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OfflineNewFungiGrower
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Rapid Heartbeat
    #6442084 - 01/09/07 03:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I dont know if anxiety would be the word but everytime I smoke weed my heart races like crazy and I cant stay still. I have recently tried X and it was a great time. I have ate shrooms before but it was before my heart went crazy when I smoked weed. I have recently grown some fresh mushies (thanks guys) and I am a little nervous about eating them. Should I just eat a gram or 2 and find out?

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442092 - 01/09/07 03:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Umm yeah 2 grams should be cool no matter what.
When u smoke weed, one of the side effects is increased heart rate.
Another is lowered BP..

Edited by learysprotoge (01/09/07 03:26 PM)

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: learysprotoge]
    #6442229 - 01/09/07 04:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

yeah weed has that tendency for me aswell, but shrooms i can chill on.

try a level 2 or 3 dose depending on the strain.

your choice man.


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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: blacksun]
    #6442612 - 01/09/07 06:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It may just be the strain of weed you've gotten recently. I know that some strains have more of an effect on my heart rate (or at least more of a perceived effect) than others. I've never had this problem with mushies though, so I wouldn't worry. Worrying just increases your heart rate. Giving you something to worry about. Vicious cycle, really.

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442641 - 01/09/07 06:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like typical anxiety. As marijuana rises in potency, so do reported cases of marijuana induced anxiety.

Being afraid of getting anxiety can turn into a disorder in itself. If you are worried about it, it MAY present itself during a mushroom trip.

I have horrible marijuana induced anxiety, more like full out panic attacks sometimes, and I'm very sensitive to mushrooms now. But I find it more comfortable than a marijuana high.

Eat a gram and test it out. A rapid heartbeat is most likely not going to hurt you if it does happen. It's very rare for young people to have a heart attack or anything serious happen unless you have a heart condition. Remember, mushrooms raise blood pressure.

You should be good though

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442668 - 01/09/07 06:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't recommend a low dose. Low doses only aid in pigeon holing the experience. Is your heart going to race? You bet. The hormones epinephrine and nor-epinephrine will be secreted by the adrenal glands and cause this condition. It's completely normal and to be expected.

If you have fears/anxiety during a trip you are far better served dealing with the issues instead of trying to control them with lower doses. Have a trip sitter handy and deal with the issues. Evading your fears will only lead to phobias and make the situation that much worse.

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: Wronguy]
    #6442755 - 01/09/07 06:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Though that advice may work for some, it does not work for all.

Sitter or not, working through a high dose or not, some people's brain chemistry is different.

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Low doses only aid in pigeon holing the experience




Some people are more sensitive to psilocybin than others. Some people can get a level 5 of a gram while others it would take 7-8 grams. If someone can get from 1-2 grams what you can get from 5, it's not pigeon holdin the experience.

I use to smoke retarded amounts of marijuan for years until one day, a horrible panic attack occured. Ever since then, I've been overly sensitive to everything. Caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, psilocybin, etc. I forced myself into a few high dose(like the high doses I used to take) mushroom trips(5 grams) and it didn't do any good. Only worse.

Some peoples flight or fight responses are overly sensitive and react differently than others.

I don't think it's such a smart idea to recommend a high dose when we don't know anything about how his brain chemistry relates to the dose, his family mental history and other such factors.

Sometimes it CAN be much safer testing the waters first before diving into the deep end. And like I said, for some people just trying a low dose to test those waters, end up in the deep end anyhow.

Like I was saying, everyone is different, so MAYBE a high dose would work for him...it has for others.

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: Spooge]
    #6442772 - 01/09/07 06:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed, but that's not really what I was trying to convey. Low dosing, meaning a dose commensurate with a individual's ability to just feel the effects of the trip, will only produce a desired control level. The aspect of tripping is just that, to trip. I certainly would never advocate taking a high level trip for any beginner or any person who has anxiety, but I do feel that anxiety issues are best resolved when you are immersed in the trip, not teetering on reality.

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: Wronguy]
    #6442804 - 01/09/07 06:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well talking from personal experience, before my anxiety issues(resulting from the abuse of marijuana), I was smoking 1/4s a day and taking 5 gram of mushrooms with moderate effects.  Afterwards, 2 grams was an extremely powerful dose and 3 hits of a joint has my stoned out of my mind.

I know at least 6 other people that have had almost the same identical thing happen.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that perhaps his brain chemistry and body's flight or flight response is sensitive right now.  If that is the case, I recommend teetering on reality to see how the drugs physical effects act on the body.

BUT, it could totally be the opposite.  Perhaps he's just experiencing and for the first time really aware of, his heart beating quickly.  After all, after enough psychotropic drug use, you are going to be more aware of your body.  And we know it's quite natural for a slightly elevated heart rate and blood pressure.

In that case, I say he take mushrooms the same way he always did before(at whatever dose is his "thing").

I understand where you are coming from and most of the time I agree.  Teetering on the outskirts can cause more anxiety than actually diving into the experiencing it.  When you are so involved in the drug experience, you don't have any incline or thought to worry about about such mundane details  :wink:  But I think that is all very relative on a day to day, month to month, year to year basis.

Body/mind chemistry changes and CAN become sensitive or visa versa.

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: Wronguy]
    #6442837 - 01/09/07 07:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Wronguy's point of view makes sense to me- if you are trying to gage the state for the potential of anxiety. There is potential for anxiety on a trip, and with a low dose you will not necessarily be given the metaphysical capabilities a higher level trip would give you to help combat anxiety.
(If you are dipping your toes in to see if the water is cold... it very well may be colder than it would feel if you dove right in)

However, if you are taking a low dose in order to assert your control over your anxiety, you might find the approach very useful. By accepting the fact that there can be anxiety associated with the state, seeking it out and dissipating it through asserted relaxation (hot bath? tea? meditation? yoga? breathing exercises? stretching? comfortable music?) you will be able to build confidence in your ability to relax yourself. Pick a safe and comfortable environment, and do not fight or deny the tension, recognize it, and recognize your ability to let it pass into relaxation.

In summary- don't use a low dose to pretend the drugs can not cause anxiety, they can, especially if you take up a suspicious (anxious) mindset. Use a low dose to recognize and disperse the anxiety associated with the trip so that you will be confident to relax next time as well.


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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442844 - 01/09/07 07:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Wow it is great to see i am not the only one this has happened to. I use to smoke around an oz a week by myself. Then when I was in my last two weeks of college(finals=stress) my heart would go crazy when I smoked, and still sometimes bothers when we I try to sleep, like I cant relax. So it makes me feel better that I am not "crazy" and this is semi-normal. I am hoping to trip with a couple of friends this week and I will most likely take 1.5 grams.

Thanks for the wonderful site and information

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442852 - 01/09/07 07:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It just goes to show Moderation is key.

Enjoy and let us know how it went  :thumbup:

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442860 - 01/09/07 07:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

weed used to make my heart beat like that too. i had to stop smoking and still can't smoke to this day. i think adderall caused it.


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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: NewFungiGrower]
    #6442876 - 01/09/07 07:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have actually had a trip that caused long term anxiety issues. The trip was the most terrifying 3 hours of my life and this was on 5 grams. Also, I had eaten 12 grams before without too much difficulty, so the dose had little to do with it. Tripping was damn near impossible for a while after. I couldnt even smoke pot.

I have not tripped much since I was able to really help fix this serious problem via a heavy dose of ayahuasca. Though I fixed this issue for the most part, tripping will never be the same.

If I ingest even the smallest dose, like .5 grams, I can feel this swell inside my my chest, breathing becomes shallow, and my heart begins to race and wont stop no matter how good of a time I am having.
Then again, when this problem started it was right around the time when tripping became much more magical for me, no longer used for any sort of typical psychedelic fun. It became much more complex.

It has something to do with the fact that nowadays, I am the kind of person who gets obvious (almost intense) visuals off of .5 grams.
I never used to be that way.
There is a whole hell of alot more I can say about it, but I think yall get the point.


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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: yageman]
    #6454867 - 01/13/07 08:30 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Could it be that your heart started pounding so hard after your more interesting and or intense trips, because your mind was tellling ur brain to tell ur body to get ready for some shit.
I mean i dont think ur body can differentiate between getting chased by a bear n getting thrown to the moon.
I mean its all the same I think, I dont think we have different settings for our adrenal systems..

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Re: Rapid Heartbeat [Re: learysprotoge]
    #6454882 - 01/13/07 08:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yea weed makes your heart pace faster after only the first drag dude, don't think about it though, just concentrate on something else and you won't even notice it anymore and all the anxiety will be releived.


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