06:59 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

ten shrooms?? That would blow you head off!! Which is a good thing!! Great shrooms but always respect these babies




Yes...We be liking tripping hard in NZ...hehe...but still, 10 doesnt seem THAT powerful to me, and I don't have a tolerance either (moderation to be friendly to the bwainy wain!) When I take these shrooms I usually put them in a stocking and simmer in water for about 5 minutes, then squeeze out the stocking back into the water to get the last of those friendly juices out. I find the potency of this to be comparable to eating them, but the trip is smoother and it tastes a lot better (just toss in a tea bag!) I have taken 12 LARGE ones of these before (fresh, not boiled) - now THAT was INTENSE!
But I agree people should be very careful with these shrooms, I know people who find it totally overwhelming I think everyone should find their own dose level (knew some people recently had a bag of subaeruginosa, thought "these look small, we better have 20 each" needless to say they now never want to take shrooms again...
But 10 subaeruginosa seems the standard dose around here....I dont know about in grams though I will have to weigh it out next time.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #650379 - 05/28/02 11:48 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Believe me we like triping hard in Aussie too! 10 Subs is a medium to high dosage - of the variety here in oz anyway - you guys in NZ arent eating Australiana by any chance? Stamets says that is less potent.
The subs here are variable - ive eaten as many as 3 grams dry with a farely strong trip, other times three fruits and ive lost touch with reality completely - its funny, you can eat some with no effect - wait hours, then eat one more and trip REALLY hard! Beautiful mushroom and great visuals!
mmm. Try not to simmer those mushrooms too long - heat oxidises psilocin.
BTW - MJ although i think your online book is the best guide ive seen ever for aussie shrooms, just to be safe maybe an update on the dosage would be good to be safe
BTW - what did you think of Aussieshroomhead's pics??


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #650518 - 05/29/02 02:35 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I have to agree strongly that these shrooms give great visuals.. it might've because I have never taken that high a dose, but I saw soooo many things.. faces of cherubs and buddhas all over the clouds, chinese dragons flying around breathing fire, if I closed my eyes and moved I would see a cartoon representation of my motions. Totally crazy. What I found interesting is that I actually saw many images that I would usually consider quite scary - they didn't bother me at all.. mm..
Strangely there wasnt much mental happening.. I mean no real shroomy indepth thoughts. Maybe the xanax has something to do with that.. hmm. The other person who tripped lost her grip with reality.. she started seeing everything as neon lights.. she described it as something like las vegas.. never heard of anything like that before on shrooms - anyone?

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #651595 - 05/29/02 02:49 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Yup, I get a lot of NEON when I take shrooms, especially when I took the 12 large subs, then I was in a place which I named "The Electric Neverending"!
Very bright, vibrant, lots of symbols / patterns like interlocking shapes everywhere (at one stage my carpet was made of interlocked +, - and = signs! hehehe.
So how many shrooms was the 25g each? Or however many g it was.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #652355 - 05/29/02 10:25 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Ahh I see.. is it always so scary? (she was scared out of her mind). About half of what's in the pic each heh.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #652435 - 05/30/02 12:55 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Well I can say that that one time which I mentioned was the closest thing to a bad trip I have had, but it was strange, because the fear would come in waves and I would get intensely scared / depressed and think I was going to die (because when you eat a lot of these raw, they do some fucked up things to your guts / internal functionings) then I would tell myself no I was ok, its only magic mushrooms and they are not poisonus, I will be ok (I was by myself for that trip which I think made it a lot scarier, I never have any troubles when I'm with friends) then I would stand up, stretch, and things would be lookin up and I'd start having fun and enjoying the trip again and keep getting side tracked until I would find myself curled up in a ball or something and it just felt fucked. Not to mention my hands and feet looked HUGE and swollen and I looked at myself in the mirror and my lips looked fucked infact my whole face did. It looked quite spotty and I dont think I was hallucinating, does anyone else get pimple type things from tripping? Coulda been the stress from when I was freaked.
But all in all that trip was a good experience and the next day I felt good and glad I was ok, and I think that trip helped me learn to control hallucinogens a lot better because jeezus that was one mother of a big trip!

By the way, bluemeanie, you (and everyone else) say that the heat destroys the active ingredients. Sure the lab-tests show this (and I am not knocking science) but I have never observed this from experience, I can remember when I first tried tea I was expecting it to be weak for that reason but actually I can notice no difference in strength or what little difference there may be is worth it for the extra quality of the trip (much less gut-fuckedness).
But if you simmer (not boil) them for just a few minutes, and wring out the shrooms as well, I think you'll always be pleased with the results.
Also this method has a really cool come-on, like you drink it and BAM you are buzzed straight away, tripping within 10-20 mins, it is one of my favourite parts of the experience!

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #654111 - 05/30/02 04:43 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Ill try the tea - heat oxides psilocin, but there is plenty of psilocybin in shrooms that should be okay


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #654153 - 05/30/02 05:05 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I always make tea now, and filter all the undesirables away with a paper towel.. and never notice a marked change in potency... although I might use a coffee strainer next time, justincase...

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: deepr]
    #654168 - 05/30/02 05:15 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

And is there any evidence to say that oxidised psilocybin is NOT active?
Maybe its even more potent?! Either way, its not noticeable, maybe unless you boil the fuck out of them for an hour or something.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Peace_Patrol]
    #654841 - 05/31/02 03:26 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

well there is evidence that from the time that the mushroom begins to stain blue the PSILOCIN is oxidising - however psilocybin is much more stable and does not readily oxide. Some mushrooms such as Cubensis have hgh psilocin levels and do not keep their potency well in drying, let alone heat or freezing which speeds up severely the oxidisation.
However, other types of mushrooms have higher levels of psilocybin and could be simmered for a short period and not lose too much potency - the psilocin would all be fucked up, but the psilocybin would be still there


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #654853 - 05/31/02 03:36 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Do you guys regularly have nausea problems with these shrooms? I felt fine that time.. Please let us know how it goes bluemeanie.. might try the tea myself

Just as a sidenote.. this seemed like the shortest trip I've ever had.. despite it being soooooo damn intense the time just flew. I'm so used to trips feeling like aaaaages.. it was interesting but very unfulfilling. Probably related to set and setting... tripped in the car, it was cold outside, and I skipped uni to trip. I was punished by the shroom gods I'll be good next time hehe.

Peace_Patrol:
Interesting.. I've never seen any physical problems when I trip.. you sure it wasn't purely hallucinated? You look verrrrry different in the mirror when you trip..

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #655828 - 05/31/02 12:26 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe sound like you had a pretty intense trip there. When I first started shrooming this season I had a really intense trip that was varying from extremes, one minute I had total ecstacy the next I felt so bad that I felt really nausious, and when the trip wore off it was a high in its self just comming back to reality.
Some things I use to control my trip is:
1: Setting: Try doing them on a sunny day ina non crowded place where there is plenty of colour and light. eg, Bush, Golfcoarse or your local smoking park.
2:I was told by an experienced acid dumper that if you have one light beer, or 1 shot of ur favourite spirits before you trip it takes away alot of the anxiety which therefore can lead to a nightmare trip.
3: I always smoke weed at some poin of my trip, especially at the onset when you feel a little funny and nausious, after a few (Green) hits, everything becomes more relaxed and chilled.
4:If you start to feel evil from within change your setting,sitting position( some times I find refuge from bad trips by simply moving into a different boddy position), go out side but make sure you are warm.
5: When Im getting really intensly fucked that it becomes uncompfortable I go and put on Foxtel, put the channel on Discovery or Nat.Geographic and whatch trippy shows that make more sense than whatching a channel 3, C grade movies.

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: aussishroomhead]
    #656206 - 05/31/02 03:57 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the tips!

I'll try a bit of alco before I trip next time.. sounds interesting - I'd rather not take xanax if I can avoid it.

I've never tried tripping when it's still sunny - doesn't the sunlight hurt your eyes as they're dilated? If not my local pot park sounds great.. It's right next to a national park.. there's an amazing ledge that gives you a view all the way to the city.. and a couple of huuuuge gum trees - what are those one's called that twist around and look like 200 years old? Blue-gums or something.. heh.

I never really got the 'fear'.. it was more like holy shit man I can't believe how intense this is. At the height of it I wondered if I would stay concious as there was just soooo much going on. It lacked normal shroomy spirituality.. it just felt like a drug-fucked experience rather than a nice enlightening one. Anyway.. hopefully next time will be better

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #656227 - 05/31/02 04:09 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I often find the subs to be very visual and mindfucky but your mindset is 100% normal - like the mushroom is showing you its world but not eltting you participate.
However, other times i have had intensely spiritual experiences on the subs - so maybe its trip related...
I also had a spiritual experience on four grams of Tassies!
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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #656706 - 05/31/02 09:58 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Well all I can say is you lucky bastard, JJ! Are you in Sydney by any chance??
Happy tripping anyway and take care with em


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: ruskifile]
    #656836 - 06/01/02 02:25 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

hehe hey zhukov!
Yea I am..

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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #658184 - 06/01/02 10:00 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Well I wish I had your eye for mushies then JJ, lol

.....all I can find around the inner-city are masses of those 'shaggymanes' which are edible apparently but not exactly what we are looking for hey They're everywhere, but often overnight the patches are destroyed by drunken arseholes (happens a lot around here....no idea they're helping to spread more eventually, haha)




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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: ruskifile]
    #658197 - 06/01/02 10:54 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

check you local shaded mulch areas your area Zhukov! Good Luck!


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Re: *Urgent* Are these friendly shrooms? :) [Re: _JJ_]
    #658207 - 06/01/02 11:22 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

hey there all...i'm just curious as to where i could see some pics of these galernia shrooms that look like subs...


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