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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6454872 - 01/13/07 08:32 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

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I believe the figure is closer to 60%, but in any case, I think the answer is complex. I don't want to excuse any violent offenders for their actions, but we must remember that much of the prison population is comprised of nonviolent drug offenders, and blacks comprise a majority of those offenders as well.




And something like 90% of violent offenders. America's extreme crime problem is minority-driven. I think it results from the fact that you cannot design one culture for two or more ethnic groups. I don't blame minorities; I blame multiculturalism for being a total failure.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Conservationist]
    #6455197 - 01/13/07 11:15 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

I don't buy that without some further info...

What is it about our culture that is unsuitable for negroes?

The Irish, for example, integrated well into our culture. As did the Germans, Spanish, Italians, Greeks, etc. etc.

The negro is the only race that did not. Multiculturalism is not to blame, it must be the negro.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6455202 - 01/13/07 11:17 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

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What is it about our culture that is unsuitable for negroes?






Work


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6455204 - 01/13/07 11:18 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

I apologize for the above post. I don't know what got into me.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6455205 - 01/13/07 11:18 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

You're on to something there I think.

Excuse my ninja edit.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6455215 - 01/13/07 11:20 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

I was wondering what happened.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6455224 - 01/13/07 11:23 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

Often after I hit the post button I'll think of more that I should add.

My mind races like that when I'm high.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6455236 - 01/13/07 11:30 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)



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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: robbyberto]
    #6455282 - 01/13/07 11:54 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

Wow, according to the negroes' bell curve there are no negroes at all with my intelligence. (140)


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6456236 - 01/13/07 05:18 PM (17 years, 18 days ago)

every black person i know has a job.

One of my neighbors is a principal at a school. He leaves the house at 5:30 every morning. He's black.

i think you guys are a bunch of sheltered racists.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #6456367 - 01/13/07 06:01 PM (17 years, 18 days ago)

I would be more interested in knowing their employment rate vs. their welfare rate, compared with that of other races.

Your situation could very well be an exception to the overall condition.

I am neither a racist nor an apologist, I'm a realist. The apologists usually lump me in with the racists though.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6456608 - 01/13/07 08:09 PM (17 years, 18 days ago)

Lets ask someone there opinion, then call them a raciest.Because, they didn't like your opinion. :rolleyes:


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6456610 - 01/13/07 08:09 PM (17 years, 18 days ago)

The system, poverty, racism, culture, rebellion against the system, stigma, drugs dealing, and many other factors contribute to the high percentage of blacks being locked up.

Their more threatening looking I guess, cause they usually bigger, they're also different contrast in color makes them easier to spot, the underbelly of poverty is bad, alot of hardcore drugs, theft, violence, overpopulated ghetto areas, all these things go hand n hand, I've been in these areas.

I've been almost jacked by five blacks, I've been around black groups who where into jacking and rapping and all kinds of really bad stuff, its funny these black ghetto gangsters are also run rampant with alot of homosexuality, maybe its blowback from the penal system, also they do irrational things like shootings over a pack of smokes or some small drug deal, that shows a lack of intelligence or education, gangs are also a factor, you have different ethnic groups fighting one another, and black kill blacks more than any other people, so they do alot of it to themselves


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: capliberty]
    #6456740 - 01/13/07 09:14 PM (17 years, 18 days ago)

having just today got out of prison I can tell you the numbers aren't all that skewed. It was surprising to see th number of white people in there


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6456831 - 01/13/07 10:01 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

saying black people don't like to work isn't a racist statement? Or is that realism?

i know a whole lot of lazy white people that don't do shit for anybody. People are people.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #6458149 - 01/14/07 10:17 AM (17 years, 17 days ago)

White people haven't made it an apparent feature of their culture to not work.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6458870 - 01/14/07 02:18 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

Why should they have to work when they have six kids and there kids have kids.So they can, get more welfare and food stamps.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6459060 - 01/14/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 17 days ago)

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White people haven't made it an apparent feature of their culture to not work.



I think they have, specifically France and the United Automobile Workers.

Additionally, anyone swayed by the IQ bellcurves should know that they're contested by prominent evolutionary biologists, such as Stephen Gould.

I have more fundamental problems with the IQ and Race arguments, a good place to start being "If Asians really have an IQ bell curve that looks like that, how do you explain Vietnam, Indonesia, and Cambodia," Another good question to ask is about the nature of the test. It's well known that common IQ tests (including the ones used in the IQ and race arguments) include measurements of knowledge gained commensurate with age (i.e. they assume that anyone who has had x years of school must have a minimum of y knowledge). Yet it's widely acknowledged that most African Americans attend sub-standard schools, inherently biasing the tests. Finally, the most popular IQ test (the WISC) has been re-centered three times, in 1974, 1991, and 2003. However, the arguments about IQ and race are dependedn upon measurements that don't look at the most recent recenterings, and in some cases go back as far as the 1800s (specifically tests from that far back are used in The Bell Curve, the book most often associated with race-based IQ arguments). Given that IQ and childhood nutrition are heavily correlated, it shouldn't be any surprise that African Americans may not have scored as highly on a test administered in America in the 1800s as they would in a test administered after 1991, and yet post-1991 data is almost never used.

Besides, the point that is being missed here is the reality of demographics in America.

There are more than 4x the number of Caucasian Americans as there are Africa Americans (80% of the population is white vs. 15% Black).

This means that even when you take into account higher African American unemployment, and even if you entertain the idea of a lower racial IQ (which I think is wrong for the reasons listed above), it still wouldn't matter! There would still be MORE unemployed white people, and more white people with lower IQs!

This is just simple math, as the median of the African American "bell curve" would have to be *below* the bottom white quartile in order for there to be more blacks with low IQs than whites in America, which even if you accept the IQ arguments, it isn't (you can see the graph here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sketch-4race-transparent2.png ). And in order for there to be more unemployed blacks than whites, blacks would need to have an unemployment rate greater than 4x that of whites (which they don't, the actual figure is slightly more than 2x, you can see that here: http://www.bls(dot)gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm ).

Thus, even if unemployment or low IQs meant prison, then at most you would expect a rate of between 2x and 4x as many blacks in prison as whites. However, as Human Rights Watch has reported (here: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm#P167_28183) the actual figures are often as high as 11x or 12x the rate of incarceration.

Very clearly something does not add up, as controlling for both unemployment and alleged IQ disparity still would not explain the the sheer volume of blacks in prison.


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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #6460728 - 01/14/07 11:25 PM (17 years, 16 days ago)

yea, there is someting to say against that tho. While we are all AMericans, we don'tm the demographics are a a strange afair. Sub cultures and a poepl of similar economice standing generally share similar customs. HABI(tats) if you will. It is almost a na inarguable fact that the values handed down from elders to youth is poor mostly black communities may be against working and hoentsty. Life is hard in the hood.

please excuse any erors, I smoked weed for the first time in years just a minute ago. It may have an impact on my responses.

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Re: Too many blacks in prison? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6460747 - 01/14/07 11:37 PM (17 years, 16 days ago)

It sounds like you are having a very good day. :thumbup:

I'm on vacation after a few months of a lot of work, not even halfway through the vacation, and I've been smoking up as well, so the feeling must be similar. :cool:


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