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thallus
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: ToxicMan]
#6462938 - 01/15/07 04:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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So is Amatoxin the big killer in all poisons mushrooms
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Mead
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: thallus]
#6463746 - 01/15/07 08:06 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mycotoxins is the word you're looking for I believe. Not all are lethal but some are. It essentially means toxins from mushrooms. Amatoxin is included.
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Mitchnast
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: Mead]
#6464160 - 01/15/07 09:50 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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doesnt matter WHERE the wood comes from, all those plants came from greenhouses that use the same mulch that galerinas grow on.
and the veil is tattered. possibly from frogs crawling on it.
Cortinariaceae family for certain. of all in that family, galerina MOST fits the bill
Edited by Mitchnast (01/15/07 10:03 PM)
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Mitchnast
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: Mitchnast]
#6464204 - 01/15/07 10:04 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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false alarm, apparently he was only kidding.
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canid
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: Mead]
#6464225 - 01/15/07 10:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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mycotoxin means a toxin from fungi, not just mushrooms. mycoantibiotics [the only kind recognized as such my the stupid, stupid AMA] are an example, allong with mushroom toxins and a wide range of others.
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WordlessNature
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: canid]
#6464265 - 01/15/07 10:25 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is unfortunate that this person took it upon themselves to cry wolf... Mostly unfortunate for anyone who truly elects to seek help via the shroomery (admittedly an odd alternative to seeking direct medical attention), as this will only serve to delay any serious response to the situation. It is not good to become jaded towards the presentation of life threatening circumstances, particularly under the color of masturbatory entertainment...
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Mead
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: canid]
#6465022 - 01/16/07 07:20 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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right right, sorry, myco--fungus not mush sorry honest mistake
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mjshroomer
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: canid]
#6465219 - 01/16/07 09:15 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Concrete, why would you call the AMA stupid. They are an organization of doctors with real educations and degrees.
They are definitely not stupid.
mjshroomer
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CureCat
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: mjshroomer]
#6465373 - 01/16/07 10:22 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, the USA is pretty well known for having a rather corrupt political hand in medicine- often ruling on behalf of the companies rather than the sick and elderly. I don't think the individuals that make up the AMA are necessarily dumb, but as a whole, the associated needs to get it's priorities straightened out...
heh, this might be going off topic...
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canid
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: CureCat]
#6466273 - 01/16/07 02:47 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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as a whole, the idiots who comprise it need to get thier heads out of their asses about what constitutes medicine. they are douchebags who, despite the top of the line in technology, are far behind most of the world's other schools of medicine. and education without a forebrain is a dangerous thing. i have no respect for degrees in and of themselves and for good reason.
now, tell me: what constitutes a real education? are you so arrogant as to pretend that western academia - just because it predominates the world - is the authority? on what basis? what does a degree mean if it's based on a standard of sub-excellence in a field where the stated goal is forgotten in the promise of money? where it's standards are in the pockets of the financial contributors who finance the study in the self interest of thier own, differential agenda?
and in my experience, less than a quarter of them are pleasant people even on a superficial level. why should i respect doctors? as is, i try all i can to avoid having to be in thier care.
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Edited by concretefeet (01/16/07 02:55 PM)
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xmush
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: canid]
#6466286 - 01/16/07 02:52 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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still off topic, but I hope you can realize how ridiculous a blanket, ad hominem attack like this is. And your previous comment about mycoantibiotics being the only kind recognized by the AMA is completely nonsensical.
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canid
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: xmush]
#6466303 - 01/16/07 02:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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as last i've heard, it's true.
as reguards the attack on the AMA, who cares, it's my oppinion, backed by my observation and experience and go fuck yourself if - and only if - you care to have a problem with that. otherwise, hold your views and we can come together on any common ground.
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xmush
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: canid]
#6466336 - 01/16/07 03:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Basically only two classes of antibiotics are derived from fungi. The vast majority of antibiotics are synthetic analogs of naturally occuring chemicals from bacteria, or are comlplete laboratory creations. I respect your opinion in general, but my point was that a blanket statement (all doctors in the AMA are douchebags), is pretty untenable - even as an opinion.
Funny how this thread started about a dumb pubber eating a galerina, and has mutated into a topic that is probably only fit for the pub or OTD.
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canid
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: xmush]
#6466354 - 01/16/07 03:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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i don't maintain that all doctors in the AMA are douchebags. i maintain that the AMA as a whole is a douchebag, and that i don't care for doctors in general either, and don't repsct them the on merit of thier degree. the title is only as good as the person holding it and this is all the more true when i don't repect the issuing institution.
whether that is a popular oppinion, or a good argument for it, i don't care. i'm expressing my views, not arguing them. therefore, fallacies are like pancakes in that "pile on a second heapin' helpin'". euphoric overextension of my views helps quell the irritation and general 'irkment' i feel.
yeah, sadly, this thread was spawned of the pub, posted here and will likely die in the dump. at least [it looks like from what i read] nobody got hurt? glad to hear, it always sets me on edge when people even joke about mushroom poisoning.
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mjshroomer
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: CureCat]
#6466410 - 01/16/07 03:34 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Curecat. It is the Food and Drug Administration which controls what drugs are legal and/or illegal in the USA.
mj
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CureCat
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: mjshroomer]
#6467113 - 01/16/07 06:37 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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MJ, the AMA and the FDA are closely tied in determining the application of synthesized drugs.
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xmush
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: CureCat]
#6467204 - 01/16/07 07:05 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
CureCat said: MJ, the AMA and the FDA are closely tied in determining the application of synthesized drugs.
You might want to check up on this. The AMA is a professional organization that represents physicians, publishes a journal, and issues position statements. They are non-regulatory and have no ties to the government. The FDA is a federal regulatory agency charged with guaranteeing the safety and efficacy of all human and animal medications, synthesized or not (which they don't always do a great job at). There is certainly no formal tie, and the AMA has no legal or regulatory authority. The AMA may offer position statements about best medical practices based on ongoing research, and sometimes this may discuss uses of drugs for conditions which they were not originally FDA approved for. Under federal law, such 'off-label' use of medications is permitted at a clinicians discretion, but they'd better have some good evidence backing their off-label use (such as journal articles, position statements from AMA or other medical specialty groups) or they may be subject to litigation.
It should also be noted that most physicians are not members of the AMA, it is just a voluntary professional organization, similar to the North American Mycological Association. It is also different from the specialty organizations such as the American Board of Pediatrics which board certifies doctors to be pediatric specialists after they complete a residency and boards.
I can't believe this off topic post hasn't been shut down yet - though it is pretty edifying.
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CureCat
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: xmush]
#6467223 - 01/16/07 07:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I I realize the AMA is not involved directly in the regulation of pharmaceuticals, rather, they are the ones who prescribe medicines to patients. I'm pretty certain that doctors are encouraged by the pharmaceutical companies to promote and prescribe their products.... I have a large pen collection.
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Hashishi
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Re: Pubber eats galerina [Re: CureCat]
#6471188 - 01/17/07 08:25 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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CureCat said:I'm pretty certain that doctors are encouraged by the pharmaceutical companies to promote and prescribe their products.
Though the US's private healthcare system certainly has its faults, at least you get plenty of tasty treats along the way.
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