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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: Schwip]
    #6429501 - 01/05/07 09:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Schwip said:
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crakkattak said:
?????

Is it illegal to sell hallucinogic mushroom spores on the internet? I thought it was legal in the US as long as it wasn't in those three states

This is awkward, I've recently purchased from sporesource.com, but I don't want to be a person making illegal purchases on the net




Thats the first thing that came to my mind after reading that.

Yes the child porn is pretty well inexcusable.

But what i find more disturbing (on a different level) is that they were investigating this company's sales of spores actively enough to find the child porn.





No you misread it.
They just searched the computers after he got raided, and found a file that had the no no files.
Not like they where mapping all of his internet usage.

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: learysprotoge]
    #6429523 - 01/05/07 09:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

If your just now finding out about this YOU had better start paying attention!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6278935/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

Shroomery is right on top of it! :tongue: And for the crakattack guy or whatever, you said you had just recently ordered? When was that?!?! The site has been CLOSED for two months! If I had an order out over two months old, I would have said something MUCH sooner then this! :wink:

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: SaturnGlass]
    #6429772 - 01/05/07 11:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I say the p0lice blew this one outta proportion. The dude prolly downloaded a bunch of porn, like 18 gigs of the shit.. possibly might have been sharing it via P2P, they investigated his spore business, and of course they would analyze his comp. out of the 23,420 images found, 3 of them were underage.. enough to slap a child porn charge on him. The dude might not even be a child porn kinda person.. but then again.. he could be.

I know one thing though... if he was producing his own spores, he shouldnt have done it at his business/home address.


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: jdirty]
    #6429858 - 01/06/07 12:27 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think they'd honestly be able to account for 148 cases of 17 year olds?


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #6432539 - 01/06/07 08:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

anyone with a shitload of spyware/trojans could easily end up with a lot of child pron on their computers... who knows if he even knew about it. come on people you should know that if the govt wanted to nab someone good they could easily have someone conveniently put some child pron onto their computer.


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: learysprotoge]
    #6432827 - 01/06/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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learysprotoge said:
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Schwip said:
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crakkattak said:
?????

Is it illegal to sell hallucinogic mushroom spores on the internet? I thought it was legal in the US as long as it wasn't in those three states

This is awkward, I've recently purchased from sporesource.com, but I don't want to be a person making illegal purchases on the net




Thats the first thing that came to my mind after reading that.

Yes the child porn is pretty well inexcusable.

But what i find more disturbing (on a different level) is that they were investigating this company's sales of spores actively enough to find the child porn.





No you misread it.
They just searched the computers after he got raided, and found a file that had the no no files.
Not like they where mapping all of his internet usage.




Yes. I know.

I meant what led to the raid. Just the general investigaion. All that shit.


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: kake]
    #6432833 - 01/06/07 09:29 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I dont see how even a person with just basic computer knowledge could have a bunch of anysort of pics on his computer that he did not place there and NOT know about it.


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: Schwip]
    #6432843 - 01/06/07 09:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

:puke:


the mushrooms deserves so much better... :nonono:


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: marybell]
    #6434857 - 01/07/07 02:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"I dont see how even a person with just basic computer knowledge could have a bunch of anysort of pics on his computer that he did not place there and NOT know about it. "

Even people with vast computer knowledge can get shitty a shitty virus. Almost everyone, with antivirus software or not, has tons of shitty tracking cookie files on their computer whether they know it or not. Of all the terrible things a virus or trojan can do, downloading images to a hidden folder is absolutely no serious task. I really don't think this is at all a common thing for a virus to do, but that's not because it is in any way difficult.

The only real reason I can think of for such a trojan would be to actually use the infected computer to host the files for others. And yes, even pirated ftp servers are commonly put up on people's computers without them being any the wiser. One would think this ideal for kiddie porn freaks, as I can imagine one of the difficulties in such a sick life is having a place to host such images, since someone would have to be absolutely stupid to do so in the US.

Anyway... just pointing out that it isn't in any way impossible to have files downloaded to your computer without you knowing. One time I found a french ftp running on my computer, as I noticed the upload speed was constantly high (Heh, a max of 30 kbs... they must have been desperate). It somehow managed to get around norton, firewall, and some spyware programs. Pretty funny though that they had to upload some stupid french movies to me before hosting them. I'm not saying this is what happened with sporesource, just some pointless commenting. :wink:


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #6435850 - 01/07/07 06:48 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Koala Koolio said:
"I dont see how even a person with just basic computer knowledge could have a bunch of anysort of pics on his computer that he did not place there and NOT know about it. "

Even people with vast computer knowledge can get shitty a shitty virus. Almost everyone, with antivirus software or not, has tons of shitty tracking cookie files on their computer whether they know it or not. Of all the terrible things a virus or trojan can do, downloading images to a hidden folder is absolutely no serious task. I really don't think this is at all a common thing for a virus to do, but that's not because it is in any way difficult.

The only real reason I can think of for such a trojan would be to actually use the infected computer to host the files for others. And yes, even pirated ftp servers are commonly put up on people's computers without them being any the wiser. One would think this ideal for kiddie porn freaks, as I can imagine one of the difficulties in such a sick life is having a place to host such images, since someone would have to be absolutely stupid to do so in the US.

Anyway... just pointing out that it isn't in any way impossible to have files downloaded to your computer without you knowing. One time I found a french ftp running on my computer, as I noticed the upload speed was constantly high (Heh, a max of 30 kbs... they must have been desperate). It somehow managed to get around norton, firewall, and some spyware programs. Pretty funny though that they had to upload some stupid french movies to me before hosting them. I'm not saying this is what happened with sporesource, just some pointless commenting. :wink:




Excellent points.  Distro groups do whatever they can to distribute their releases.

My honest concern is for his customers, though.  If he was cultivating mushrooms to obtain his spores, he knew he was breaking the law and was in for it.  But his customers deserve better.  I hope any records of orders he filled don't end up in the wrong hands.

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: etam]
    #6435898 - 01/07/07 06:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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etam said:
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Koala Koolio said:
"I dont see how even a person with just basic computer knowledge could have a bunch of anysort of pics on his computer that he did not place there and NOT know about it. "

Even people with vast computer knowledge can get shitty a shitty virus. Almost everyone, with antivirus software or not, has tons of shitty tracking cookie files on their computer whether they know it or not. Of all the terrible things a virus or trojan can do, downloading images to a hidden folder is absolutely no serious task. I really don't think this is at all a common thing for a virus to do, but that's not because it is in any way difficult.

The only real reason I can think of for such a trojan would be to actually use the infected computer to host the files for others. And yes, even pirated ftp servers are commonly put up on people's computers without them being any the wiser. One would think this ideal for kiddie porn freaks, as I can imagine one of the difficulties in such a sick life is having a place to host such images, since someone would have to be absolutely stupid to do so in the US.

Anyway... just pointing out that it isn't in any way impossible to have files downloaded to your computer without you knowing. One time I found a french ftp running on my computer, as I noticed the upload speed was constantly high (Heh, a max of 30 kbs... they must have been desperate). It somehow managed to get around norton, firewall, and some spyware programs. Pretty funny though that they had to upload some stupid french movies to me before hosting them. I'm not saying this is what happened with sporesource, just some pointless commenting. :wink:




Excellent points.  Distro groups do whatever they can to distribute their releases.

My honest concern is for his customers, though.  If he was cultivating mushrooms to obtain his spores, he knew he was breaking the law and was in for it.  But his customers deserve better.  I hope any records of orders he filled don't end up in the wrong hands.




We only study the spores, if the dea wants to come check every single person if they have a list then so be it. Have fun gettin a warrant to search a house based on somethin that was purchased LEGALLY!!
Wait, bush is president and our rights went out the window with the patriat act :shocked:
Scratch all that!

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: SaturnGlass]
    #6437455 - 01/08/07 07:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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We only study the spores, if the dea wants to come check every single person if they have a list then so be it. Have fun gettin a warrant to search a house based on somethin that was purchased LEGALLY!!
Wait, bush is president and our rights went out the window with the patriat act :shocked:
Scratch all that!




Spores make drugs -> Drugs "fund terrorism" -> Buying spores = supporting terrorism -> NO WARRANT NECESSARY

I doubt it will come to that, but the way bills are written and these FUCKED UP signing statements, allow for alot of open interpretation and unconstitutional use of these laws.

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: dedjam]
    #6437845 - 01/08/07 10:26 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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gopenguins said:
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SaturnGlass said:
We only study the spores, if the dea wants to come check every single person if they have a list then so be it. Have fun gettin a warrant to search a house based on somethin that was purchased LEGALLY!!
Wait, bush is president and our rights went out the window with the patriat act :shocked:
Scratch all that!




Spores make drugs -> Drugs "fund terrorism" -> Buying spores = supporting terrorism -> NO WARRANT NECESSARY

I doubt it will come to that, but the way bills are written and these FUCKED UP signing statements, allow for alot of open interpretation and unconstitutional use of these laws.




Exactly.  I also highly doubt it would ever come to that, but I wouldn't want my name in THE database of people who are known to have purchased spores.

Which now undoubtedly exists.  To some extent.

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: etam]
    #6440616 - 01/09/07 02:54 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I always wondered about this but it turns out selling spores is enough evidence to get a warrant. Any vendor with a website may be searched at anytime. Cops could just plant mushrooms on everyone of em and no one would think twice about it :shocked:

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: Meth]
    #6440701 - 01/09/07 04:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I always wondered about this but it turns out selling spores is enough evidence to get a warrant. Any vendor with a website may be searched at anytime. Cops could just plant mushrooms on everyone of em and no one would think twice about it :shocked:




Now, lets not jump to conclusions here.

No where is it mentioned the basis of the original search warrant was JUST selling spores.

We know selling spores brought them under scrutiny.
But the hard facts about the original investigation stop there as far as that original warrant is concerned.


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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: Schwip]
    #6442442 - 01/09/07 05:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Schwip said:
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Meth said:
I always wondered about this but it turns out selling spores is enough evidence to get a warrant. Any vendor with a website may be searched at anytime. Cops could just plant mushrooms on everyone of em and no one would think twice about it :shocked:




Now, lets not jump to conclusions here.

No where is it mentioned the basis of the original search warrant was JUST selling spores.

We know selling spores brought them under scrutiny.
But the hard facts about the original investigation stop there as far as that original warrant is concerned.




The news article said they had reason to believe he was cultivating to obtain the spores he sold.  That's where the warrant came from.

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Re: owner of sporesource arrested for child pornography [Re: elsig]
    #6444032 - 01/10/07 01:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

this is a good thing

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