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Lion
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Lies *DELETED*
#6480049 - 01/20/07 02:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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vigilant_mind
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Re: Lies [Re: Lion]
#6481098 - 01/20/07 10:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would say that the "Lie" to a faithful's "Truth" would be anything antithetical to their dogma.
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dr0mni
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I've been reading Derrick Jensen's "The Culture of Make Believe" recently and he has some very interesting insights about our culture. One chapter is called "False Contracts" and it talks about the lies told to populations in order to get them to accept a social and economic system which ultimately oppress them and poison the earth. The poor around the world are told that if they allow economic "development" into their country that it will bring them properity, while the system they give up their power too is meant to keep them as disenfranchized slaves.
Those in power, too, are fooled by the false contracts of civilization. They are told tales of greatness and epic reign and influence. They are told that the more wealth and social status they recieve the happier they will be.
We are told that war is inevitable, that it is our human nature, but in reality it takes a great deal of effort to convince people to go to war. And always, those who benefit the most are those who are in power, who own the weapons factories, who own the energy corporations, and who own the land. They spend millions of dollars a year convincing us that bombing poor people is glorious and patriotic.
The Lie, with a capital L. I would say that it is the belief that ones' "way of life", country, ideology, religion, government, or economic system are Ultimately and Absolutely the only correct and moral way to exist, think, believe, or live. And that our "enemies" which threaten us and our "way of life" must be exterminated and slaughtered until no threat exists.
That is the fundemental nature of "civilized" warfare; that "all possible force must be used until the threat is removed". We did it to the indians, we did it to natives around the world, and we are doing it now to the people of the Middle East.
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vigilant_mind
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Re: Lies [Re: dr0mni]
#6481479 - 01/21/07 12:50 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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We are indeed waging a war in the Middle East: it is a war of ideologies.
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leery11
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replying to dr0mni
in fact our entire perspective of the entire world is constructed out of lies
the television is nothing but a lie and can hardly be anything otherwise. there is no Saddam Hussein except the one we were spoonfed to hate as children. Therefore, the Iraq war happened. Should we have been spoonfed to hate evil Canadian hockey players there would be a war in Canada right now and we would be saying, Iraq, the fuck is that, who gives a damn, let them do what they want, fuck those Canadians we want them dead.
Although journalism is largely to some degree credible, it is hard to siphon out over propoganda, overt bias, subtle bias, and sensationlism, from actual attempts to inform. Given that the news corporations only need to make money, they will radically warp our perspective of the world. Given that the government only needs to stay in power, they will radically warp our perspective of the world.
For instance, the news has always been more inclined to poke at problems, pour gasoline on fires, stoke and reinforce useless wars, than it has been to educated about how we are being oppressed by our own leaders in power, or how other nations are being oppressed and what we can do peacefully to feed the hungry and etcetera.
Perhaps the most damning lie of all is the "free Nation" fallacy. All Americans are taught that they were the first free country, they are the best free country, and that they are the freest country. Therefore they always say "it's a free country" man but in free countries most users on this board are savage criminals and so I say, well.... that is a lie in my opinion.
I think the internet is an excellent medium for dispersing lies because it gives every person a voice even though a lot of the voices are nutty. You can go blog an internet news site and call out their foolishness and things like that. The TV just gives one voice, the voice of the upper-class..... and every single TV viewer inherits that voice and does their little part in perpetuating the propoganda. It is then very hard to tell people the drug war is bad.
In fact I was doing that in my psych of minorities class and after saying quite a bit about the drug is almost as bad as slavery and is socially sanctioned classism, another student responded and the first thing he said was "of course the War on Drugs is good but...."
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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