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We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed
    #6455783 - 01/13/07 04:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This is very debateable but,

I think we would all be better off smoking hash oil and stop smoking weed.

Smoking what we want to get high, and disgaurding lots of other plant fibers, and such, means it should be cleaner, and better for our lungs.

A big reason why cigarretes are worse then marijuana is due to the amount that is being smoked everyday. Empty out a pack of cigarrets and weigh the tobacco. Compare to the average weed smokers weight in herb. The cigarretes tobacco (in most cases) would be comparably larger by weight.

It is the amount of smoke you put through your lungs that would increase the cause of lung cancer. The amount of carcinogens are to be recognized as well.

If this is true then a higher quality weed would be much better for you then smoking brown weed or leaf.

Don't get me wrong i like weed for many reasons other then just getting high. There is tastes and aromas that can't compare to that of an extract. However i am speaking in terms of health.

Alot of this is my own theory, so i am open to debate on this matter.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6455812 - 01/13/07 04:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think if you wanted to save your lungs you should just eat the pot.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: slamdunk]
    #6455822 - 01/13/07 04:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Vaporizer.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Kickle]
    #6455892 - 01/13/07 05:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

OK what about vaporizing oil vs pot. Don't you inhale some vapors that the oil extracts?

SlamDunk: Eating pot just doesn't work with me. You can read my other thread.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6455499#6455499


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6456171 - 01/13/07 06:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I got .7grams of tobacco per cigerrete. So this eaquals exactly 14 grams or a half ounce per pack.

I would say that the majority of us weed smokers don't consume this much a day. Or a week for that matter.

I know people that make an ounce last 6 months!


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6456197 - 01/13/07 07:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

My weed lasts, that's for sure. If you compared the amount I've smoked to a cigarette daily it would be considerably. Though I don't smoke habitually, just on occasion when I need to kill time. Which not surprisingly comes on the weekends. I think vaporizers are best, since there is no CO released in the gas, probably very little if any tar, and I'm fairly sure you can't have carcinogens without combustion. Then there is the matter of convenience, which makes the vaporizer much less economical...


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: confusion]
    #7814182 - 12/30/07 06:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i'd love to get a vaporizer, i hear they're great for your lungs. however since i'm a cigarette smoker and when i blaze i smoke a lot less cigarettes so overall you could say bud is good for my lungs. :bongload:


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: doitagain]
    #7815551 - 12/31/07 01:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

dood i smoke keif hash and oil in my valcanoe all the time
just cuz then i only smoke a couple bags vs like 10 which takes forever BTW lol cuz my bags are huge


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Coaster]
    #7815735 - 12/31/07 03:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Eh. I couldn't possibly care less about the minor damage I'm doing to my lungs by smoking weed.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Ness1]
    #7815786 - 12/31/07 03:44 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well it may be minor 2 u but ppl who smoke a lot need 2 worry
like be4 i got my vaporizer my lungs were so shot i couldnt run without heaving for air
and now i can hold my breathe underwater and run and be outta breathe, but not like im dieing for oxygen like i was be4


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Coaster]
    #7815823 - 12/31/07 04:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think people confuse that weed makes you lazy>therefore you get out of shape, rather than "Dude I tried running today, and I got out of breathe so quick", of course you're going to be really out of shape after going from being generally lethargic. I've been doing martial arts longer than smoking, and it really has helped me listen to my body, and notice when things aren't normal (i.e. get tired way quicker than usual), and I don't notice any difference from smoking weed to not smoking weed.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7822570 - 01/02/08 05:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm with Rabidbaboon, if there's anything bad about it, it's really not that bad. There was some study where marijuana smokers are less likely to get lung cancer because THC cleanses your lungs. Why do you think they never show you a marijuana smoker's lung in those health TV shows? Because it would look like a healthy lung, and they don't want you to know that because it's all a bunch of bullshit propaganda. It also explains why people that smoke weed don't cough all the time like cigarette smokers.

There's a video somewhere on youtube of Joe Rogan talking about marijuana and it's health effects and he keeps saying he just doesn't buy that it's bad for you, because even people that smoke weed every day don't really have anything wrong with them. I think he said weed is huge in the tai-jitsu world, like some of the most famous tai-jitsu specialists (including him) smoke weed when they practice.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: eaglenature]
    #7822837 - 01/02/08 09:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sry Im too in love with my various weed flavors to give up smoking the bud.  Also it can be debated that tobacco alone isn't a major factor in cancer but rather the ferts they use on it.  A vape is a good idea but I would still smoked bud in it.  Hmmm maybe bud and hash oil... :thumbup:


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #7824126 - 01/02/08 05:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I know this is off the subject a bit but, can bubble hash be smoked in a vaporizer?


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: mother_of_pearl]
    #7824141 - 01/02/08 05:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer the aroma and taste from vaporized weed vs weed smoke. I notice the taste and aroma more from vaporized stuff then smoked, also its healthier and gives a funner high.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: eaglenature]
    #8138206 - 03/12/08 08:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is interesting about weed smoke cleansing your lungs, i have never heard anything about it, however my fathers friend was at the doctor about 5 years ago when he was about 50 years old.  He got into a motorcyle accident and was in the hospital for a punctured lung.  After the lung exam the doctor told him he was lucky that he had a good set of lungs or it could have been all over. He then replied to the doctor, "Well then it is a good tihng i have been smoking pot for the last 35 years now huh doc?"  The doctor said nothing else to him and quietly walked away. :rofl:


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #8138269 - 03/12/08 08:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I read this article recently. It says that a theory on why weed doesn't cause cancer like tobacco is beacause the weed encourages old cells to die faster, thus reducing the chance of them becomming cancerous.
hell just read it:




ScienceDaily (May 26, 2006) — People who smoke marijuana--even heavy, long-term marijuana users--do not appear to be at increased risk of developing lung cancer, according to a study to be presented at the American Thoracic Society International Conference on May 23rd.
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Marijuana smoking also did not appear to increase the risk of head and neck cancers, such as cancer of the tongue, mouth, throat, or esophagus, the study found.
The findings were a surprise to the researchers. "We expected that we would find that a history of heavy marijuana use--more than 500-1,000 uses--would increase the risk of cancer from several years to decades after exposure to marijuana," said the senior researcher, Donald Tashkin, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA in Los Angeles.
The study looked at 611 people in Los Angeles County who developed lung cancer, 601 who developed cancer of the head or neck regions, and 1,040 people without cancer who were matched on age, gender and neighborhood. The researchers used the University of Southern California Tumor Registry, which is notified as soon as a patient in Los Angeles County receives a diagnosis of cancer.
They limited the study to people under age 60. "If you were born prior to 1940, you were unlikely to be exposed to marijuana use during your teens and 20s--the time of peak marijuana use," Dr. Tashkin said. People who were exposed to marijuana use in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancer typically starts to develop, he added.
Subjects were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diet, occupation, family history of cancer and socioeconomic status. The subjects' reported use of marijuana was similar to that found in other surveys, Dr. Tashkin noted.
The heaviest smokers in the study had smoked more than 22,000 marijuana cigarettes, or joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 to 22,000 joints. Even these smokers did not have an increased risk of developing cancer. People who smoked more marijuana were not at any increased risk compared with those who smoked less marijuana or none at all.
The study found that 80% of lung cancer patients and 70% of patients with head and neck cancer had smoked tobacco, while only about half of patients with both types of cancer smoked marijuana.
There was a clear association between smoking tobacco and cancer. The study found a 20-fold increased risk of lung cancer in people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day. The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater the risk of developing both lung cancer and head and neck cancers, findings that were consistent with many previous studies.
The new findings are surprising for several reasons, Dr. Tashkin said. Previous studies have shown that marijuana tar contains about 50% higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer, compared with tobacco tar, he noted. Smoking a marijuana cigarette deposits four times more tar in the lungs than smoking an equivalent amount of tobacco. "Marijuana is packed more loosely than tobacco, so there's less filtration through the rod of the cigarette, so more particles will be inhaled," Dr. Tashkin said. "And marijuana smokers typically smoke differently than tobacco smokers--they hold their breath about four times longer, allowing more time for extra fine particles to deposit in the lung."
One possible explanation for the new findings, he said, is that THC, a chemical in marijuana smoke, may encourage aging cells to die earlier and therefore be less likely to undergo cancerous transformation.
The next step, Dr. Tashkin says, is to study the DNA samples of the subjects, to see whether there are some heavy marijuana users who may be at increased risk of developing cancer if they have a genetic susceptibility for cancer.
Adapted from materials provided by American Thoracic Society, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: bongoboy2000]
    #8138319 - 03/12/08 08:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i smoke oil everyday
they call me the middle east
without oil, my brain gears wouldnt run as smoothly
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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: doitagain]
    #8138464 - 03/12/08 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i'd love to get a vaporizer, i hear they're great for your lungs.




Actually a friend of mine has a hole in his lung due to the THC(according to the doc) but he still smokes up with me :bongload::stoner::bigblunt::jointsmile::gethigh::bigjoint: stoner's for life!


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: killerthc]
    #8138497 - 03/12/08 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i'd love to get a vaporizer, i hear they're great for your lungs.




Actually a friend of mine has a hole in his lung due to the THC(according to the doc) but he still smokes up with me :bongload::stoner::bigblunt::jointsmile::gethigh::bigjoint: stoner's for life!




Your friend has an asshole doctor. :rotfl:


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #8138610 - 03/12/08 09:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Smoking with a bong or something that cools the smoke is probably a lot healthier too. The heat from the smoke has gotta make it more unhealthy for your lungs.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: NlightNd1]
    #8138684 - 03/12/08 10:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think the smoke is any hotter than the air that you would inhale during a hot shower, or in a sauna.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #8138734 - 03/12/08 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's probably true. Does a bong hurt your lungs less because the smoke is filtered?


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: pscyanescens]
    #8139213 - 03/12/08 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This is very debateable but,

I think we would all be better off smoking hash oil and stop smoking weed.

Smoking what we want to get high, and disgaurding lots of other plant fibers, and such, means it should be cleaner, and better for our lungs.

A big reason why cigarretes are worse then marijuana is due to the amount that is being smoked everyday. Empty out a pack of cigarrets and weigh the tobacco. Compare to the average weed smokers weight in herb. The cigarretes tobacco (in most cases) would be comparably larger by weight.

It is the amount of smoke you put through your lungs that would increase the cause of lung cancer. The amount of carcinogens are to be recognized as well.

If this is true then a higher quality weed would be much better for you then smoking brown weed or leaf.

Don't get me wrong i like weed for many reasons other then just getting high. There is tastes and aromas that can't compare to that of an extract. However i am speaking in terms of health.

Alot of this is my own theory, so i am open to debate on this matter.




A radioactive isotope called plutonium 210 naturally occurs in tobacco. This is what causes cancer, not the "carcinogen, tar, or amount of smoke". Marijuana does not contain this chemical and every other "carcinogen" in marijuana is benign unless take in massive quantities. Not not like smoking a pound in a year. You have to smoke insanely large amounts and if a pound is benign i hope that puts things in perspective.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: NlightNd1]
    #8139296 - 03/12/08 11:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That's probably true. Does a bong hurt your lungs less because the smoke is filtered?




Water cools the smoke.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: wireless]
    #8146911 - 03/14/08 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This is very debateable but,

I think we would all be better off smoking hash oil and stop smoking weed.

Smoking what we want to get high, and disgaurding lots of other plant fibers, and such, means it should be cleaner, and better for our lungs.

A big reason why cigarretes are worse then marijuana is due to the amount that is being smoked everyday. Empty out a pack of cigarrets and weigh the tobacco. Compare to the average weed smokers weight in herb. The cigarretes tobacco (in most cases) would be comparably larger by weight.

It is the amount of smoke you put through your lungs that would increase the cause of lung cancer. The amount of carcinogens are to be recognized as well.

If this is true then a higher quality weed would be much better for you then smoking brown weed or leaf.



Don't get me wrong i like weed for many reasons other then just getting high. There is tastes and aromas that can't compare to that of an extract. However i am speaking in terms of health.



Alot of this is my own theory, so i am open to debate on this matter.




A radioactive isotope called plutonium 210 naturally occurs in tobacco. This is what causes cancer, not the "carcinogen, tar, or amount of smoke". Marijuana does not contain this chemical and every other "carcinogen" in marijuana is benign unless take in massive quantities. Not not like smoking a pound in a year. You have to smoke insanely large amounts and if a pound is benign i hope that puts things in perspective.




I don't believe it's found naturally in tobacco, I believe it's found in the ferts we in the U.S. use. I've read a study before that reported lower rates of cancer in countries that do not use the fertilizer. Also it's polonium 210 not plutonium lol.

Also the ratio of particulate matter to thc is lower from a bong then from a joint. So really it's not all that healthier when you have to smoke more to achieve the same effects. Also bongs are a more active way of smoking then passive inhalation via a joint.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: wireless]
    #8146956 - 03/14/08 08:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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A radioactive isotope called plutonium 210 naturally occurs in tobacco. This is what causes cancer, not the "carcinogen, tar, or amount of smoke". Marijuana does not contain this chemical and every other "carcinogen" in marijuana is benign unless take in massive quantities. Not not like smoking a pound in a year. You have to smoke insanely large amounts and if a pound is benign i hope that puts things in perspective.



actually its polonium, and its not naturally in the plants, its in the fertilizer that they dust the tobacco crops with, then the tobacco plant takes it up and concentraes it in the trichomes, as it is bound to the phosphate
polonium 210 sticks in your lungs for at least ten years even after you quit smoking tobacco, and its radioactive, so your lungs are constantly being exposed to radiation, and that has a chance of mutating cells and acusing them to turn cancerous

heres my source
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health2.shtml


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8147012 - 03/14/08 08:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

being a cigarette smoker, there is a huge difference in a prefab. cig and the one that i roll. i can smoke way less hand rolled smokes in a day for 1, and even the next day i don't feel as shitty if i smoked hand rolled smokes. its all the other stuff in cigs (like rat poison) that make it super bad for you.


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: smokeybear]
    #8147019 - 03/14/08 08:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the best tobacco is tobacco that you grow yourself


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Re: We would all live longer smoking just hash oil....... no more weed [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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The best tobacco is actually Marijuana


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