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The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press * 3
    #6447044 - 01/10/07 10:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6447240 - 01/10/07 11:03 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Great report!! :thumbup:

Be sure to keep us updated on any future travels!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles [Re: VirgilKane] * 1
    #6447261 - 01/10/07 11:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6471583 - 01/17/07 10:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6472492 - 01/18/07 05:36 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome!! :thumbup: I wonder if these changes will become evident to you with the passage of time and, if not, if they will become evident as you continue your experiences.

At least it was a lesson learned on the setting!!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6474101 - 01/18/07 05:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Outstanding! Thanks for the detailed report, very informative.
So how do you feel about your actions on the whole? Do you feel a craving or a longing to go back to that place, or is it more like something you enjoyed and may enjoy again at the time of your choosing?


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: LouiseLouise] * 1
    #6475660 - 01/19/07 06:41 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I wish I had a printer...

That reads like a book..

Block text are so ...

Gah! .. :barf:

I need a printer.. :p

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: LouiseLouise] * 1
    #6476261 - 01/19/07 11:43 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6510310 - 01/29/07 10:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6510410 - 01/29/07 10:24 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Wow dude.  just fucking wow.:thumbup:

Awesome about the chilling elves!!

Great reports!  The last one made me smile!:)


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6539799 - 02/07/07 10:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Your experiences, just wow. Thats amazing dude.

For my whole life. It seems like the goal is to reach that state of mind on your own, without drugs. And i can feel it i can tell its possible. Some day.

Good stuff, take care.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Infested] * 1
    #6541086 - 02/07/07 04:35 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I really enjoyed these trip reports. I have not yet experienced DMT but will be working on an extraction here soon. Those trips seem really crazy. I believe that I remember t. mckenna talk about transforming machine elves in regaurds to his first dmt experience. It is pretty amazing how everyone gets to the same place.

Please keep posting your experiecnes with DMT. I really enjoy reading about them.

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Ch. 9 - Platonic Forms [Re: kungpow] * 1
    #6545686 - 02/08/07 08:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6583770 - 02/19/07 01:18 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Flee to me, remote elf.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: ck10n3] * 1
    #6593728 - 02/21/07 12:58 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Can you describe more how the smoke feels on the lungs? How does it compare to say, marijuana? How big are the hits that you're taking, and what would you say is the minimum required to achieve such a state?

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Mosis] * 1
    #6603339 - 02/23/07 06:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6603803 - 02/23/07 08:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

That;s outstanding. DMT is possibly the most enticing thing I have ever heard of. I mean, just the things you hear about it and the 'i can't explain it' is so damn luring.
I can't wait

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 *DELETED* [Re: Feanor] * 1
    #6604074 - 02/23/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Magickow] * 1
    #6613055 - 02/26/07 03:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Wow.

Amazing Log you have here.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: blacksun] * 1
    #6622850 - 03/01/07 12:30 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys!

I have just updated my original post with two more trip reports.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6623103 - 03/01/07 03:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Nice report you've got going on here, it makes me want to try DMT. :thumbup:

Have your DMT experiences 'changed' you in your everyday life at all?


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED yet again - 2/29 [Re: Feanor]
    #6624496 - 03/01/07 01:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Every single time you update this it makes me want to cook up an extraction of my own even more.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #6626258 - 03/01/07 10:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice report you've got going on here, it makes me want to try DMT. :thumbup:

Have your DMT experiences 'changed' you in your everyday life at all?



Oh yeah, for sure! I feel completely different. Once I broke through, my life was changed. Every human that I see from now on looks so unique and just overall weird!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED yet again - 2/29 [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #6626265 - 03/01/07 10:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Every single time you update this it makes me want to cook up an extraction of my own even more.




Excellent! Do it! :yesnod:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED yet again - 2/29 [Re: Feanor]
    #6626561 - 03/01/07 11:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It just keeps getting better!!

Thanks for the updates!:thumbup:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6631061 - 03/03/07 10:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Hey buds.
That is an interesting journal you got going.
I can appreciate the way that you describe the difference between the psilo/dmt molecules (lsd is right in there, too), it helps me understand what the experience is like.
It's also cool that you get to realize that you usually are not on another substance when you visit. Personally, I never considered trying to boost up off a trip like that, but you make it sound very interesting.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6740788 - 04/02/07 11:40 PM (17 years, 24 days ago)

Wow. a great journal and very well written. i especially liked the part of the elves telling you mushrooms were good. after reading this i'm going to attempt an extraction of my own. someone should make a book of trip reports off of various psychadelics.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: doitagain] * 1
    #6746135 - 04/04/07 12:15 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

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Wow. a great journal and very well written. i especially liked the part of the elves telling you mushrooms were good. after reading this i'm going to attempt an extraction of my own. someone should make a book of trip reports off of various psychadelics.




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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: doitagain]
    #6747636 - 04/04/07 06:30 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

Thank you, doitagain.

Kungpow is right! :wink:

I have also just updated the chronicles with 3 knew trip reports. 2 more are on their way as well. The ones that I am about to write were easily some of the most ridiculously psychedelic experiences of my life, so they may take some time to write.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6757972 - 04/07/07 02:04 PM (17 years, 19 days ago)

Good stuff man, I'm quite partial to the spice myself and can attest to it's life changing abilities. It's the most utterly powerful, awesome, and interesting thing on the planet IMO and more people should be experiencing it, especially intelligent people. Totally changed my perspective on life and reality. Ever get the feeling like there's some sort of wave starting, or that DMT somehow influences and/or is connected to things you experience in everyday life?

Come on over to www.dmt-nexus.com sometime, or if you like good DMT trip reports, check out thenook.com as well.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6780913 - 04/12/07 09:45 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

That was incredible. One of the best reads I have ever come across. Makes me really want to try DMT, and also reassures my personal feeling that there are MANY other dimensional realities than this very limited one we are trapped in due to our limited sensory capacity. Awesome thread and experiences man.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #6797217 - 04/16/07 09:52 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

cilosyb,
That's a cool site!

Thanks a lot, EthericOctopuss! You should give it a go.

I updated with 2 new trip reports.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6798337 - 04/17/07 02:48 AM (17 years, 10 days ago)

So how do you feel about the other dimensions that you've entered. Do you think it's just one hell of a mind blowing hallucination, or do you think that DMT could be a key to the brain to allow your soul to leave your body and enter another reality or dimension other than the one we live in?


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #6806809 - 04/18/07 10:57 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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So how do you feel about the other dimensions that you've entered. Do you think it's just one hell of a mind blowing hallucination, or do you think that DMT could be a key to the brain to allow your soul to leave your body and enter another reality or dimension other than the one we live in?



I definitely think that DMT is the Spirit Molecule. Everything adds up. After reading a lot about DMT, having my own personal experiences with DMT, and speaking to others who have used DMT as well, there isn't a single thought in my mind that what happens when one is on DMT is merely a hallucination. I know that there is much more. I know everybody has heard it a thousand times, that there is nothing that will prepare you for DMT. The reason why it gets repeated so often is because it's true! I think that DMT actually transports your soul, or parts of it, to other worlds that are just as real as our own. There is so much more to our world than what meets the ordinary eye. There is dark matter in the world, and there are parallel universes. DMT, I think, reinforces this fact. We know that Black Holes exist, despite their invisibility to the ordinary eye, because of the gravitation force that they exert upon objects that are visible to the ordinary eye. There have been so many interesting theories concerning Black Holes. I do think that DMT transports your soul through one.
Thanks for the question!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6807407 - 04/19/07 02:57 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

It's on, I'm ordering some MHRB and "DMT The Spirit Molecule" tonight. It's time for some interdimensional travel!:evil:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #6808024 - 04/19/07 09:47 AM (17 years, 7 days ago)

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It's on, I'm ordering some MHRB and "DMT The Spirit Molecule" tonight. It's time for some interdimensional travel!:evil:



Awesome, man! That's the spirit. :thumbup:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6913916 - 05/14/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I have still been writing and editing. I updated the Chronicles again. I didn't have enough room in my first post to place the updated trips, so I posted them in my second post on the first page. Enjoy!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6917239 - 05/14/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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So how do you feel about the other dimensions that you've entered. Do you think it's just one hell of a mind blowing hallucination, or do you think that DMT could be a key to the brain to allow your soul to leave your body and enter another reality or dimension other than the one we live in?



I definitely think that DMT is the Spirit Molecule. Everything adds up. After reading a lot about DMT, having my own personal experiences with DMT, and speaking to others who have used DMT as well, there isn't a single thought in my mind that what happens when one is on DMT is merely a hallucination. I know that there is much more. I know everybody has heard it a thousand times, that there is nothing that will prepare you for DMT. The reason why it gets repeated so often is because it's true! I think that DMT actually transports your soul, or parts of it, to other worlds that are just as real as our own. There is so much more to our world than what meets the ordinary eye. There is dark matter in the world, and there are parallel universes. DMT, I think, reinforces this fact. We know that Black Holes exist, despite their invisibility to the ordinary eye, because of the gravitation force that they exert upon objects that are visible to the ordinary eye. There have been so many interesting theories concerning Black Holes. I do think that DMT transports your soul through one.
Thanks for the question!




In a book I read a ways back called "EVP and New Dimensions" the author, a former NASA scientist, postulates that the "white tunnel of light" commonly encountered by those that have Near death experiences is actually the other, or reverse-side of a black hole of some sort that leads to alternate dimensional frequencies of existence. He said he basically believes the black hole turns itself inside out at its end and becomes a white hole. And he thinks that they have the ability to completely alter reality and space-time.

Great additions to the chronicles brother! One of these days I'm going to load myself into the dimensional cannon too. I bet you miss being over there when you're back on this plane. It's a shame we can't just naturally produce larger amounts of endogenous DMT, and be able to fluctuate and interact freely with these other beautiful realms and beings at will.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #6918620 - 05/15/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It keeps getting better. Keep up the good work bro! :thumbup:

This is one of the best threads on the Shroomery. I think it's right up there with the "Recent LSD prints" thread and ChinaCat's "Crystal to blotter" and thumbprint threads.

I really want to try DMT and explore what's out there but the only thing holding me back is that I'm afraid such an intense mind blowing experience will weird me out or change me. I don't really want to be and weirder than I already am. :tongue:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #6919932 - 05/15/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: schmutzen]
    #6921247 - 05/15/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I read them all. Great stories.

I especially loved the one with soul travel.

I'm buying MHRB soon. I hope I break through on my first time, but at least I know its nice otherwise.

How close would you say a strong mushroom trip is to your breakthrough?


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - A lot of new material added. [Re: Feanor]
    #6925190 - 05/16/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Nice reports I really enjoyed reading them.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #6925285 - 05/16/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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In a book I read a ways back called "EVP and New Dimensions" the author, a former NASA scientist, postulates that the "white tunnel of light" commonly encountered by those that have Near death experiences is actually the other, or reverse-side of a black hole of some sort that leads to alternate dimensional frequencies of existence. He said he basically believes the black hole turns itself inside out at its end and becomes a white hole. And he thinks that they have the ability to completely alter reality and space-time.



Wow, very interesting. Well, that's a book that has just made it on my book list. I'm gonna check it out. Thanks for the tip. :thumbup:

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This is one of the best threads on the Shroomery. I think it's right up there with the "Recent LSD prints" thread and ChinaCat's "Crystal to blotter" and thumbprint threads.



Whoa, thank you very much! What an honor!

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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."



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How close would you say a strong mushroom trip is to your breakthrough?




A DMT breakthrough is an experience that is far from any other kind of experience. However, if I had to select an experience that is most similar to a DMT breakthrough, it would be that of a strong mushroom trip. Truly, they are highly different experiences, and yet, they sort of have a similar feeling to them, as if they were father and son, DMT being the father, and mushrooms being the son. They just have the same essence about them, which might be due to their highly similar chemical composition. It boils down to this: DMT will take you to places that mushrooms are incapable of taking you, and mushrooms will take you to places that DMT is incapable of taking you.

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Nice reports I really enjoyed reading them



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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #6981906 - 05/29/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The thing I like about DMT, is it's not a plant's defense mechanism like most other drugs we do.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: BrainChemicals]
    #7096804 - 06/26/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Just updated with a new trip report in my second post - Trip #22


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7098400 - 06/27/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

LOL @ your penis epiphany. It is an odd looking extension to be sure. haha

Look forward to your next updates brother.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7185473 - 07/16/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, EthericOctopuss!

I just updated with 2 new trip reports. :smile:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7187337 - 07/17/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Boy, if trip 24 doesn't lend credence to multiple dimensions, doorways, and creatures with command over them, I don't know what does. That was cool.

I would like to find out what the female being was going to show you through the water passageway! haha

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7271755 - 08/07/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Haha, thanks, EthericOctopuss!

I added two new reports in my second post in this thread.

The second report was by far the most intense experience I had ever experienced in my life.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7271941 - 08/07/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The 26th trip... is... man I don't know but damn I wish you could have said more... do you have any reflexions about it? I mean did you reflect a bit more on that trip? I'd like to hear some, if any.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7272482 - 08/07/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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The 26th trip... is... man I don't know but damn I wish you could have said more... do you have any reflexions about it? I mean did you reflect a bit more on that trip? I'd like to hear some, if any.



Thanks for the question. :smile:

Due to what had just happened, I was freaking out for quite some time after the trip. At first, I really wanted to reflect on the trip. I was going to a river, and I had originally planned on tripping on some Treasure Coast mushrooms. I had it all planned out. I was going to spend the night out on a rock in the middle of the river, trip on the mushrooms, and reflect on the DMT trip. However, when it was time to dose, I don't know what happened, but I just decided not to. I just didn't want to think about the trip. It's hard to explain. Perhaps some might think that I was unconsciously attempting to repress the memory, but I do not think that is it. It's just one of those things, one of those things that takes a lot of time to understand. It's not just something I'll be able to decipher in one night while tripping, but rather it's something that might even take years to understand. I'm still reflecting on it.

I do not think that the girl Elf was evil. She just really scared the shit out of me. She made present in me things that had once brought fear to my heart. The touch seemed to catalyze the fear. I'll edit the Chronicles when I finally derive exactly what was going on.

This is really how I felt after the 26th trip:
I have come to conclude that a DMT breakthrough is very peculiar. I've broken through many times. Therefore, a person would normally be inclined to think that I've grown to know what a DMT breakthrough is, and I certainly think that I know what a DMT breakthrough is. I know how it feels, and I know what it's like, and yet, I always seem to be caught off my gaurd when a DMT breakthrough occurrs. Nothing can prepare you for the breakthrough. Even if you've broken through many times, you'll still be caught off your gaurd. What I'm trying to say is that no matter how many times you've broken through, a DMT breakthrough will always shock, surprise, and astound you. It's just one of those things that you think you have become familiar with, but really, there's no possible way to become intimately familiar  with it. DMT will always surprise you. When you experience a DMT breakthrough, it's like it's always your first time to experience a DMT breakthrough.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7272710 - 08/08/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder what it was that caused so much fear and terror on trip 26? Do you think it was some sort of wavelength being projected or programming they did to your consciousness?

I've heard of abductees claiming to feel that same sort of terror when encountering the greys, even though their physical appearence really isn't imposing whatsoever. Sort of like a 'field' they put out to keep us with a healthy respect for them.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7273013 - 08/08/07 02:17 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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The experience made me loads weirder than I had been prior to it, and before the experience, I had been weird enough.




What do you mean by that?

I've always been scared that a full on DMT breakthrough would weird me out a little bit.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7273913 - 08/08/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I wonder what it was that caused so much fear and terror on trip 26? Do you think it was some sort of wavelength being projected or programming they did to your consciousness?

I've heard of abductees claiming to feel that same sort of terror when encountering the greys, even though their physical appearence really isn't imposing whatsoever. Sort of like a 'field' they put out to keep us with a healthy respect for them.




I do believe that the terror was brought about because of what I saw, what I really saw. I saw the truth, and a little part of me didn't want me to see the truth, and therefore, in an attempt to camouflage that which I really saw, the little part awoke fear inside of me, the fear serving as a defense mechanism. It is my belief that the Ego is broken up into two segments, an unconscious one and a conscious one. I have concluded this belief after scrutinizing study, after really examining the phenomena of an Ego Loss. Even when one is having an Ego Loss, they still will have random ‘outbursts’, random regurgitations of words that come from absolutely nowhere. Personally, during a Ego Loss, I remember saying the words ‘marijuana’ and ‘mushroom’ to myself, and yet, I had absolutely no idea what those two words meant, and yet, something inside of me, deep inside of me, knew those words and triggered me to blurt them out. I don’t believe that it was my Id, my instinctual self. My Superego is out of question. My Ego is left. However, my Ego is lost, so it can’t be that. Wait a second, perhaps it is my conscious Ego that had been obliterated, and my unconscious Ego was still present. This unconscious Ego is to be held responsible for the phenomenology of random ‘outbursts’. That’s what I think. There’s no way to break away that unconscious Ego, it will always be there with you. It was that unconscious Ego, I think, that awoke fear inside of me, because it’s counterpart, its brother, the conscious Ego, was basically having its life threatened. What I saw was the truth, for all of the preconditioning contrived by culture had been transcended, and I was staring at the immense dimension of opportunity. Naturally, a little part of me, my unconscious Ego perhaps, didn’t like this, for it threatened the life of its counterpart, and so, it awoke fear inside of me in order to get my mind as far away from the truth as it could.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7273970 - 08/08/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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The experience made me loads weirder than I had been prior to it, and before the experience, I had been weird enough.




What do you mean by that?

I've always been scared that a full on DMT breakthrough would weird me out a little bit.



Well, naturally, a DMT breakthrough changes you, it turns your life completely around numerous times. It changes your eyes, for now you have seem more, experienced more, way more in fact, than the everyday, ordinary chap in society. A DMT breakthrough can change you in ways that you aren’t even aware of. However, this is nothing to be scared of, but rather it is something to be thankful for. It makes you weird. Do you think that you are weird? Of course you don’t. However, the majority of people in society will consider you weird, will perceive you differently than you perceive yourself, for you have experienced something so great, so wonderful, so amazing, and they, they, have not experienced this, a large part of you is absent in them. The majority of people in society will perceive you as being weird, as being an oddball, because you have experienced an experience that they have not experienced. You, however, on the other hand, will perceive them as being weird, as being the oddball, because they have not experienced an experience that you have experienced. Becoming weird, being perceived by the majority as a freak, is nothing to be afraid of, for now you are no longer constricted by the natural, mundane mind.
There is a guy that I know who absolutely loves getting “fucked up”. He takes every single drug he can get his hands on, and he virtually is never sober a single moment. One of my best friends mentioned DMT to him, and he responded in a natural way. This is what he said, “Dude, I don’t want that shit, man. Have you seen the way those people (the people who use DMT) look? They’re fucking weird.”. I smiled when my friend told me this. In a sense, it is true.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7274582 - 08/08/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

This is by far the most fascinating post I have encountered on the Shroomery to date!  Thank you so much Longbottom_Leaf for creating these "DMT Chronicles"... 20 years from now when you have 200+ trip reports you should publish 'em.

Keep em comin'! :smile: :smile:

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: SaintDunsmere]
    #7274782 - 08/08/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for your answer! The world of DMT is fascinating me, but in some strange way I can't explain.

But I don't feel ready for it.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7350278 - 08/29/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I've updated. :smile:


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    #7353462 - 08/30/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I've updated. :smile:




Yes I read that!! Nice reports. How did the mushroom trip finish? Do you think that the mushrooms and the DMT were working on together during the trip(s) or that the DMT overwherlemed the mushrooms completly?!

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7356455 - 08/31/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

The mushroom trip turned out to be quite nice. Mushrooms and DMT, for me, are very similar in feel. However, apart from that aspect, they are immensely different. DMT is a form of transportation, a way to travel. I don't feel as if I'm tripping when on DMT, but rather I feel as if I'm traveling. Therefore, I'm usually 'sober' when I enter the Elf domain. However, when I take mushrooms, I'm not, and therefore, things are a bit different. I like them a lot, and so do the Elves.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7364187 - 09/03/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Mushrooms and DMT, for me, are very similar in feel.




We all know why :grin:
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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7436192 - 09/21/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Updated! :sun:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7437714 - 09/21/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Nice report!

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When my friend came back I told him, “Your time has come. The Elves are calling for you.” I told him that it was a sign. She took my word, and he’s going to visit them in a little bit. She told me, “I’ll do it after I finish my tests next week.” I told him, “Dude you don’t have to worry about that.”





Is your roommate a guy or a girl???


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7441173 - 09/22/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks!

I'm sure a lot of people are wondering about that. Anyways, I write it in that manner to protect her privacy. He doesn't want people to know his sex! :wink:
Also, the English languae only has neutrally-based gender pronouns, which means that a he can be a she, and a she can be a he. "She" is the correct terminology for a man, and it's also the correct terminology for a woman. It's all correct!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7465933 - 09/28/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I updated with a two new reports which may be found in my third post on the first page.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - Sept. 28 - Two New Reports [Re: Feanor]
    #7471366 - 09/30/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for this, makes me want to try DMT even more now.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - Sept. 28 - Two New Reports [Re: Oposx]
    #7493018 - 10/06/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, Oposx. :smile:

Well, I have concluded The DMT Chronicles. The conclusion, along with some pictures, may be found in my third post on the first page. Thank you for reading! :sun:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - Sept. 28 - Two New Reports [Re: Feanor]
    #7493307 - 10/07/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent, Man.  So glad you have found what you were searching for...for now.  Muwahahahahahaha!;)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - Sept. 28 - Two New Reports [Re: VirgilKane]
    #7494323 - 10/07/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome as usual bro. Hopefully now that you've reached full enlightenment, the plagues and stresses of this reality will not wear on your spirit as much. We're here for such a short time when one considers that what is inside of us at our center is timeless, and what awaits us outside of this test is unlimited. Consciousness and it's collectivity are truly amazing. The multiverse, multiversal beings, and their unending possibilities are truly awe inspiring IMHO. At our core we have it, and them, all folded within our spark. You have been so fortunate to access this and guide it. I'm seeking this out as well. My intuition screams that this is part of my energetic path, no matter which way I gain access to this path (through heavy meditation, trance, or psychedelic states). I just know that there is so much more surrounding us than what we have been preconditioned to percieve with our limited senses.

Even though your chemically-induced psychonautical voyages are in their retirement stages, I think your evolved consciousness will be forever stepping with one foot in this reality and another through the other doors. Hopefully you'll continue sharing what you see and feel through this evolved set of senses, with or without exogenous tryptaminic transportation.

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    #7497566 - 10/08/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Glad you found what you were looking for :smile:

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    #7515939 - 10/14/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Just out of curiosity, do you buy the DMT from someone or order MHRB online and then do extractions for yourself?

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    #7516654 - 10/14/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This is by far the best thread in the Trip Reports Forum, it's sad to see it come to an end, but I'm glad you've found what you've been looking for.

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    #7516758 - 10/14/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Just out of curiosity, do you buy the DMT from someone or order MHRB online and then do extractions for yourself?



Extracting yourself is very simple, so the latter.

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    #7518020 - 10/14/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, S, T, and A. :smile:

And thank you too, Dingleberrysalad. Don't worry - The DMT Chronicles aren't over, really. I'm simply on a vacation. In a little bit, I'll be back home again, embarking on a new journey, searching for a new treasure. Yes, that does sound a bit ironic. I don't know how long the interval will be, but, be rest assured, it shall only be temporary - just a little breather to get out and about and strech my legs before I take another deep plunge into the Elf world.

Adagio is right. People just don't sell DMT like they sell pot! :wink:


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    #7518759 - 10/15/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Thank you, S, T, and A. :smile:

And thank you too, Dingleberrysalad. Don't worry - The DMT Chronicles aren't over, really. I'm simply on a vacation. In a little bit, I'll be back home again, embarking on a new journey, searching for a new treasure. Yes, that does sound a bit ironic. I don't know how long the interval will be, but, be rest assured, it shall only be temporary - just a little breather to get out and about and strech my legs before I take another deep plunge into the Elf world.

Adagio is right. People just don't sell DMT like they sell pot! :wink:




Funny you should mention that. I asked a local ganja dealer the other day if he could get ahold of shrooms, Cid or DMT, and he looked at me in horror and said, "Dude, I don't mess with that crazy shit!"  LMAO!

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7598495 - 11/05/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

WOW

Amazing.

I've only read a few so far, but I will be reading the rest today.

Very Very detailed and impressive.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #7610264 - 11/08/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I liked your conclusion about the blue and yellow sky. That's a good conclusion to reach. I hope you feel better about your life in general now.

Maybe next time around you'll experiment with Torch, which personally I find to be very gentle, on the body, in comparison to Shrooms. And smoking stuff.

I think you need to look into Dzogchen and Namkhai Norbu. Not because you 'need' it per se, but because I think that Dzogchen will help you get a sense of what is merely mind, and what is the 'elf-space' (rigpa) and how to contact it without dope, which as you know fucks up your lungs.

Moreover, it is about the only cult that I believe has some value anymore.

Of course you could always get into shamanism officially but it seems to me you sort of went beyond that in some ways already. And there's always the problem of what do you do when the cops takes away your bag of tricks and you are in jail for dope possession? Can you survive that? I am not trying to be a smart ass. But true spirituality needs to be duplicatable in adverse conditions or else what sort of peace of mind cn one really have?


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: Feanor]
    #7792510 - 12/23/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wow man grate, dmt sounds like the one but I know how insane mushrooms can make you feel at times,

I was reading that dmt dosnt give you that feelin of insanity that pyclobin dose lol


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: Feanor]
    #8018995 - 02/13/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This thread is a great comtriubution to the shroomery. I never did DMT. Maybe I will some day. But I appreciate getting some faint insight into what it is. I apprectiate that you were able to remmeber what you saw and express it too.
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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: Feanor]
    #8021433 - 02/14/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is an excellent thread.

Your last report resonated with some of the thoughts and feelings I've been having regarding my own experiences recently.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: theorganicdomino]
    #8029247 - 02/15/08 09:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Really appreciated that you wrote this. I could definitely see this kind of documentation in a book of some sort as others have said. The last entry, 33, was something else. The part about the colour of sun and sky was a great summation. Shnezbit, thanks for bumping this.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: WScott]
    #8054656 - 02/21/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you all for the comments. :smile:

In some time, I will begin a new journey and traverse beyond the psychedelic once again. Although it's been quite some time since my last DMT experience, the teachings I've gained from the Elves are still assimilating themselves inside my mind. Soon though, after I've figured everything out, I will pick up my little glass pipe and embark upon another expedition, seeking out new knowledge.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: Feanor]
    #8091628 - 03/01/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have added two new trip reports to The DMT Chronicles. The last trip resulted in an absoutely amazing Breakthrough.



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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: Feanor]
    #8091859 - 03/01/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's cool dude. Your trip reports are book-worthy. :thumbup: Is the author a shroomery member?

So are you done with DMT for good now? The elves have taught you all there is to be taught???


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: RobMarley420]
    #8093492 - 03/02/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, man.

The author isn't a Shroomery member, but he does read the Shroomery quite a bit.

For now, I am definitely done with DMT. For life, I'm not sure if I'm done with it. The Elves have taught me a lot, but I know that there is so much more to learn. I think that what they have taught me needs some more time to sink in. I'm not going to journey back to their world until I feel confident that it is time. It will probably be a while, probably a few years - that, I feel certain in saying. It's going to be a pleasure, however, to watch others traverse beyond the psychedelic.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: Feanor]
    #8123244 - 03/09/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I got and read the book-Fantastic stuff. Really quite heavy too. The relevance of its contents and how the gov and religious establishments try to keep us from pursuing self discovery with these tools has never been more timely and important than in thus current era. It's a must-read IMHO.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - COMPLETED - I'm done. [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #8123579 - 03/09/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i love the dmt chronicles
ive been a reader for a while now :cool:

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - UPDATED TRIPS & Publication News [Re: Feanor]
    #8543282 - 06/20/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I was reading about DMT on wikipedia.  This thread was linked in the article.  It was this link that allowed me to discover this website.

Very interesting trips.  I read the first whole post.

I've never used DMT, but remain very sceptical regarding any reality behind one's experiences thereon.

Nevertheless, very interesting stuff.  Much better description than the crappy description given on other websites.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - UPDATED TRIPS & Publication News [Re: anarchist1776]
    #8544054 - 06/20/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I think you have to experience it to believe it.

As for me, I'm not yet ready :hippie:

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - UPDATED TRIPS & Publication News [Re: anarchist1776]
    #8545726 - 06/20/08 09:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"We do not possess imagination enough to sense what we are missing".
                                                                 
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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - UPDATED TRIPS & Publication News [Re: Robo]
    #8558756 - 06/24/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Justice_Fish,

I doubt I would change my mind through the experience.  I have seen God in my dreams, yet I do not wander from my agnosticism.  I admit the remote possibility that God has spoken to me in my dreams, but I see no rational reason to believe that this is necessarily the case, that my dreams are anything but a product of my subconscious.

I'm sorry is that sounds cold.  I don't mean to challenge anyone's belief structures at this time, but simply to illustrate the root of my scepticism.

Omni,

Do I possess enough imagination to hold that not everything I experience under the influence of a drug is real?  Your use of that quote is not ill-advised--you're clearly appealing to me sense of scepticism by using it.  Thus, your reply is a very strong one.  Nevertheless, scepticism is a two-way street, as my question illustrates.

I'll admit this much: it's not beyond the realm of possibility that this alternate dimension actually exists, or that Feanor has visited it.  It is my perspective that it does not, and that his experience was fully within in own head.  I admit my perspective could be theoretically incorrect.

Ultimately, neither of us has any form of objective proof to back up our divergent perspectives.  I respectfully maintain the a priori assumption that the universe I seem to now experience is real, and that alternative dimensions cannot be reached through the physical means of drug use.

Respectfully yours,
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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - UPDATED TRIPS & Publication News [Re: anarchist1776]
    #8560390 - 06/24/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Good job buddy, a great read:thumbup:

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Traversing Beyond the Psychedelic - UPDATED TRIPS & Publication News [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8566812 - 06/26/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

feanor.
this is simply one of the most incredible and immersing pieces of writing I have had the pleasure to read in my life.

i am awestruck by dmt.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #8571104 - 06/27/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

what is the method you used to extract the DMT?
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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: kerrda]
    #8587601 - 07/02/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I don't make the DMT myself, but I know the guy who does. I believe that when it comes to extractions he performs an extraction on the DMT containing material with highly diluted acetic acid as his solvent. He uses moderate heat to speed up the process. He then makes his solvent basic by adding either KOH or NaOH to the solution. Then, he extracts again with another solvent, such as DCM or Naptha. He then concentrates the pulls and allows the DMT crystals to precipitate out via freeze precipitation.

I'm sure that you can find some good teks on the net. :mushroom2:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #8587634 - 07/02/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

THANK YOU!!!
I'm going to be using a similar method next week for the first time.

Btw great writing :]

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: kerrda]
    #8879901 - 09/04/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I'm new to this thread just finding it, I could go into detail of all the times I've broke threw, but I've decided not too, for me the experience itself is far far to rich in unfamiliar feel and a completly inexplainable reality. So I've decided to just give people the experience, I always give away dmt, to people who've never tried it, I'm all about blasting people into space. If done in the right way, the dust can do amazingly powerfull things. As me and my friend so call it the body of christ. For me, lately I break threw everytime, I've gotten the technique down very well. The onset is nearly instantaneous, I never remember exhaling. 40-60mg each time, bout once a month. The stuff has inspired me to represent my human body via sound, changed the way I see everything in this world, changed how I view psychedelics completely. It is an absolute , it literally transports 'you' to somewhere else, in space or time.

I hear all this talk of elves, honestly I dont really see them as elves, alot of times they are very very short, and sometimes I'll break threw and fall backward, and I will open up my eyes and I'll see them walking together so sychronized, and lifting me up on a stretcher, but they never put anything under me or really grab anything, I see the tops of them. To me they always look like those old chinese conical hats. But thats speaking in the most generic and human bound description./ The texture of reality, is infinitely complex, the more you look and try and make sense out of something, the more it becomes complex, looking at your hands for instance, the prints on your fingertips will twist and spin around, the surface of this world, is incredibly geometric, incredibally self-symmetric, and profoundly color-full. I tend to think at most points during this time I'm experiencing synesthesia, but our normal human bound sense dont exist. I guess for someone who hasnt broke threw on dmt this may not make a whole lot of sense, but you know I'm seeing, but I can't honestly say I'm using my eyes, that sorta thing.


But I just can't help but wonder, you think the 'elves' smoke some sort of substance and blast themselves into the human reality? :boobs:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: snoot]
    #8879909 - 09/04/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had to take more then one hit to break threw. Work the puddle inhale slowly, dont burn it, & have quality product. Nothing like homogenus n,n-dmt. Good luck and safe travels.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: snoot]
    #8881762 - 09/05/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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The texture of reality, is infinitely complex, the more you look and try and make sense out of something, the more it becomes complex, looking at your hands for instance, the prints on your fingertips will twist and spin around, the surface of this world, is incredibly geometric, incredibally self-symmetric, and profoundly color-full.




Wait a minute... If you can still see your fingertips, is that even a full on breakthrough??? I thought when you breakthrough physical reality doesn't even exist anymore and you're pretty much unconcious.

I've had an intese DMT trip where I couldn't see anything in the pysical world, just constantly colorchanging and shape-shifting barbells, but I still didn't even think this was a full on breakthough because I could still talk and I was still concious, I just couldn't SEE anything in physical reality.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: RobMarley420]
    #8980603 - 09/24/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

this is my first post as a member, and i've decided to grace this wonderful thread with it. beautiful. i can't wait until the day i may finally journey into the unknown elf spice realm.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Grateful Soul]
    #9030543 - 10/04/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, read all of the posts today and I am so happy to read that you found what you were looking for.  On a mushroom trip in Alaska, I came upon a remarkably similar conclusion and it has changed my life profoundly.  I look unto the world through a different set of eyes and its remarkable beauty is enough to overwhelm me at every moment of the day.  I have never tried DMT, but it is something that I may try in the future, if it is meant to be.  I am curious if you have ever tried ayahuasca because it sounds a lot like DMT.  Thanks for the great post again!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: cosmicwarrior]
    #9171343 - 11/02/08 05:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i rally enjoyed reading your trip reports. i am thinking of trying DMT for the first time soon and hope i can get as much out of it as you have. im really looking forward to it and hope it is not too much of a shock for me!!

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: tomexe]
    #10920724 - 08/23/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I will be updating this regularly. I'm removing The DMT Chronicles for now, as they are being rigorously edited. When I finish a section, I will add it on here. I hope you enjoy. Thanks for reading.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #10925265 - 08/24/09 08:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome Feanor. I think your DMT chronicles are a very important record of the DMT experience. Good luck.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: DimensionX]
    #10926903 - 08/24/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

looking forward to reading through your book :-)

ive just recently became fascinated with DMT (not tried it yet) after reading extensivly about it.

I knew about it a few years ago, but was somwhat frightened by it.


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    #10964114 - 08/29/09 11:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I am looking forward to the updated :thumbup:

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    #11000075 - 09/04/09 05:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I updated with a new chapter (Ch. 1). Thanks for reading.


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    #11008196 - 09/06/09 07:18 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That was a very interesting and engrossing read. Great work Feanor.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #11011126 - 09/06/09 06:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I just read through chapter 1 and now I'm hooked!

I can't wait for the updates. :merkaba:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: FractalDust]
    #11058811 - 09/14/09 04:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I updated with a new chapter (Ch.2). Thanks for reading!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: Feanor]
    #11166506 - 10/01/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have no intention of coming out of Retirement....:crazy2:

Ahh my young friend.. I was worried about you for the two or so years that we did not talk.. I have always kept your cell number and knew that one day an old friend would call.. I enjoyed your read but as you know im a simple minded person and I enjoy keeping my life as simple as possible.. You on the other hand were a force to reckon with.. I watched you grow for a couple years and was sad to see you go and even sadder to here of all the shit that you were going threw..

I'm glad that you battled your inner demons and that you came out on top with a clear head and an even clearer plan for the future..
Im proud to call you my brother and I look forward to more reports from you..

Oh and BTW That photo of you and the "Cube Vision" was taken the day we got turned around in the woods at aria 51 and the same day that my wife and kids were in that terrible auto accident...

Proud of you man!

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    #11169583 - 10/02/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yessup! you are the bomb!!


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    #11358101 - 10/31/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Good to have you back, Yessup!

I updated with Ch. 3. Thanks for reading.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: Feanor]
    #11434507 - 11/11/09 04:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Chapter 3 was awesome.  I can't get enough of your book.  I keep checking back for more.  Thank you Feanor.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: mastagata]
    #11457958 - 11/15/09 02:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm new to the shroomery and
I'm so glad to have somehow stumbled upon this thread a few days ago.
I've read through all of your chapters so far.
It was greatly eye opening.
A trip to another realm on DMT is one of the things I absolutely have to experience before I die.
Thanks for posting about it!
Can't wait for your next updates!

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: meow0rz]
    #11567332 - 12/01/09 11:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for the comments, Mastagata and meowOrz. They are greatly appreciated!

Well, I have updated with a new chapter. Ch. 4 - DMT Bound details how I stumbled upon DMT. It can be found in my second post on the first page. I couldn't post it in my first post, because it made the post too long.

Once again, thanks for reading, and if you'd like to receive an email, notifying you of updates, go ahead and pm me your email address, and I'll let you know when I update The DMT Chronicles.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: Feanor]
    #11567550 - 12/02/09 12:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Chapter 4 was a great read as always. You've also mastered the art of the cliffhanger. :lol:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: Feanor]
    #11567551 - 12/02/09 12:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I dig what you're doing with these reports, Bro.  Keep up the good work!

Hard to believe it's been we met so many years ago...seems like only yesterday.

Now who's the chemist? :lol:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: VirgilKane]
    #11567729 - 12/02/09 01:32 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

As a born and raised Texan and chemist who has walked the cow patty infested fields of South East Texas I commend you on your ability to hide the mother load from me. :mushroom2:  :grin:

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: Feanor]
    #11568100 - 12/02/09 05:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Take note on the penis comment and get the hormone levels checked out, if you are pissing yourself in front of men then there might be something biologically impared in the organism that reads this.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: FractalDust]
    #11571489 - 12/02/09 06:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Chapter 4 was a great read as always. You've also mastered the art of the cliffhanger. :lol:




I know the cliffhanger's drive me crazy. :lol: now i'm like AGH I WANT TO HEAR THE DMT REPORT!

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: veda_sticks]
    #11576329 - 12/03/09 11:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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looking forward to reading through your book :-)

ive just recently became fascinated with DMT (not tried it yet) after reading extensivly about it.

I knew about it a few years ago, but was somwhat frightened by it.




you can read all you want but nothing will prepare you for the aw inspiring effects of such a simply produce substance. Nothing that I have experienced yet has changed the way I look apon this world as much as n,n-dmt straight to dome has. I often think about starting a sort of Church Of DMT to share such things with the public. Aslong as I can produce the proper enviorment to keep things safe mentally and physically I dont see the problem. Kinda like strassmans Cottonwood Research.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: mastagata]
    #11577023 - 12/03/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry about the cliffhanger! I'll try and write up the next chapter within the next few days.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Updated 9/14/09 [Re: Feanor]
    #11591493 - 12/05/09 05:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

As promised, I updated with a new chapter, Ch. 5 - Parmenides and the Elf Goddess. It can be found in my third post on the first page of this thread. It's a bit long. Thanks for reading!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #11592570 - 12/05/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

awesome update.  i love how rational it is.  :lol:

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: mastagata]
    #11597751 - 12/06/09 05:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

just re-read parmenides poem.  interesting stuff man.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: mastagata]
    #11831063 - 01/14/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, mastagata.

Well, I updated The DMT Chronicles with a new chapter, Ch. 6 - A Monistic View. The update was made on 1/14/10. It can be found on my fourth post on the first page of this thread.

Thanks for reading.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #11883583 - 01/23/10 02:46 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome man, I'm really enjoying these posts. Thank you! :mushroom2:


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: FractalDust]
    #11945589 - 02/01/10 11:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks a lot, FractalDust.

Well, I updated The DMT Chronicles with a new chapter, Ch. 7 - What is the Psychedelic? It can be found in my fifth post on the first page of this thread. Thanks a lot for reading!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #11946894 - 02/02/10 09:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Great new post Feanor.  On one of my LSD trips the symbolism of Plato's Allegory of the Cave was present throughout the entire trip.

Can't wait to hear about the platonic forms.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: mastagata]
    #12245465 - 03/21/10 10:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I updated The DMT Chronicles with a new chapter about Platonic Forms on the first page of this thread. I hope you enjoy it!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #12706837 - 06/08/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I updated The DMT Chronicles with Ch. 10, which describes a Platonic view of religion. It can be found on the first page of this thread towards the bottom of my 6th post. Good day!


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Feanor]
    #12926765 - 07/20/10 07:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Bump, y'all should read these if you haven't already.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: FractalDust]
    #12928374 - 07/21/10 03:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: The DMT Chronicles - UPDATED 1/17 [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #13096834 - 08/24/10 06:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, guys. I updated with a new Chapter - Ch. 11 - A Platonic View of the Soul.

It can be found in my seventh post on the first page. Thanks for reading.

The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic has been published.

Here's a link to the book:

http://www.amazon.com/DMT-Chronicles-Parmenides-Plato-Psychedelic/dp/0982730209/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283473426&sr=8-1

About the book:

"In my opinion, this book stands alongside many other books from more famous authors in the psychedelic movement, such as Terence McKenna and Timothy Leary. Parts of it made me laugh hysterically, while other parts of it helped me gain insight into the great philosophical minds of antiquity. It is a book that every entheogen enthusiast must read!" - Krystle A. Cole

"Following in the footsteps of his pseudonym's namesake, Terence documents his headlong dive into the deepest realms of the DMT experience in search of the Machine Elves and their wisdom." - Martin W. Ball

This is the story about an undergraduate who is obsessed with two things: DMT and philosophy. Having come upon a surplus of DMT, Terence Turner embarks on numerous psychedelic odysseys, repeatedly coming into contact with McKenna's Self-Transforming Machine Elves. What follows is a transparent account of his psychedelic experiences coupled with various Platonic and other philosophical notions.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press [Re: Feanor]
    #13629468 - 12/13/10 11:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

this guy is bullshitting if hes 21 years old then how  the hell did he do 7 yers at texas university


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press [Re: ZULUFOX305]
    #14682678 - 06/27/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I found an old print out of some of these chapters but they were all cut off so I came back to see what came of this thread.  cool to find that the book was finally published.  anyone order and read it yet?

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press [Re: Feanor]
    #15213345 - 10/12/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Check out this amazing documentary on consciousness, spirituality, science and of course....DMT :wink:
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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press [Re: visionstream]
    #15215312 - 10/12/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen  it.  Their youtube account has a ton of videos to watch for free and also the latest upload is the experience section of the movie.  Awesome hearing phD talk about this stuff.

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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press [Re: WannaBeLegit]
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I've seen  it.  Their youtube account has a ton of videos to watch for free and also the latest upload is the experience section of the movie.  Awesome hearing phD talk about this stuff.



yeah, its called DMTRemix its going to be a full site full of interviews. so awesome. I cant stop watching the documentary.


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Re: The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press [Re: visionstream]
    #15257922 - 10/21/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

anyone who says they have it all figured out immediately draws my skepticism. that being said, i am intrigued and would at least give the book a whirl.


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