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 Cryptix
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 Headaches after tripping? 
#6479957 - 01/20/07 01:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get the worst headaches I have ever felt after I trip out. During the trip I'm completely fine, but after I come down completely I get really bad headaches that last into the next day usually...
I was just wondering if anyone else gets this and if it's normal, none of my friends get it.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cryptix]
#6479974 - 01/20/07 01:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Um, unless there are other issues here i would think it is being caused by dehydration..i have experienced this quite a few times after shrooming in the woods or something, when i didn't drink any water...i came down and felt like i was drained and had a headache..
Every since then it hasn't happened because i realized what was causing it, and i started to carry water with me if i was out (never happened at the house because i had water right there). When i was out in the woods or something i wouldn't have anything to drink, and of course your heart is beating pretty fast, and you are moving around alot, hiking through the woods, so it came as pretty obvious to me. This may not be your issue, but it could help.
Sometimes you have to force yourself to drink also, as you forget you even need water, but your body is working hard and needs water to stay hydrated. Also another tip is that if you drink lots of water all day (don't get hydro-toxicity or anything) before you trip, and see how that goes.
Hope you figure it out..
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Cepheus
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#6479983 - 01/20/07 02:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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You gotta remember you've been poisoned.
I get headaches after I eat an 1/8th or so .. sometimes..
everyones different..
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cepheus]
#6480009 - 01/20/07 02:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poisoned? when is this myth going to subside? How could anyone believe this madness?
I'm with the first guy...stay hydrated.
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Cryptix
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cepheus]
#6480010 - 01/20/07 02:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fair enough, ill try drinking some water
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cryptix]
#6480148 - 01/20/07 03:29 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep that should help alot.
I used to have headaches too but infrequently. If alcohol was consumed after the psychedelic experience, things were of course made worse.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: hjalmar]
#6480154 - 01/20/07 03:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a bunch of people that i know that have bad hangovers after tripping. Me usually i dont get anything, i guess im luck 
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: hjalmar]
#6480158 - 01/20/07 03:37 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me and a few of my friends also have the problems. For me the headaches were annoying but they were never bad enough to cause anything other then slight discomfort. One of my friends though, got a very bad headache after he tripped for the first time. It was so bad he is very weary about trying shrooms again because he wants to avoid the headache.
I will try drinking water before and during my next trip and see if that helps. To me it defiantly seems like dehydration could be the cause.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: theleoj]
#6480185 - 01/20/07 03:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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At least drink some water before you go to sleep.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: hjalmar]
#6480328 - 01/20/07 04:49 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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My hangover turned into a cold and now I'm miserable.. There's always next week!
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Cepheus
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: fazdazzle]
#6480361 - 01/20/07 04:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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fazdazzle said:
Poisoned? when is this myth going to subside? How could anyone believe this madness?
I'm with the first guy...stay hydrated.
well I know that psilocybin is dephosorilzed in the liver into psilocin, which then mimics serotonin and is uptaken and then binds to certain serotonin receptors causing the 'psychedelic' effects...
I figured that psilocybin was the mushrooms defense mechanism against natural predators - hence why I said poisoned.
In a way ingesting any mind altering substance is poisoning yourself.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cepheus]
#6481389 - 01/21/07 12:08 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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well i hope water will help out because the headache was so bad I think it might turn me off from tripping, or at least tripping frequently
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cepheus]
#6481442 - 01/21/07 12:27 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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aManEater said:
In a way ingesting any mind altering substance is poisoning yourself.
Okay, then what about foods that promote different chemical changes in your body? I.e. turkey and chicken I believe promote serotonin production. Does that make them poisonous?
Very bad word to apply to such an incredible substance. Calling shrooms poisonous makes every person on this forum an ascetic, and I don't think most people would appreciate that. 
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: NeuroticTrip]
#6481758 - 01/21/07 06:30 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im my mushroom identification book, psilocybe * is listed as poisonous.
Psilocybin is a poison we abuse, just like those toads and their 5-MeO-DMT ..
Natural defense mechanism, stops animals from eating them.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: Cryptix]
#6481854 - 01/21/07 08:11 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get headaches too sometimes after tripping. Besides drinking water, during the trip don't forget to pee (it may sound funny but you can be so caught up in tripping that you don't realize you need to pee) and take full breaths. The reason I'm saying that is because all of these affect your physical condition..
Another reason for the headaches could be that you already have a high blood pressure and of course that while tripping the blood pressure increases and that could also cause you head aches. Try doing head massages before you take mushrooms... it wouldn't hurt if you massage your head on regular basis.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6482324 - 01/21/07 12:36 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Okay, then what about foods that promote different chemical changes in your body? I.e. turkey and chicken I believe promote serotonin production. Does that make them poisonous?
Although I also wouldn't use the word poisoning, there is a great difference between L-tryptophan in food as an *essential* amino acid promoting serotonin production, and psilocin binding to the 5HT2A receptor.
But poisoning for me is having ingested a substance that is harmful to the body, thus having a certain toxicity.
Of course I can see that it isn't easy to draw the line here. Eg. what is the difference between alcohol inebriation and alcohol poisoning, as this compound damages the body organs and nerve fat tissue very fast.
Psilocybin isn't harmful to the body in normal doses, but it can be harmful to the psyche in certain cases, so I guess you can call that poisoning too?
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6482390 - 01/21/07 01:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get them all the tipe after a trip, and i drink close to 2 liters of water before, during, and after the trip. It starts as soon as i notice the trip is fading. It starts at my neck and shoulders, moves up my brain stem, and into the top of my head, then down into my eyes, and sits there as a pulsing pressure.
I have started to do streches and relaxation methods to ease the tension in my back. But some time i still end up curled in a ball in a dark corner of my room. I take 5HTP after the trips, smoke a bowl and try to meditate, which helps some what. I have also been diagnosed with chronic headaches, and Migrane w/ Aural. I also have tight tendons and muscles, and scholiosis. Meh, the pain has become almost part of the experiance, so to each his own. 
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aManEater said:
Im my mushroom identification book, psilocybe * is listed as poisonous.
Psilocybin is a poison we abuse, just like those toads and their 5-MeO-DMT ..
Natural defense mechanism, stops animals from eating them.
I doubt many books outside of the scientific community actually lable Psilocybes, Amanitas, Pannalious, or any other active mushroom as Psycadelic. Most simply say poisionous just to prevent idiots and those whom have the ability from getting any bright ideas.
And i do agree that they are a self defense mechinism, along with MHRB, pot, Datura, HBWR, and every other plant, fungus, or animal. But while some are not "posionus" all of them are deterants.
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Besides drinking water, during the trip don't forget to pee (it may sound funny but you can be so caught up in tripping that you don't realize you need to pee) and take full breaths. The reason I'm saying that is because all of these affect your physical condition..
Very good point, i have noticed that i "forget" to pee ALOt when tripping. I drink alot of water out of habbit, and i start to become very uncomfortable, and the trip starts to feel like is trunin on me, then i remeber, "OH MY GOD I HAVE TO PEE!" After that the trip picks right back up. Usually.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6482478 - 01/21/07 01:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
MushroomTrip said:
It wouldn't hurt if you massage your head on regular basis.
Unintentionally hilarious. In the signature it goes.
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ThirdEyeOpening said:
But while some are not "posionus" all of them are deterants.
Personally I think pot has psychoactive qualities because that offered it a benefit in terms of survival. However, not as a deterrent. I am of the opinion that mutations making the bud large, smelly and pleasant to ingest afforded the cannibis plant the ability to have its seeds distributed by animals (and humans!), kinda like an apple tree producing an apple helped it to distribute its seeds.
Animals enjoy eating pot, and many an outdoor grow has been ruined by them.
This is my opinion.
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Quote:
ThreePieceSuit said:
Personally I think pot has psychoactive qualities because that offered it a benefit in terms of survival. However, not as a deterrent. I am of the opinion that mutations making the bud large, smelly and pleasant to ingest afforded the cannibis plant the ability to have its seeds distributed by animals (and humans!), kinda like an apple tree producing an apple helped it to distribute its seeds.
Animals enjoy eating pot, and many an outdoor grow has been ruined by them.
This is my opinion.
I could agree with you on this especially with regards to the outdoor grows. But my opinon would be that it is more of a "treat" for the animals more than there usual diet. though that could not really be proven since he animals arent in an environment where pot could become part of there daily diet.
And that the seeds would have to pass through the digestive systems of several species. And have the seed evolved to the point of passing unharmed through a deer or a human?
But im no doc by any means, this is just what has come to my head
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I had the biggest headache the next day and I had a hockey game at 1:30pm. I was sitting ont he bench and thought my head was about to explode through my helmet.
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Quote:
ThreePieceSuit said:
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MushroomTrip said:
It wouldn't hurt if you massage your head on regular basis.
Unintentionally hilarious. In the signature it goes.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6483905 - 01/21/07 07:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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New theory on the headaches...
You're exercising, intensively, areas of the brain you ordinarily don't use as heavily. The headache is caused by the brain increasing blood in that area in order to bring oxygen and nutrients (glucose, etc.) to the area for all those new synapses.
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: NeuroticTrip]
#7196716 - 07/19/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting theory. I saw this thing on TV about your brain when youre growing up. Basically use it or lose it. There was someone who didnt get any speech stimulation and she ended up never speaking...
Maybe you get them cos you dont use that part of the brain very often.
Has anyone who gets them noticed theyre not as bad or gone after tripping many times, maybe getting used to it?
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Re: Headaches after tripping? [Re: sms_sms]
#7197909 - 07/19/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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i always had the headaches. someone called them "stress headaches". it's not a headache i usually get, it feels like i've been up all night studying math or something. a really thick head. i think it's just that your mind isn't used to process all those signals that are coming in under shrooms without the filters. often while tripping i feel like i could fill several books with the thoughts i have.
that's the mental side to it. dunno about the physical. may be related to blood pressure and heart rate changes. although i don't think water consumption has got anything to do with. you SHOULD drink a lot of water before drinking alcohol because liquor makes you lose a lot of fluids. drinking water before alcohol reduces headaches in the morning.
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