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Offlinehightimesreader
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WTF is up with my pinset?
    #6450104 - 01/11/07 07:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)



So.. uhh, why's it suck so bad? I know it's first flush but I heard that first flush foreshadows 2nd and if you have one a 3rd +.... Help plz!

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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6450113 - 01/11/07 07:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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hightimesreader said:


So.. uhh, why's it suck so bad? I know it's first flush but I heard that first flush foreshadows 2nd and if you have one a 3rd +.... Help plz!

-Hightimesreader




They just might be some early boomers . You could pick them now if you want . I'd just let them mature and hopefully the second set will be more even :thumbup:

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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6450127 - 01/11/07 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Temp? rH? Did you give it enough FAE? Temp drop to induce pinning?

Read this . That should answer alot of your questions.


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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: HippieChick]
    #6450132 - 01/11/07 07:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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They just might be some early boomers




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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: HSIHd]
    #6450144 - 01/11/07 07:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I've read that post.. after I did my first casing of course... I did some how make that colonized substrate even as I could just for my personal reasons I guess without knowing it helps. My humidity is 90% (I have a digital hydrometer and I mist with tap water (has chlorine in it)). Temps are in between 74-81 degrees farenheit. I fan it by lifting the green house plastic covering and pointing a fan to bounce off the plastic and into the chamber by which I hope to push the C02 out.. once to twice a day for about 5-10 min. I did not cold shock. This is my first set of pins to tell you the truth. I have tried to grow before and the jars got contamed every time. The spores were from microtechspores.com or microtech.com I cant remember exactly but.. thanks!

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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6450160 - 01/11/07 07:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I am not sure about this because I do not spray. But I believe any constant chlorine in the environment of your casings could definitely effect the pinning. In fact I could see it killing off the mycelium. I would switch to spring water if you want sterile water.

But as I said. This is just a concept. I do not know the effects of any chlorine use.

good luck.


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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: Vibrate]
    #6450188 - 01/11/07 07:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I havent sprayed since I saw pins becuase I heard that it cuases them to retain too much moisture and has a high chance of becoming an abort. I only use that becuase then those dirty contams wont even think about getting in my fc.. but when I start spraying again I'll take note.. I'll start spraying tomorrow so I'll use spring water instead. Thanks!

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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6450255 - 01/11/07 08:03 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

If you're using a green house , why aren't you using a cool mist for FAE ?

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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: Vibrate]
    #6450260 - 01/11/07 08:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I am not sure about this because I do not spray. But I believe any constant chlorine in the environment of your casings could definitely effect the pinning. In fact I could see it killing off the mycelium. I would switch to spring water if you want sterile water.

But as I said. This is just a concept. I do not know the effects of any chlorine use.

good luck.




wrong. :smile:

anyway, to the original poster, pinsets are a balancing act between MANY factors.  no way we can tell you exactly what went wrong.

the various steps (applying casing layer, incubating casing, introducing to fruiting conditions) must be timed perfectly for perfect pinsets.  review hyphae's pinning strategy (a few times) and beyond that, practice makes perfect.

also, plain verm doesn't make for great pinsets in the first place.

moisture content is also important, and another strike against verm - peat based casings are easy to eyeball moisture, verm on the other hand is not.  could be too dry, could be too wet... can't tell by looking.

if you want better pinsets, do as many as the following as you can:
-choose a better casing material
-pasteurize it properly
-pH balance properly (if peat based)
-time things well (again takes practice and you'll learn with experience!)
-increase FAE as much as you possibly can during pre-pinning
-keep substrate depths even, casing layer thickness even
-keep moisture content "near saturation" - again hard to judge on verm, but on a peat based casing, it means as wet as you can while maintaining an "airy" structure to the casing.  the material should remain loose and crumbly, too wet turns it to mud.  too wet on verm makes it like a sopping wet sponge..
-lastly, and a little more advanced, isolate or clone to work with genetics of known quality.  i'll have to assume this started from multispore, sometimes its the "luck" of the draw and you end up with sub par fruiters.


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Re: WTF is up with my pinset? [Re: creamcorn]
    #6450277 - 01/11/07 08:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Fanning only needs be 15-20 seconds in duration bro 5-10 min is to say the least excessive and is not what they respond to well.


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