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Guitarist can you tell me?
    #6469825 - 01/17/07 02:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I own a Epiphone Les Paul Custom which I think is a great guitar, I got it for £400.
I would like to know why Gibsons are so much more expensive considering they are made from the same wood and to my knowledge the only difference is maybe better pickups and hardware, but that shouldn't make a guitar go up by about £1000!

I think you are just paying for the name when you buy a real Gibson.

Anyone know anything?

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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6469844 - 01/17/07 02:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Name,craftsmanship, "love",or 'care' put into it's build,etc etc are all things that are very present factors in stuff like that.

From the somewhat limited I've known about Guitars,and the lot i know about woodworking, you can pretty much make any guitar sound and play like that $1000 Gibson or PRS.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6469850 - 01/17/07 02:58 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

A term known as "craftsmanship" can be thrown around. That probably has a lot to do with it. "Better pickups and hardware" is too general of a phrase, it could mean a huge difference or a small one. Not all wood is the same, even if it is from the same tree.

I'm not sure what the profit margin would be for a high-end guitar as compared to a lower-end guitar. Demand for the guitar is what pays for its name, not the money.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6469865 - 01/17/07 03:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Still..... I bet there's not really a huge difference when you play a Gibson compared to a high end Epiphone.

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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: CaptainH13]
    #6469896 - 01/17/07 03:09 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Wood and wood working have exactly NOTHING to do with the sound of an electric guitar. Accoustics = of course.

My advice as with any product, is to not buy just because it's the most expensive but because it's what you need/want. And not all gibsons are that expensive; that was my first brand of electric I ever bought and it cost less than $500. But if you are an experienced guitar player you can most deffinitely hear a difference in sound quality and clarity with one of those high dollar instruments as opposed to a Fender Squire. If you can try one out, then by all means play it until the guy at the shop strips it from your grimey hands and judge for yourself.

BTW: Aint a damn thing wrong with a Les Paul. :cool:


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6469917 - 01/17/07 03:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I own an epiphone SG and I love it. Among me and my other musical friends who play guitar, sometimes the epiphones are better than the actual gibsons in our opinion.

I've played a couple that don't impress me and I've played a couple that did have a very noticeable difference in sound/tone, especially when playing clean.

I love my epiphone though. It's so comfortable to play. I'm soon going to sell it though one day and get an actual gibson les paul.

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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6469922 - 01/17/07 03:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Wood and wood working have exactly NOTHING to do with the sound of an electric guitar. Accoustics = of course.





???
um, youre wrong there, but w/e

as stated before, it's the craftsmanship. Epiphones are much more just assembly line put em together and toss em to the stores. Gibsons are setup much better. They'll have better tolerances between the string to the fret all the way up the fretboard under all strings. They'll generally have better hardware, and they'll be made from better wood stock. Not all mahogany/maple is created equal. You could also expect a better finish on Gibsons.
But also as stated, Youre buying a name. Gibsons are overpriced, and price does not equal quality all the time. It is, however, a general indication of what you can expect.
theres much more to is than that, but trust me. there's a difference.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6469973 - 01/17/07 03:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Wood and wood working have exactly NOTHING to do with the sound of an electric guitar. Accoustics = of course.






Myth ^^^^. The wood's density and elasticity, as well as the assembly method are what determines the sustain and a large part of the tone. The wood matters more than the kind of pickups and strings.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #6469998 - 01/17/07 03:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yep. hardness as well as grain, etc, REALLY change the tone. Maple = really hard, good treble. Mahogany = medium hardness, better mid-range tone, good for jazz, guitars with humbuckers, etc. that doesnt even include exotics.

god, there is SOOO much to elaborate on. Look up guitar building. been there done that dont wanna regurgitate it all....too much.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: Colbadol]
    #6470003 - 01/17/07 03:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yeah the wood definately effects the tone. just think if you put the neck and hardware of a les paul on a wal-mart first act body, im pretty sure it wouldnt sound like a LP

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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6470025 - 01/17/07 03:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

According to my current guiar teacher Gibsons are good guitars but have allowed their retail prices to rise due to their popularity (so youre paying for the name now). He also mentioned Gibson is putting less effort into their guitars even though the prices continue to rise... he gave the example of one of his students who ordered a Gibson and when it was delivered it wasnt assembled correctly and he had to take the guitar to a repairist to have it configured (or something of the sort).

Regardless, Ive never really liked Epiphones....


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6470034 - 01/17/07 03:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i don't think gibsons are as good as they used to be.

The electronics in a guitar, especially the pickups can play a big part in the sound of the guitar.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #6470043 - 01/17/07 03:45 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

That's a very astute observation man. Joe Satriani even said if he fucked with the paint job on his Ibanez that it would alter the sound radically. I used to have a really sweet early 70's Les Paul but it was stolen by a crack addict :frown: Now all i have is a really shitty Gibson studio model SG....


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #6470093 - 01/17/07 04:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

The wood of an electric guitar has a lot to do with the tone of the guitar. The wood still vibrates. I've got myself a nice, solid piece of Ibanez. :cool:

One's hands, of course, are the predominant factor as far as tone is concerned.


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: eligal]
    #6470099 - 01/17/07 04:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think that people are getting their money's worth from Gibson. There are a ton of lines of guitar out there, and the market would seem rather competitive. Gibson's cost what they do because that is what people are willing to pay for 'em. That's called demand. :grin:

Ibanez all the way! :lol:


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6470123 - 01/17/07 04:13 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I like ESP.

Comes with a lifetime warranty...how much better can it get than that?


I find the necks on gibsons and epiphones are so comfortable. Of course, that comes down to playing style. But man, they just glide like butter to me.

I've played some nice PRS too.

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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: Spooge]
    #6470149 - 01/17/07 04:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I don't play guitar or know the first thing about it, but I do play other instruments, and all pose basically the same question. Really differences are noticed at higher levels (no offense to anyone or anything), but the more experience you have, the more you notice. For example, me being a trombone player, when I first started I couldn't tell the difference from a King to some crappy Yamaha student, but now I definitely notice slide difference, tone difference, etc. Hell, think of it like weed, when you first start out, you'll get high, and you'll like it, but once you've been smoking for a year, you know what's indoor, what's outdoor, what's good, and what's dirt.

Edit: Forgot to mention that in things like this, especially instrumentation, the price differences are almost always worth it, even though it might seem like a ripoff. It's a ripoff because they can, that's the beauty of American economy, the whole competitive monopoly deal and what not. Of course terms like worth and value all change person to person, so obviously if you're happy with your guitar then it's NOT worth it, but I think that's a given.

Edited by jewunit (01/17/07 04:22 PM)

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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6470184 - 01/17/07 04:28 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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One's hands, of course, are the predominant factor as far as tone is concerned.




It's ALL in the hands man, Eddie van halen used to comment about how guys would play his guitar and expect to sound just like him :crazy: And the late Jaco Pastorious of the 1970's fusion band said "It's all in the hands" I think too many guys get hung up on what special FX to use you know? You've either got it or you ain't......


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #6470188 - 01/17/07 04:28 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Trust me - I've got it. :grin:


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Re: Guitarist can you tell me? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #6470207 - 01/17/07 04:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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One's hands, of course, are the predominant factor as far as tone is concerned.




It's ALL in the hands man, Eddie van halen used to comment about how guys would play his guitar and expect to sound just like him :crazy: And the late Jaco Pastorious of the 1970's fusion band said "It's all in the hands" I think too many guys get hung up on what special FX to use you know? You've either got it or you ain't......




I think BB King, Billy Gibbons and David Gilmour show how true this is.

So true.

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