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Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn.
    #6444313 - 01/10/07 06:52 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I just sterilized a bunch of alder chips by boiling them for a hour in water mixed with a tablespoon of glucose, and some recommended micro-nutrients. I currently have some Azurescens mycelium in a jar growing. I have already used 3/4 of my mycelium to try to inoculate a generous size of wood chips outside. Some i planted right in the chip, and some spots i dug little holes and put sterilized chips mixed with a little auzie mycelium.

My question is what should i do with the new batch of sterilized chips i just made.

- refill my auzie jar?
- use to preform similar techniques as described above?
- maybe use the little bit to inoculate more jars?
- plant the chips as a whole and try for a big mycelium cake?
- use the mycelium to make lots of cardboard spawn?

If cardboard can i get some ideas on some techniques?


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6444346 - 01/10/07 07:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

If you wanna do cardboard, I'd simply soak and layer sheets of it, interspersing layers of spawn.  Maybe use big cardboard boxes :biggrin: or cover the bricks with garbage bags.

Then I guess just bury outside with a thin layer of loamy topsoil and maybe plant some grass.  If you find the species of grass it has been known to fruit alongside, bonus.


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: Hypercube]
    #6444436 - 01/10/07 07:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Do i need a layer of topsoil? can i just use leaves? or put a peice of card board on top of it.[/b[

What about adding some vermiculite to the woodchip mix? I imagine it would help hold moisture throughout the summertime if i forget to water it for too long.

I have plenty of vermiculite i use in my glass shop. Can i sterilize some of this by putting it in the over or my kiln at 500-900 degrees?
I don't have a preasure cooker yet. little low on funds.


HyperCube: i already have several cardboard spawns going from previous projects. I was told to use corigated cardboard and when you soke it add i think a 1:32 ratio of hydrogenperoxide to water. This is to sterilize the cardboard. Is this not neccesary?


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6444468 - 01/10/07 08:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I am by NO means an expert with this. But since I'll be doing the same this spring, I've been reading up on it.

I'm sure you could use leaves or cardboard to cover the plot. I'd choose leaves over cardboard, and topsoil over leaves. (Assuming that mimicry of the fungi's natural environment is best) As long as a humid environment is maintained throughout the growth cycle, and some type of interstitial barrier between the myc and the air is provided, I can't forsee any problems.

Verm would probably be good in terms of adding moisture. I imagine coir would work much the same way.

Dunno about the verm sterilizing part. I thought verm was sterilized at its formation.

Also, cardboard is highly selective. Not sure if that peroxide would do much. You could soak the cardboard in 170F water for a few hours before using if you're paranoid; this is what I plan to do.


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: Hypercube]
    #6444586 - 01/10/07 08:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have been told that anytime is a good time to start your cultivation. As soon as you got spores or mycelium, there shouldn't be any need to wait for spring. (I read that somewhere on the shroomery)

As for vermiculite sterilization. If the vermiculite was sitting in open air there is a high potentiality of one of the millions and billions of spores that float through our air to land on a piece of vermiculite. Not to mention it has been a long time since it's formation. To go further vermiculite is sterilized as well as other substrates when growing cubensis.

I know that Cyanescens is a much more vigorous strain, fighting of bacteria and other contaminant trying to invade it's food. However, i will do as much as i can do to prevent any spore in my substrate, other then the ones i want, to come into contact with my chips. Ideally speaking.


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6444595 - 01/10/07 09:05 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

OK so i still need a answer.

I took the boiled chips and put them in a strainer. Before i put them in, i lined the strainer with double layers of papertowls that are extra long. I did this so when i dumped in the chips i could fold the edges over to keep it away from the open air contaminants. I then put all of this in a the cleanest paper bag i could find, sealed it all up and have been waiting for it too cool down. I was told i can't add the mycellium/spores untill it cools.

It's been about 10 hours since then, i need to know what the best thing i can do with theese. I got probably enough to fill 4-5 1liter mason jars.


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6446186 - 01/10/07 06:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

OK im going with the jars. Maybe i will save some for when i get a nice 8"x8" tupperware container. I think i got more chips then jars.


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6446336 - 01/10/07 06:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

add some bleach to the water that is used to soak the carboard


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: tahoe]
    #6446856 - 01/10/07 09:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Why is bleech better then hydrogenperoxide?


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6446987 - 01/10/07 09:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Where did you pick up your alder chips?


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6447088 - 01/10/07 10:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You're going to want to use your mycelium to inoculate grains. When these grow out, you can use them to inoculate woodchips/sawdust. Woodchips by themselves perform poorly. Use up to 20% wheat bran and 10% gypsum mixed with the sawdust. Mix that half and half by volume with your chips.
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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6447587 - 01/11/07 02:29 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

RogerRabbit:
Thank you so much. I will do that next time and make sure and write that one down. For this i need a preasure cooker???

Unfortunately i got a bunch of jars filled with woodchips mixed with old mycelium.

Should i take them out and use jars. Or just wait for my cardboard cultures to take.

How big of a deal is sterilization when doing thees things? (After the sterilization of the substrate)


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6450531 - 01/11/07 09:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Hi. You could either water the jars with the mycelium/chip mixture and wait for the mycelium to spread to the chips, or dump them out and put the mycelium on cardboard. I think the mycelium will spread to the chips, but it's probably more likely to jump to cardboard more quickly. Maybe dump a couple jars and try mycelium to cardboard and keep a couple and water them and see whether the mycelium is able to jump to the chips.

I don't personally think you need to be too worried about contaminants with woodlovers. It seems that the niche that the woodlovers fill in the environment is pretty specialized. If you put stem butts or mycelium from a woodlover next to cardboard, it's going to take over and grow so fast that you don't need to worry about contaminants.

Then when you have maybe 100 square cm of mycelium on cardboard, sprinkle some alder chips (soaked but I don't think they need to be sterile) on the spawned cardboard. in a week, it will jump to the chips. Keep building it. In the spring, dig a trench 3" deep, lay the mix along the bottom and cover with 2" of 50% alder chips/50% alder sawdust. Water every two or three days, if needed. In October or November, you will have fruit.

Good Luck!


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Re: Outdoor wood lovers... and making cardboard spawn. [Re: BobHumboldt]
    #6459616 - 01/14/07 06:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

here after about 6 days in tubber ware out side in the cold


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